Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[krrzr]

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - Nick Murray - Changkuoth Jiath
Harry Sheezel - Jordan Butts - Jack Scrimshaw

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - Luke Davies-Uniacke

FORWARDLINE
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore
Darcy Fogarty - Nick Larkey - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Cam Zurhaar - James Worpel - Conor Nash - Riley Thilthorpe - Jy Simpkin

HAW - 10
ADE - 8
NOR - 5

POSITIONAL:
DEF - ADE 3
MID - HAW 4
FWD - ADE 3
INT - HAW 2


DEF - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
MID - HAW 4 NOR 1 ADE 1
FWD - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
INT - HAW 2 NOR 2 ADE 1

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc!

It was quite hard, there's a few 25 year olds, but it's interesting if you say you 100% don't, and who comes in.

The older boys were Worpel, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar.

I think It's more interesting if you remove 24-25y/o, Also helps add some stiff players, I'll include McKay and Lewis because KPP but

Michalanney, McKay, Worrell
Sheezel, Murray, Jiath

Soligo, Day, Jones
Reeves, LDU, Newcombe

Rachele, Lewis, Moore,
Larkey, Fogarty, Rankine

Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Berry, Ward

Adelaide - 11
Hawthorn - 7
North Melbourne - 4

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I think It's more interesting if you remove 24-25y/o, Also helps add some stiff players, I'll include McKay and Lewis because KPP but

Michalanney, McKay, Worrell
Sheezel, Murray, Jiath

Soligo, Day, Jones
Reeves, LDU, Newcombe

Rachele, Lewis, Moore,
Larkey, Fogarty, Rankine

Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Berry, Ward

Adelaide - 11
Hawthorn - 7
North Melbourne - 4

It’s quite difficult because Hawthorn have a lot of talent range, as seen here under 23? But a fair few at 24 and then that lot under which is all fairly new and or hasn’t had the exposure.

Weddle, MacKenzie, Butler, Seamus etc

Btw you include McKay but he’s 26

I’d have Connor MacDonald in this side if it’s Under 23 as he’s on a similar level to Pedlar and Berry for production so far.

 

[krrzr]

It’s quite difficult because Hawthorn have a lot of talent range, as seen here under 23? But a fair few at 24 and then that lot under which is all fairly new and or hasn’t had the exposure.

Weddle, Butler, Seamus etc

Btw you include McKay but he’s 26

McKay is 25 with a late December birthday, Included him because KPP (If you exclude him it would probably be for Butts)

Rest (apart from Lewis) Should be 23 or under

 

[Dewyyyyy]

McKay is 25 with a late December birthday, Included him because KPP (If you exclude him it would probably be for Butts)

Rest (apart from Lewis) Should be 23 or under

I’d have Connor MacDonald in this side if it’s Under 23 as he’s on a similar level to Pedlar and Berry for production so far.

Although it’s hard to judge whether it’s potential, production, both? And what is the subjective opinion etc

 

[Burtman]

I think It's more interesting if you remove 24-25y/o, Also helps add some stiff players, I'll include McKay and Lewis because KPP but

Michalanney, McKay, Worrell
Sheezel, Murray, Jiath

Soligo, Day, Jones
Reeves, LDU, Newcombe

Rachele, Lewis, Moore,
Larkey, Fogarty, Rankine

Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Berry, Ward

Adelaide - 11
Hawthorn - 7
North Melbourne - 4

Josh worrell has done well to make the team after 5 games in 4 years lol

 

[Nutjob]

Already been 7 years for North, you think they're closer?

It hasn’t been 7 years for North. They’re into their 4th year of a rebuild.


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[Mr MysteryGuest]

Josh worrell has done well to make the team after 5 games in 4 years lol

I wouldn’t have him in right now but is considered best 22 but is on the way back from injury

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Probably one of the worst takes I’ve seen in this thread.

No club is that far away from finals.

Carlton says high

 

[hawkman]

Carlton says high

3 rebuilds later. If you haven't made finals after 5 years of rebuilding there has been a big failure somewhere in there.
Look at Adelaide after 2020. I'm sure there were plenty of people saying they are at least 5 years from finals. Now, something will have gone very wrong if they haven't played finals by 2025

Unless you mess it up within 5 years of starting a rebuild you should be playing finals

 

[krrzr]

Josh worrell has done well to make the team after 5 games in 4 years lol

5 games in 3 years, This is his 4th and he has been injured

Took awhile for him to get a game because he plays a similar role to Doedee, But once he got a look in he looked fantastic and forced us to play both, Would comfortably be in our best 22 if fit

And It's not like he is in there and someone more deserving isn't ... Unless I'm forgetting someone?

 

[HeHateMe]

And It's not like he is in there and someone more deserving isn't ... Unless I'm forgetting someone?

In this case probably DGB has a better claim right now as a 3td tall BP.

Worell is in a similar situation as say a Josh Morris for us who shows a bit in the backline when in the team but injury interrupted.

 

[krrzr]

In this case probably DGB has a better claim right now as a 3td tall BP.

Don't make me pull up the h2h statistics

 

[Blackhawk42]

Already been 7 years for North, you think they're closer?

