Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[Kane McGoodwin]

My attempt at a Best 23 Youth for ADE/HAW/NOR

(23 & under (24 for KPP)

BACKLINE
Max Michalanney - James Blanck - Josh Weddle
Harry Sheezel - Nick Murray - Seamus Mitchell

MIDFIELD
Jake Soligo - Will Day - Josh Ward
Ned Reeves - Jai Newcombe - George Wardlaw

FORWARDLINE
Tarryn Thomas - Darcy Fogarty - Dylan Moore
Josh Rachele - Mitch Lewis - Izak Rankine

INTERCHANGE
Tyler Brockman - Chayce Jones - Luke Pedlar - Jack Scrimshaw - Will Phillips (sub)

EMERGENCIES
Riley Thilthorpe - Connor MacDonald - Cam MacKenzie - Sam Butler - Bailey Scott - Josh Worrell - Jordan Butts

THOSE WHO JUST MISSED OUT (AGE)
Changkuoth Jiath (24 GEN DEF) - Luke Davies-Uniacke (24 MID) - Cam Zurhaar (25 GEN FWD) - Nick Larkey (KPF 25)

Happy to hear from everyone about who should be in, who shouldn't, etc! (TAKE TWO)

HAWTHORN
Hawthorn have 3 defenders in Blanck, Weddle & Seamus Mitchell. 4 midfielders including the ruck. Reeves, Ward, Day & Newcombe. 2 forwards in Moore & Lewis and 2 on the bench with Brockman and Scrimshaw.
Total: 11
ADELAIDE
Adelaide have 2 defenders, in Michalanney & Nick Murray. 1 midfielder in Jake Soligo. 3 forwards with Fogarty, Rachele & Rankine. 2 on the bench in Jones & Pedlar.
Total: 8
NORTH
North have 1 defender in Harry Sheezel, 1 midfielder in George Wardlaw, 1 forward in Tarryn Thomas & 1 sub on the bench in Will Phillips
Total: 4

My attempt...

B: Michalanney, Butts, Worrell
HB: Sheezel, Murray, Day
C: Soligo, Wardlaw, Scott
HF: Pedlar, Fogarty, Thomas
F: Moore, Lewis, Rankine
R: Reeves, Rachele, Newcombe
I: Weddle, Phillips, Brockman, Thilthorpe

I'm sure there is someone obvious I have missed.

Edit - Brockman in for LDU who is apparently too old.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And can’t take a mark. And you lost the clearances with such a domination. And Carlton played with no ruckman. But yeah, great player….
So good he was pulled from the ground.

Hawthorn were +35 for hitouts today. For first possessions they were -11. Carlton's bigger bodies simply took control at the stoppages and read the taps,

 

[VinnieB]

He's a 210cm baby giraffe, so if you expect him to have peaked it once again says more about you than anything else.

At 210cm I expect him to be able to take a mark.
Particularly against Young and Silvagni today.
But yeah almost 80% of games he has taken only 1 mark or lower.

 

[VinnieB]

Hawthorn were +35 for hitouts today. For first possessions they were -11. Carlton's bigger bodies simply took control at the stoppages and read the taps,

So either your midfield was killed today or he just handed it to the Blues.
And he was subbed relatively early for all his domination…..

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Stats are really similar besides the fact Blanck is playing in an overall worse side and has more genuinely noticeable traits as a key defender I don’t think Butts has. Closing speed being a big one.

But here are the stats:
2.5 1on1 losing 25.7% of them. 4.7 spoils.
2.9 1on1 losing 26.9% of them. 5 spoils.

It’s almost identical, but with Butts being in the system longer, more experienced, in a better team. With “my opinion” I have Blanck ahead because when you look at how good they are talent wise, Blanck has clear strengths that benefit him as a defender. Closing speed & reading of the play (ability to KILL the ball with spoiling)

Once again it’s easier for all three of you, Kane McGoodwin & 1990crow to nitpick at me for my side, without actually making one yourselves.

Lol, do know football?

Find me a non-Hawks supporter who seriously thinks Blanck is a better footballer than either Butts, Murray or Worrell.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

At 210cm I expect him to be able to take a mark.
Particularly against Young and Silvagni today.
But yeah almost 80% of games he has taken only 1 mark or lower.

Show me a 24yr old 210cm ruckman who's the finished product.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

My attempt...

B: Michalanney, Butts, Worrell
HB: Sheezel, Murray, Day
C: Soligo, LDU, Scott
HF: Pedlar, Fogarty, Thomas
F: Moore, Lewis, Rankine
R: Reeves, Rachele, Newcombe
I: Weddle, Wardlaw, Phillips, Thilthorpe

I'm sure there is someone obvious I have missed.

No Ward? Day isn’t a defender.

No Brockman?

And what’s the reason for no Seamus Mitchell?

LDU isn’t youth, he is 24. KPP was 24 and normal was 23 for mine. Makes much more sense because of natural development.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’d rather have Tilthorpe as ruck than Reeves. How many marks did he take today playing against no opposition ruckman. How many the past 2 weeks?
May well be the worst ruckman in the game at the moment.

Thilthorpe will be a gun.

Like another midfielder when ball hits thr ground.

Reeves has potential, but at the moment looks as coordinated as a baby giraffe...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So either your midfield was killed today or he just handed it to the Blues.
And he was subbed relatively early for all his domination…..

Our midfield was beaten today, which I would've thought was pretty self explanatory from those basic stats.

