Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[Strapping Young Lad]

Still think Amon, Meek & Stephens are a better pick-up than Rankine?

Yet again with the out of context argument.

Hawks brought in 3 players and 2 first rounders V Crows bringing in Rankine and Michalanney.

And yes, I’d do that again and again.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol, still think Amon is an inside midfielder like you claimed...

Seriously, if you’re just going to talk shit, stop replying to me. It did not happen.

 

[krrzr]

Yet again with the out of context argument.

Hawks brought in 3 players and 2 first rounders V Crows bringing in Rankine alone.

And yes, I’d do that again and again.

Michalanney is a first rounder drafted before Weddle btw

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yet again with the out of context argument.

Hawks brought in 3 players and 2 first rounders V Crows bringing in Rankine alone.

And yes, I’d do that again and again.

Missed where the Crows brought in Michalanney & few other kids too (Dowling & Bond).

Comfortable that our ins are far better quality.

... & we banked the Roos future 2nd rounder.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Seriously, if you’re just going to talk s**t, stop replying to me. It did not happen.

There are countless posts where you were creaming yourself about Amon.

They are there for everyone to read.

 

[Sphynx]

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Eek.

The virgin captain and number 1 ball winner with the 6% centre clearance per CBA v the Chad Irish import defensive mid with the 9% centre clearance per CBA.

Even using the most embarrassing cherry picked statistic and North still copping the Ls.

You seem to be under the illusion I actually rate Simpkin, because you keep raising him.

I doubt he is even in our starting midfield rotation in a few seasons.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

There are countless posts where you were creaming yourself about Amon.

They are there for everyone to read.

No, there are countless posts from me pointing out to you that our midfield would be changed with new players to come into it, and that Amon took CBA’s at Port which you declared he had not. You were wrong, and now you depict the argument to be about something else.







When you were shown his CBA numbers, YOU decided to make it about whether he was inside mid. Not me. You.

Fixture - Who finishes last in 2023?

2 in the last 34 years, so we’ve actually won less than our fair share over that time… That’s some pretty ancient history you’re going by there! Who has won the most spoons in the AFL era? EDIT just had a look it's the Blues with four. Add them to the poll?

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[Kane McGoodwin]

No, there are countless posts from me pointing out to you that our midfield would be changed with new players to come into it, and that Amon took CBA’s at Port which you declared he had not. You were wrong, and now you depict the argument to be about something else.

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When you were shown his CBA numbers, YOU decided to make it about whether he was inside mid. Not me. You.
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Fixture - Who finishes last in 2023?

2 in the last 34 years, so we’ve actually won less than our fair share over that time… That’s some pretty ancient history you’re going by there! Who has won the most spoons in the AFL era? EDIT just had a look it's the Blues with four. Add them to the poll?

www.bigfooty.com

So you still think Amon is an inside midfielder because he attends the occasional centre bounce.

Funny stuff.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So you still think Amon is an inside midfielder because he attends the occasional centre bounce.

Funny stuff.

You're quite literally the only person who mentioned him being an inside mid, but you already know that.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You're quite literally the only person who mentioned him being an inside mid, but you already know that.

You were the one who brought him up in the 1st place as making a difference to your centre square set-ups with the loss of Mitchell & JOM... hence I replied he is an outside midfielder...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You were the one who brought him up in the 1st place as making a difference to your centre square set-ups with the loss of Mitchell & JOM... hence I replied he is an outside midfielder...

No, you replied that he didn't take any CBA's at Port, after I declared that we had Nash, Ward, MacKenzie, Amon and others who would take CBA's - not just Worpel and Newcombe. The posts are there at the link.

You were wrong, and now you're choosing to depict the argument as something else entirely.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No, you replied that he didn't take any CBA's at Port, after I declared that we had Nash, Ward, MacKenzie, Amon and others who would take CBA's - not just Worpel and Newcombe. The posts are there at the link.

You were wrong, and now you're choosing to depict the argument as something else entirely.

So how many CBA's is Amon attending for the Hawks...

