Where are north at?

[The Gong]

 

[Kcrack]

The majority of our best 18 are in their mid 20's, we've had most of our top draft picks building for a few years.

People still can't seem to grasp the fact that Waite, Higgins, Dal Santo and co were picked up as free agents and we haven't traded any early picks since Scotts been coach (aside from Anderson last year which got us Clarke and Hibbert).

 

[Bomberblitzer]

People still can't seem to grasp the fact that Waite, Higgins, Dal Santo and co were picked up as free agents and we haven't traded any early picks since Scotts been coach (aside from Anderson last year which got us Clarke and Hibbert).

What have those early picks achieved thus far?

 

[Kcrack]

What have those early picks achieved thus far?

Football players I believe.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Football players I believe.

Lets not exaggerate too much...

 

[Pykie]

What have those early picks achieved thus far?

We've invested heavily in key position players in the last 2 years for this very change over.

 

[Sprout]

Fair point. Not watershed in that the players at the pointy end aren't all greats, but they are playing a large part in the relative successes. And there are a lot of them.

How those players are filtered out of the side and the list management in general over the next couple of years will be interesting.

It will be interesting.

We were both right. It's already gotten interesting.

 

[Bulldog1954]

We've invested heavily in key position players in the last 2 years for this very change over.

They will take time though, particularly as they haven't been exposed to senior football.

 

[jacko57]

Even given his preparation and professionalism off field would have been handy, especially if you're bringing in 5-6 kids this year.
Let alone he is quick and provides a outside run which North seem to need.

Good luck to the guy - he took time out of his training schedule to help Lachie Hunter and Nathan Hrovat out during their TAC u18 year.

That's the aspect that puzzles me. In general, I agree with the principle 'retire when people are thinking you could keep going, rather than when people are saying you stayed a year too long.' But given that Drew, Dal and Spud are also hanging up the boots, and we have a conspicuous lack of leg speed in the midfield, I think it's a mistake to cut Harvey.

 

[jacko57]

They will take time though, particularly as they haven't been exposed to senior football.

Waite, in particular, is taking time to live up to his full potential.

 

[Thats Wright]

We were both right. It's already gotten interesting.

Yes, it has.

Unusual to tell 4 key players a week before a final that they are finished.

Brad's going to need every ounce of his professional mediocrity and luck to survive another 18 months.

It's a strange situation when a coach decides when he's failed and simultaneously who's going to be part of the clubs long term future.

I think Brad misread the Harvey situation while keeping an eye on the the teams age average and his free-falling reputation.

Brayshaw will be gone next year and If Harvey went around again, the end of 2017 could see the club retiring both Harvey and Scott and starting a proper or necessary rebuild.

Scott has just enough credits in the bank to survive 2016 and his biggest threat to surviving next year was delaying a rebuild.

Harvey got thrown onto the grenade but he's a bit of a sideshow these days and it could just allow Scott to see out his contract.

 

[Kiama Chris]

You should try being a card-carrying member with Longmire, Clarkson and Simpson coaching lesser cultures.

I agree that their management of youth is deplorable.

The easy finals draws of late has swept this issue under the carpet.

There's an internal war against the youth at North partly in order to prove their plodder recruitment was justified.

Gibson has played 106 consecutive games since brought over from Box Hill. Around half at AFL standard. Zero emphasis on club foot skills and standards that stubbornly refuses to bring the club into the 21st century.

Nahas and Ray have continually stolen vital development time and the list goes on.
Brown dominated the finals series two years ago but was dropped round 1 because Scott was scared of the Crows.

Dumont dominated his first game at Geelong but was unfairly dropped or made sub every second week until flicked long term.

Wood was denied games for years with plenty of standout skills regularly on display.

Brad Scott delays or refuses to play the talented youth (injuries to senior types excluded) purely because he doesn't want to put his senior players positions in jeopardy.

Not only are they refused games, they are subtly refused a chance to shine in the AFL with their roles. You can just about guarantee a North young talent will not back up a good performance or kick more than 3 goals in a game.

It's actually a bit sinister and I'm sick of it. Keeping all the old boys/hack recruits in witness protection while the youth face a type of bullying and suppression.

It's weak and gives the coach a permanent excuse and sympathy from outsiders.

This suppression is partly why they won't fall as much as people suggest.

Frustrating club that is locked into 2 more years of 6-12. Scott will move on and the club will be in decent enough shape to have a crack with Ziebell, Cunnington, Brown, Wood, Clarke, Tarrant, McMillian, McDonald, Goldstein, Dumont, Turner, Garner etc.

