Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[Nutjob]

Shame for North and Hawks fans that West Coast are comfortably the worst side in the comp and will get Harley Reid.

West coast will split it for multiple picks.


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[Bradkli]

West coast will split it for multiple picks.


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Melbourne have two first round picks this season, including freo’s which will be a top 5 pick.. they can send those two picks plus their first next year. The eagles would be made not to take that.

Imagine adding Harley to a midfield with Oliver. Petrecca. Viney. Brayshaw.

 

[HairyO]

In the context of this thread where we’re talking about youth, one week of bad goal kicking from a player who has a career goal kicking percentage of 61% is not all that relevant.

We need to work on our goal kicking no doubt, but you’re labelling our young players performance as “complete garbage”, when in reality most of them performed very well across most aspects of the game, against arguably the premiership favourites.

It wasnt just the accuracy. There were half a dozen times when they blazed away at goals burning a team mate who was open and in a much better position. Incredibly selfish football.

 

[Soggy2112]

It wasnt just the accuracy. There were half a dozen times when they blazed away at goals burning a team mate who was open and in a much better position. Incredibly selfish football.

Which shots are you referring to? I remember one where Fog should’ve passed to Walker but am struggling to recall any other examples of “selfish football”.

 

[theiaofseed]

If it's a dozen then it'll be pretty remarkable.

Lewis, Newcombe, Worpel, Reeves, Jiath, Nash, Day, Moore, Scrimshaw, Ward, Mackenzie, MacDonald, Brockman, Weddle will be all on the list in 8 years time.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Lewis, Newcombe, Worpel, Reeves, Jiath, Nash, Day, Moore, Scrimshaw, Ward, Mackenzie, MacDonald, Brockman, Weddle will be all on the list in 8 years time.

Gl

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Maybe, but I gave it a crack anyway...

FB: Michalanney, Logue, Jiath
HB: Sheezel, Butts, Scrimshaw
C: Soligo, Day, Nash
HF: Rachele, Lewis, Moore
FF: Fogarty, Larkey, Rankine
Foll: Reeves, LDU, Newcombe
Int: Thilthorpe, Zurhaar, Pedlar, Morrison

I think Logue is a bit older than the other guys but couldn't think of who else could be the FB.

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - Nick Murray - Changkuoth Jiath
Harry Sheezel - Jordan Butts - Jack Scrimshaw

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - Luke Davies-Uniacke

FORWARDLINE
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore
Darcy Fogarty - Nick Larkey - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Cam Zurhaar - James Worpel - Conor Nash - Riley Thilthorpe - Jy Simpkin

HAW - 10
ADE - 8
NOR - 5

POSITIONAL:
DEF - ADE 3
MID - HAW 4
FWD - ADE 3
INT - HAW 2


DEF - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
MID - HAW 4 NOR 1 ADE 1
FWD - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
INT - HAW 2 NOR 2 ADE 1

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc!

It was quite hard, there's a few 25 year olds, but it's interesting if you say you 100% don't, and who comes in.

The older boys were Worpel, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar.

 

[SSSSSS]

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - Nick Murray - Changkuoth Jiath
Harry Sheezel - Jordan Butts - Jack Scrimshaw

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - Luke Davies-Uniacke

FORWARDLINE
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore
Darcy Fogarty - Nick Larkey - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Cam Zurhaar - James Worpel - Conor Nash - Riley Thilthorpe - Jy Simpkin

HAW - 10
ADE - 8
NOR - 5

POSITIONAL:
DEF - ADE 3
MID - HAW 4
FWD - ADE 3
INT - HAW 2


DEF - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
MID - HAW 4 NOR 1 ADE 1
FWD - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
INT - HAW 2 NOR 2 ADE 1

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc!

It was quite hard, there's a few 25 year olds, but it's interesting if you say you 100% don't, and who comes in.

The older boys were Worpel, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar.

Fogarty full forward. Larkey in the pocket.

Fogarty actually competes aerially rather than looking for cheapies out the back.