Edit - 2.3%... or he is attending 1 in 43 CBA'S. Yeah, hardly significant... as expected for an outside midfielder.

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[Dewyyyyy]

So how many CBA's is Amon attending for the Hawks...

Edit - 2.3%... or he is attending 1 in 43 CBA'S. Yeah, hardly significant... as expected for an outside midfielder.

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It’s irrelevant because

Our midfield is better than yours, it’s younger & the whole argument started because you and others jumped on the Jaeger/Mitchell gone = Hawks midfield

Sucks having a talented midfield with plenty of upside.

 

[SSSSSS]

You seem to be under the illusion I actually rate Simpkin, because you keep raising him.

I doubt he is even in our starting midfield rotation in a few seasons.

Made (co)-Captain and on a 5 year deal on good coin. Can't really play a second position.

You're kidding if you think he isn't a massive part of your starting midfield for the foreseeable future. The coaching staff obviously rate him.

 

[Sphynx]

Made (co)-Captain and on a 5 year deal on good coin. Can't really play a second position.

You're kidding if you think he isn't a massive part of your starting midfield for the foreseeable future.

I can, quite easily.

He's already playing more half forward this season that he has the last 4-5 years combined.

LDU, Phillips and Wardlaw will all be susbstantially better than him.

Sheezel and Thomas too.

There's 5 I have reeled off before even talking about the likes of Scott, Powell, Ford and Goaters potential around the middle of the ground positions and also excluding the fact someone like Duursma could be at North after the draft.

Simpkin will be a half forward down the track imo.

I guess it's just an illustration of the depth of talent we have in that position.

 

[SSSSSS]

I can, quite easily.

He's already playing more half forward this season that he has the last 4-5 years combined.

LDU, Phillips and Wardlaw will all be susbstantially better than him.

Sheezel and Thomas too.

There's 5 I have reeled off before even talking about the likes of Scott, Powell, Ford and Goaters potential around the middle of the ground positions and also excluding the fact someone like Duursma could be at North after the draft.

Simpkin will be a half forward down the track imo.

I guess it's just an illustration of the depth of talent we have in that position.

Wow. 5 years of a slow, small half forward that doesn't hit the scoreboard and isn't particularly damaging with disposal.

So he's basically a worse version of 2022 Jaeger O'Meara until 2029.

More concerning that I had originally thought.

Also big LOL to Scott.

 

[Sphynx]

Wow. 5 years of a slow, small half forward that doesn't hit the scoreboard and isn't particularly damaging with disposal.

So he's basically a worse version of 2022 Jaeger O'Meara until 2029.

More concerning that I had originally thought.

Also big LOL to Scott.

Yeah, poor us.

Better than a 32 year old Karl Amon on $750k per year though I suppose.

 

[krrzr]

It’s irrelevant because

Our midfield is better than yours, it’s younger & the whole argument started because you and others jumped on the Jaeger/Mitchell gone = Hawks midfield

Sucks having a talented midfield with plenty of upside.

It's really not, Our midfield has Dawson and Laird in it

 

[Dewyyyyy]

It's really not, Our midfield has Dawson and Laird in it

Cool, what's that got to do with youth?

Because that's the thread right? and talking about Amon was so not the right thing?

You fell into the trap..



Youthfully, our midfield is much better, it isn't a debate either.

In general you could make a case for either, ours is performing super well.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Yeah, poor us.

Better than a 32 year old Karl Amon on $750k per year though I suppose.

650k* (or 600k i cant remember)

+ Amon isn't 32, he will be be in like 5 years, but by then we're competing for flags and he'll be a beautiful compliment to our side

 

[SSSSSS]

Yeah, poor us.

Better than a 32 year old Karl Amon on $750k per year though I suppose.

LOL 650k a year front ended for a decent winger. I'd happily pay 650k a year for Karl Amon instead of 750k+ for a worse O'Meara LOL. But ultimately irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Hawthorn are currently 13th for clearances differential but 2nd for centre clearances.
Hawthorn are 6th for the entire season on contested possession differential.