Brad needs to start viewing the younger players as more than a threat to his mateship with senior players. It's limiting and selfish.

Wow! That's a pretty solid condemnation. One gets the feeling that both Scotts are a bit too close to "their boys" but the quality at Geelong means it doesn't show as much. Good luck.

 

[jacko57]

North Melbourne are the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. They have no Great War. No Great Depression. Their Great War’s a spiritual war… their Great Depression is their lives. They’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day they’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But they won’t. And they’re slowly learning that fact. And they’re very, very pissed off.

cool story, bro.

 

[Kcrack]

Lets not exaggerate too much...

Injury troll? Classy.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I'd probably have Collingwood around that mark. Treloar won't pull you out of hopelessness.
The experience Brad Scott got at Collingwood has really sealed his fate.

North got screwed during that period of coach availability. Unfortunately the Pies copped it harder and both sides need an overhaul.

Thread is about north.

On Collingwood, they are shit this year and will probably be shit next year. But Moore and Adams and Treloar are quality youngsters. North have Brown I recall.

It seems like the delisting of your champions proves that you need to rebuild.


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[Jade]

The majority of our best 18 are in their mid 20's, we've had most of our top draft picks building for a few years.

Most of your top draft picks are not very good.

 

[Conor Mckenna]

We've invested heavily in key position players in the last 2 years for this very change over.

Bit confused, could you please put names to these so called investments..I can't seem to see any on your list..

 

[Inferno]

Most of your top draft picks are not very good.

They've also barely played and by the time they've developed it'll be the current players in their mid-late 20's who get the tap on the shoulder two weeks out from finals

 

[Winter]

All four asked Scott to make their futures known before Round 23, so in the case that they were not being offered contracts for 2017 they could play their last game in North Melbourne colours, in Melbourne, knowing this.

Whether you agree with the decision or not, the timing was at the players request.

 

[Great8]

Don't see much wrong with what they have done, had a crack and it didn't quite come off now it's time for a few years of pain. Just hope for their sake the fans stay on board, after all the great work the club has done to clear its debt and become financially stable the last thing they need is to get back to the days of bugger all crowds.

 

[Thats Wright]

They've also barely played and by the time they've developed it'll be the current players in their mid-late 20's who get the tap on the shoulder two weeks out from finals

It all points to Scott being in over his head.

Very amateur managing of the list that Scott won't recover from.

They should've announced weeks ago that Donkeys like Ray, Nahas and Gibson were not going to be the club next year.

This would have allowed them to suggest the team is up for a renewal and put in the minds of Petrie, Dal Santo, Waite and Firrito that Brad is capable of making a hard decision or focusing on youth.

For Brad to file for divorce after years of never even having an argument is grounds for his sacking.

There must be a bit of cultural or image renewal with the Harvey culling but it doesn't make any sense as they recently re-signed culture killer Thomas.

Thomas has taken his arse kissing of Harvey to BFF levels this year and poor old Harvey has become another victim of the LT curse.

IMO Scott has been biding his time to get rid of Harvey and with the state of the list it seems a selfish decision that was poorly handled.

A smart rebuild at North would've seen Scott, Thomas, Gibson, Petrie, Firrito, Dal Santo, Ray and Nahas get the chop with Swallow playing VFL and Harvey going around 1 more year.

This treatment of a club legend for vague and unusual reasons is merely some misguided attempt at legacy from Brayshaw and lashing out from a desperate and weak coach.

 

[The Gong]

cool story, bro.

Not many people here have seen Fight Club. I don't know why I bother.

 

[Arathrawn]

North Melbourne are the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. They have no Great War. No Great Depression. Their Great War’s a spiritual war… their Great Depression is their lives. They’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day they’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But they won’t. And they’re slowly learning that fact. And they’re very, very pissed off.

You just quoted Fight Club....... Why?

This is quite possibly the dumbest post on BF.

 

[shintemaster]

They will take time though, particularly as they haven't been exposed to senior football.

Bolt of inspiration in this post.

I'll let the club know.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Bolt of inspiration in this post.

I'll let the club know.

What I was saying was that while North may have invested heavily in the last couple of seasons in key position players for this very moment, we have no idea whether they will be ready to step in next year. I know there have been injuries, but Scott doesn't exactly seem keen on giving young players much exposure to senior football.

But thanks for the feedback, in future I will try and make sure every post is an inspiring masterpiece like your's.