Soligo for Nash. I'm a big Nash fan but think Soligo is picked ahead of him for now unless Nash can back up his recent up tick in form for another 8-10 games. (nevermind just saw Soligo listed on the field!)

 

[Dewyyyyy]

The last few weeks have been an improvement on the first few weeks but the fact is we have won 2 of our last 11 games. Those wins have been against Gold Coast and north Melbourne in Tassie. In those 11 games we have kicked over 80+ points once and have averaged 64 points a game.

Our forward line and back line are bottom 3 in the comp..I’m aware mitch Lewis has been injured and will make a difference but he has next to no help & that’s not changing for another 2-3 years until Max Ramsden develops .

It’s the same is the back line. Sam Frost is currently our best defender. He would struggle to get a game at any other club. James Sicily is not a key defender. James Blanck and Denver Grainger-Barras are stuck at box hill.

We will not play finals until we have another quality key forward and two quality key defenders.

Surprisingly, our midfield that was an embarrassment the previous three seasons has been fantastic this season and will only get better.

James Sicily is a key defender, his contested defensive loss % is elite, it's 14.3, playing as a key defender, rotating with Sam Frost, Josh Weddle (1 game) and DGB (1 game) aswell as Blanck in the first two.

Forwardline looks good, just need another KPF, whether it's Ramsden, Jeka, idk yet, Kosi is gone i would've thought. Greene does a good enough job there butt we need him to develop his game as a third tall and how that'll work at AFL level, as it'll be what he plays once we are starting to compete, if he makes that step.

"Two quality key defenders" is a huge over the top comment, DGB has shown enough that he will be a player, just need patience, he'll be a very good CHB, we have Will McCabe who is coming this year, CHF or key defender & Blanck has the tools to be a key defender and has been super impressive both last year in his first year, and in the VFL since finding confidence and form.

Agree with last comment!

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Fogarty full forward. Larkey in the pocket.

Fogarty actually competes aerially rather than looking for cheapies out the back.

Soligo for Nash. I'm a big Nash fan but think Soligo is picked ahead of him for now unless Nash can back up his recent up tick in form for another 8-10 games. (nevermind just saw Soligo listed on the field!)

Larkey is better suited to being the bloke in the goal square, he just doesn't do enough up the ground, and he's better deeper imo, Fogarty has more versatility being in the pocket where he can decide when to stay deep or go higher.

And yes Soligo on field! I didn't want Nash on a wing so bench suits, and the two wingers i picked aren't going to be wingers but have and can play it well enough.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Melbourne have two first round picks this season, including freo’s which will be a top 5 pick.. they can send those two picks plus their first next year. The eagles would be made not to take that.

Imagine adding Harley to a midfield with Oliver. Petrecca. Viney. Brayshaw.

I'd be speechless, as i am writing this comment about how ****ing untruly brutal that'd be, best midfield ever by far if it eventuates.

 

[SSSSSS]

Larkey is better suited to being the bloke in the goal square, he just doesn't do enough up the ground, and he's better deeper imo, Fogarty has more versatility being in the pocket where he can decide when to stay deep or go higher.

And yes Soligo on field! I didn't want Nash on a wing so bench suits, and the two wingers i picked aren't going to be wingers but have and can play it well enough.

Pick Jones if you want someone on a wing. Ward can fight it out with Nash for a spot on the bench.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Pick Jones if you want someone on a wing. Ward can fight it out with Nash for a spot on the bench.

Was close to it, but Ward has played a fair amount of time on the wing, don't think he ever starts HF, doesn't play HB, he's either starting wing or midfield and his CBAs are rarely above 10, so he's a winger imo, Soligo has a similar role as someone who starts HF or wing and gets 7-10 CBAs.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - Nick Murray - Changkuoth Jiath
Harry Sheezel - Jordan Butts - Jack Scrimshaw

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - Luke Davies-Uniacke

FORWARDLINE
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore
Darcy Fogarty - Nick Larkey - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Cam Zurhaar - James Worpel - Conor Nash - Riley Thilthorpe - Jy Simpkin

HAW - 10
ADE - 8
NOR - 5

POSITIONAL:
DEF - ADE 3
MID - HAW 4
FWD - ADE 3
INT - HAW 2


DEF - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
MID - HAW 4 NOR 1 ADE 1
FWD - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
INT - HAW 2 NOR 2 ADE 1

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc!