Of course some teams take 7 years. There are plenty who take longer. However, from a demographic point of point if you are starting from scratch, no side is ever that far away. GWS from their first game to their first top 4 finish is the perfect example.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Of course some teams take 7 years. There are plenty who take longer. However, from a demographic point of point if you are starting from scratch, no side is ever that far away. GWS from their first game to their first top 4 finish is the perfect example.

They got the ultimate leg up and also started assembling their list two years before entering the comp.

 

[FairKouta]

Hawks going to merge again

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

3 rebuilds later. If you haven't made finals after 5 years of rebuilding there has been a big failure somewhere in there.
Look at Adelaide after 2020. I'm sure there were plenty of people saying they are at least 5 years from finals. Now, something will have gone very wrong if they haven't played finals by 2025

Unless you mess it up within 5 years of starting a rebuild you should be playing finals

The sides who haven’t been able to turn things around quickly have missed at the pointy end of the draft.

 

[VinnieB]

Gunston wasn’t our number 1 in 2018, he played the third tall role still, but he was someone who was really smart with his leads, and Mitchell dominating first possession so often it was coming down more often without as much competition. Roughy played FF still and Gunston would rotate CHF/HFF.

Greene has shown plenty of signs to be similar, his leap and marking at the highest point is top notch, we haven’t seen everything from him yet but there’s a lot of similarities in their games, from their ground ball gets, their smarts, workrate, leading patterns and accurate kicking.

Fergus wouldn’t be 75kg anymore.

However.

Weight doesn’t always = strength, Will Day is not that heavy but has shown plenty of natural strength with his core and tackling.

Think it’s a little early to suggest Greene isn’t at all capable of doing X

But he has shown a fair amount of similarities.

I stand by my view Fergus Greene will be delisted within 24 months and would not get a game at any other AFL club.

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

I stand by my view Fergus Greene will be delisted within 24 months and would not get a game at any other AFL club.

At least half the Hawthorn side wouldn’t get a game at another club on last nights effort.

That’s being generous.

 

[HairyO]

Greene isnt youth. He turns 26 later this year.

Youth has gone from under 22, to up to 22 then up to 23, and now up to 26 ?

Thread really should reboot back to under 22. Meaning under 22 at the end of the season not the start.

Just because the AFL doesnt know what words mean doesnt mean we should follow.

 

[VinnieB]

Greene isnt youth. He turns 26 later this year.

Youth has gone from under 22, to up to 22 then up to 23, and now up to 26 ?

Thread really should reboot back to under 22. Meaning under 22 at the end of the season not the start.

Just because the AFL doesnt know what words mean doesnt mean we should follow.

This should be reset each year.
I don't understand why Adelaide, who look like a chance to play finals, are included in this conversation. They have moved well ahead, and importnatly, have a fairly good spread of youth.

Maybe is should be North, Hawthorn and West Coast. Hopefully can throw Richmond in the list in 2024.

 

[peetoo]

This should be reset each year.
I don't understand why Adelaide, who look like a chance to play finals, are included in this conversation. They have moved well ahead, and importnatly, have a fairly good spread of youth.

Maybe is should be North, Hawthorn and West Coast. Hopefully can throw Richmond in the list in 2024.

Social media threads goin multi year. Not a great idea

 

[Cleric]

This should be reset each year.
I don't understand why Adelaide, who look like a chance to play finals, are included in this conversation. They have moved well ahead, and importnatly, have a fairly good spread of youth.

Maybe is should be North, Hawthorn and West Coast. Hopefully can throw Richmond in the list in 2024.

Because at the time I wrote it Adelaide was in the same position as the other two.
Now it appears that the question has been answered, and the answer was Adelaide. (Jk)
I think North and Adelaide have been rebuilding around the same time, and Hawthorn put it off a year longer than they should have.

 

[SSSSSS]

Because at the time I wrote it Adelaide was in the same position as the other two.
Now it appears that the question has been answered, and the answer was Adelaide. (Jk)
I think North and Adelaide have been rebuilding around the same time, and Hawthorn put it off a year longer than they should have.

Seems like North is back to square 1 to be fair. Clarko will clean out a lot.

Pretty sad state of affairs.

 

[Golumless]

This should be reset each year.
I don't understand why Adelaide, who look like a chance to play finals, are included in this conversation. They have moved well ahead, and importnatly, have a fairly good spread of youth.

Maybe is should be North, Hawthorn and West Coast. Hopefully can throw Richmond in the list in 2024.

At this point we're just an aspirational poster for those two. Work hard and you might end up as talented and good as Adelaide.

 

[Crow till I die]

Seems like North is back to square 1 to be fair. Clarko will clean out a lot.

Pretty sad state of affairs.

Whilst right now it looks pretty bleak, I don't agree with this moving forward because north have been loading up with top end youngsters and are on track to add a few more (maybe trade in a good player as they have some good draft capital)..if you look at the raw talent, its there and more will be coming in, they just need to now get games into them and Clarkson needs to make sure he sets a game plan up that will stand up and that the youngsters can buy into.

Putting my neck out on a limb here but I could see north really turning it around in the next 1 -2 seasons and pushing for finals then when they get good games into the kids