 

[VinnieB]

Lol, do know football?

Find me an non-Hawks supporter who seriously thinks Blanck is a better footballer than either Butts, Murray or Worrell.

Blanck is another who would struggle to get a game at any other AFL club.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Lol, do know football?

Find me an non-Hawks supporter who seriously thinks Blanck is a better footballer than either Butts, Murray or Worrell.

I do. There’s a reason I’m going into the sports industry.

The stats say they’re similar and if you’ve watched both and enough of butts & blanck youd agree or atleast wouldn’t have such an interesting response.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Blanck is another who would struggle to get a game at any other AFL club.

This is your go-to line, despite having Markov and Kreuger on your list, getting games.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No Ward? Day isn’t a defender.

No Brockman?

And what’s the reason for no Seamus Mitchell?

LDU isn’t youth, he is 24. KPP was 24 and normal was 23 for mine. Makes much more sense because of natural development.

Day has played most of his footy as a defender.

If I can't have LDU, I could consider Brockman coming in.

The fact you rate the likes of Mitchell over Thilthorpe for your best 22 says everything...

 

[VinnieB]

Show me a 24yr old 210cm ruckman who's the finished product.

In Cox’s 1st year of playing senior footy he took on 1 mark in 2 of 11 games.
And that’s a guy who had never seen a footy.

It’s not about being the finished product. It’s about showing he can be an afl standard player. He will be 25 this year and offers absolutely nothing around the ground.

Yet you talk as if he is some 19/20 yr old kid.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Blanck is another who would struggle to get a game at any other AFL club.

Struggles to hold his place at the Hawks!

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Day has played most of his footy as a defender.

If I can't have LDU, I could consider Brockman coming in

The fact you rate the likes of Mitchell over Thilthorpe for your best 22 says everything...

Day is a midfielder now, has been all year.

Well he isn’t youth under the metrics I had. Under 23 is youth and 24 is a good range for KPP.

Mitchell is a defender and Thilthorpe is a KPP. Seamus is also really good as a small running defender who is also just as good defensively.

Ward is better than Bailey Scott btw so don’t bother.

 

[VinnieB]

This is your go-to line, despite having Markov and Kreuger on your list, getting games.

Krueger is trying to get a game when he isn’t injured. He would be a walk up start at Hawthorn who have one of the worst forward lines in the game.

We have made Markov a good player. He would be one of the 1st picked running it out of your poor backline.

In fact, we probably have 4-6 players that would be walk up starts in your senior team.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

In Cox’s 1st year of playing senior footy he took on 1 mark in 2 of 11 games.
And that’s a guy who had never seen a footy.

It’s not about being the finished product. It’s about showing he can be an afl standard player. He will be 25 this year and offers absolutely nothing around the ground.

Yet you talk as if he is some 19/20 yr old kid.

Rucks are not even close to peaking at 24, particularly big awkward ones like Reeves who've only just played 30 games.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Krueger is trying to get a game when he isn’t injured. He would be a walk up start at Hawthorn who have one of the worst forward lines in the game.

We have made Markov a good player. He would be one of the 1st picked running it out of your poor backline.

In fact, we probably have 4-6 players that would be walk up starts in your senior team.

Don't pass your bin juice over here and try to tell me it's lemonade.

 

[VinnieB]

Rucks are not even close to peaking at 24, particularly big awkward ones like Reeves who've only just played 30 games.

No. But as I pointed out. He is showing very little as a prospect. Who wants a ruckman who is a liability and offers nothing around the ground? But he has 10cm on his opponents so can get a hit out….

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Day is a midfielder now, has been all year.

Well he isn’t youth under the metrics I had. Under 23 is youth and 24 is a good range for KPP.

Mitchell is a defender and Thilthorpe is a KPP. Seamus is also really good as a small running defender who is also just as good defensively.

Ward is better than Bailey Scott btw so don’t bother.

Mitchell is a defender who you rate ahead of Worrell...

Thilthorpe is better than Reeves as ruckman but I gave you Reeves as Thilthorpe adds balance as a forward/ruckman. The fact you left out our best young talent says everything! Thilthorpe will be a gun.

Yes, I rate North's midfielders more than both our sides. You keep overrating yours like they are dominating this competition. It's not just about getting the ball, it's about using it & connection with the rest of the side.

 

[VinnieB]

Don't pass your bin juice over here and try to tell me it's lemonade.

You have a very high opinion on a list that is bottom 3 in the game and plays like it. The easiest team to get a game at (actually WC probably easier), year these ‘highly talented’ kids seem to be in and out of the team.

Try getting a game at a contender or a team playing for finals. Much more difficult. That’s why Markov would be a walk up start at the Hawks and why Adelaide’s youth is so much higher quality than Hawthorn’s.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No. But as I pointed out. He is showing very little as a prospect. Who wants a ruckman who is a liability and offers nothing around the ground? But he has 10cm on his opponents so can get a hit out….

He is dominant in the middle, in fact he is elite with a 51.3% win rate, and is above average for hits to advantage.
Let's see if he "offers nothing" in 12 months time.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

No. But as I pointed out. He is showing very little as a prospect. Who wants a ruckman who is a liability and offers nothing around the ground? But he has 10cm on his opponents so can get a hit out….

I know who I would backing Thilthorpe v Reeves...

 

[VinnieB]

I know who I would backing Thilthorpe v Reeves...

I’m sure Sam Mitchell would trade out Reeves + a 1st round pick for Tilthorpe.