Hawthorn are unsurprisingly a huge gap on second for bounces differential aswell as bounces per game & totals.

Totals and averages they are ahead of Essendon, who for totals have 99 bounces. Hawthorn sit at 131.

Over the last month in particular. (Stat prior to the Gold Coast game, so slightly off)

The Hawks have been the Number 1 scoring team in the league, Rank Second for turnover score differential and Fourth from clearance score differential. Hawthorn are also the Number 1 contested possessions side in the league and the highest-ranked team in terms of efficient ball movement from defensive 50 to offensive 50.

 

[krrzr]

Cool, what's that got to do with youth?

Because that's the thread right? and talking about Amon was so not the right thing?

You fell into the trap..



Youthfully, our midfield is much better, it isn't a debate either.

In general you could make a case for either, ours is performing super well.

Lol, You guys are the ones who made this about Amon v Rankine, And now comparing the midfield as an entirety

Our midfield youth is much younger than yours, I don't see any reason why players like Rachele/Pedlar/Soligo couldn't surpass your midfield once given the same opportunity / reached the same amount of games / same age, ect

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Lol, You guys are the ones who made this about Amon v Rankine, And now comparing the midfield as an entirety

Our midfield youth is much younger than yours, I don't see any reason why players like Rachele/Pedlar/Soligo couldn't surpass your midfield once given the same opportunity / reached the same amount of games / same age, ect

I wasn't apart of that Krrzr. So i have no idea, but from reading it was never about Amon & Rankine. Rather Rankine and the off-season moves Hawthorn made as a whole.

Rachele/Pedlar/Soligo are good.

We have
MacKenzie/Ward/MacDonald who are same/similar ages.

The difference is we have performing midfielders who are either slightly older or similar ages ^ in Day, Newcombe in particular but also Nash/Worpel (24).

Our midfield youth is a range from teens to 23/24 and it's our whole midfield, they're performing as good if not better than Adelaides this season which is heavily reliant on Dawson, Laird and ROB as ruck. But also plenty of involvement from Sloane & Keays.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I wasn't apart of that Krrzr. So i have no idea, but from reading it was never about Amon & Rankine. Rather Rankine and the off-season moves Hawthorn made as a whole.

Rachele/Pedlar/Soligo are good.

We have
MacKenzie/Ward/MacDonald who are same/similar ages.

The difference is we have performing midfielders who are either slightly older or similar ages ^ in Day, Newcombe in particular but also Nash/Worpel (24).

Our midfield youth is a range from teens to 23/24 and it's our whole midfield, they're performing as good if not better than Adelaides this season which is heavily reliant on Dawson, Laird and ROB as ruck. But also plenty of involvement from Sloane & Keays.

For the whole.

Hawthorn are currently 13th for clearances differential (-1.1) but 2nd for centre clearances.
Adelaide are 15th for clearances differential (-2.6) are also 15th for centre clearances (-0.6)


Hawthorn are 6th for the entire season on contested possession differential. (+2.9)
Adelaide are 9th for contested possession differential (+0.9)

Hawthorn were 4th for clearances but 18th for scores from clearance To 8th for clearances and 4th for scores from clearance. (Stat from 30/5/23) the scores from clearances is similar.

So...

Better performing midfield group (clearances, contested ball & other stats showing Hawthorn were damaging especially recently with ball use)

An overall younger group, with 3 quality mids who aren't getting midfield time but also having 3 ish other midfielders (young and performing at high quality) + depth in the VFL dominating

Hawthorn's midfield group is superior in a general & youth sense.

Adelaide have a quality forwardline, in general especially, very good in a youth POV aswell. But Tex is doing alot for that forward 50. Backline is good but again having a fair few notable older players or experienced players.

It's a thread about youth, Adelaide's youth isn't as good as Hawthorns, but it doesn't need to be. They're competing with a good gameplan, and they can just try pick and choose youth to replace their elder heads, the depth is the worry and the possible sustained success.