It was quite hard, there's a few 25 year olds, but it's interesting if you say you 100% don't, and who comes in.

The older boys were Worpel, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar.

Scrimshaw lucky to be in there tbh but he’s probably about with the other hbf contenders.

Bench seems a bit unbalanced

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Scrimshaw lucky to be in there tbh but he’s probably about with the other hbf contenders.

Bench seems a bit unbalanced

Scrimshaw is at his best an absolute lock in that D50, one of the first picked. Struggling with an injury atm which is why he's played sub, he'll be back in as soon as it's 100%, his game against North was a good example, 25 @ 88% (15 kicks 7 intercepts 1 goal 8 score inv 9 marks 1 cont 4 r50 6 1%).

Bench is unbalanced, but it's hard to just put someone in for pure positional reasons, especially considering it'd be an absolute uproar if someone like Simpkin wasn't named at all, if Zurhaar wasn't included and instead someone like Morrison was the sub (someone who can do a little bit of everything) and someone like Jones came in and can play wing/hb.

 

[Blackhawk42]

In the context of this thread where we’re talking about youth, one week of bad goal kicking from a player who has a career goal kicking percentage of 61% is not all that relevant.

We need to work on our goal kicking no doubt, but you’re labelling our young players performance as “complete garbage”, when in reality most of them performed very well across most aspects of the game, against arguably the premiership favourites.

I've never hated a player more than Rankine last night when he missed that goal from 15 metres out on the run under no pressure.

Just HAD to kick a goal from outside the boundary line last week to help sink us late.

 

[PrinceCharles]

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - Nick Murray - Changkuoth Jiath
Harry Sheezel - Jordan Butts - Jack Scrimshaw

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - Luke Davies-Uniacke

FORWARDLINE
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore
Darcy Fogarty - Nick Larkey - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Cam Zurhaar - James Worpel - Conor Nash - Riley Thilthorpe - Jy Simpkin

HAW - 10
ADE - 8
NOR - 5

POSITIONAL:
DEF - ADE 3
MID - HAW 4
FWD - ADE 3
INT - HAW 2


DEF - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
MID - HAW 4 NOR 1 ADE 1
FWD - ADE 3 HAW 2 NOR 1
INT - HAW 2 NOR 2 ADE 1

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc!

It was quite hard, there's a few 25 year olds, but it's interesting if you say you 100% don't, and who comes in.

The older boys were Worpel, Simpkin, Larkey, Zurhaar.

Mostly 24 year olds for the Hawks there, they'd want to improve quickly or they'll miss their prime.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Mostly 24 year olds for the Hawks there, they'd want to improve quickly or they'll miss their prime.

Its not a great exercise as majority of the Hawks higher draft picks and younger are 18-20 who arn't better then the other sides 22-23 year olds currently in their development, not saying they will all be stars, but its hard to compare (Mckenzie, Weddle, Brockman, Butler, DGB, Stephens, Macdonald)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Can't see North or Hawks contending for 6-7 years.

Probably one of the worst takes I’ve seen in this thread.

No club is that far away from finals.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Probably one of the worst takes I’ve seen in this thread.

No club is that far away from finals.

Bookmarked for 6-7 years from now.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bookmarked for 6-7 years from now.

Indeed.

 

[VinnieB]

Lewis, Newcombe, Worpel, Reeves, Jiath, Nash, Day, Moore, Scrimshaw, Ward, Mackenzie, MacDonald, Brockman, Weddle will be all on the list in 8 years time.

In 8 years these guys will be 32/33 yr olds.
You should focus on 5 years.

 

[VinnieB]

Can't see North or Hawks contending for 6-7 years.

They aren't Carlton.

 

[PrinceCharles]

They aren't Carlton.

Already been 7 years for North, you think they're closer?

 

[VinnieB]

Already been 7 years for North, you think they're closer?

They are just shit. It's a pity your takeover of them got knocked on its head.