Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[chopflop]

Jeez North would want to get their eye in this draft.

They have a quite silly number of top 30 picks on their list but so many potatoes in there. If they can't nail their picks here, could spell a decade of irrelevance and tin shaking

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Hawthorn has the best system, best draft team and the best coach of these 3 teams. Unbelievable what Mitchell is doing with a bunch of no-name players. North are getting kissed on the dick continuously and seem to be building sweet f/a. They don’t seem to have a very good development factory. Adelaide has an outstanding team for picking talls. They are bloody brilliant at it but retaining is trickier. Hawks for me more likely to get to the pointy end on the back of what they are doing, and the development of the youth they have, in the next few years.

 

[5minutes_of_Dew]

Hawthorn has the best system, best draft team and the best coach of these 3 teams. Unbelievable what Mitchell is doing with a bunch of no-name players. North are getting kissed on the dick continuously and seem to be building sweet f/a. They don’t seem to have a very good development factory. Adelaide has an outstanding team for picking talls. They are bloody brilliant at it but retaining is trickier. Hawks for me more likely to get to the pointy end on the back of what they are doing, and the development of the youth they have, in the next few years.

I agree, I think North has more young top end talent on its list but Hawthorn and Sam Mitchell have found a way to turn things like Pick 76 (Mitch Lewis) and a Mid Season draft pick (Jai Newcombe) into much more than they were predicted to be.

We now just need a few of our early picks to come along in their development (Ward, Mackenzie, McDonald) to complement our midfield mix and we'll be looking good.

Our backline works well but would benefit from a genuine full back. Our forwardline was the biggest issue and they've addressed it this off season bringing in Ginnivan, Chol and Gunston. All 3 of those could be complete busts but they also have the potential to complement Lewis and Breust spectacularly.

Add in either Duursma or Watson in the draft and we should be looking at a much more potent forward half than we had last year. Then if Wingard has a miraculous ACL recovery he might even potentially be available for a finals series if that somehow eventuates.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Saying North are all set for a big future just because they have a wealth of early picks means nothing if the development is a rabble. Im not saying their development is a rabble, its a wait and see, but its lazy analysis.

Consider these picks all inside 20 in the space of 4 drafts (trigger warning Dees fans):

4 Morton
14 Grimes
1 Watts
17 Blease
19 Strauss
1 Scully
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook

Its a hot mess. Dont get me started on the first 10 years of the Suns.

Now Im using Hawthorn as an example as I know more about them but here are the top 12 from the recent B&F. No doubt there are clubs higher on the ladder with a similar list that is more mature.

Day (pick 13)
Newcombe (MSD)
Nash (Irish)
Worpel (pick 45)
Sicily (pick 56)
Moore (pick 67)
Impey (pick 21 at Port, traded in for not much)
Amon (pick 68 at Port, traded in as a FA)
Hardwick (pick 44)
Bruest (rookie)
Reeves (SSP)
Lewis (pick 76)

All bar Bruest will still be playing AFL in 3 years.

Im well aware that Hawthorn finished 16th. But its widely accepted that they will start to rise next year and among the younger players who are outside that list there is 8 picks that were made inside 30. Ward, Mackenzie, DGB, Weddle, Mitchell, Butler, MacDonald and Scrimshaw (though he is older).

Im not arguing that Hawthorn have the best youth (Although I think they do but I am biased), im just pointing out that there is more to it than picks.

 

[Caligo]

Saying North are all set for a big future just because they have a wealth of early picks means nothing if the development is a rabble. Im not saying their development is a rabble, its a wait and see, but its lazy analysis.

Consider these picks all inside 20 in the space of 4 drafts (trigger warning Dees fans):

4 Morton
14 Grimes
1 Watts
17 Blease
19 Strauss
1 Scully
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook

Its a hot mess. Dont get me started on the first 10 years of the Suns.

Now Im using Hawthorn as an example as I know more about them but here are the top 12 from the recent B&F. No doubt there are clubs higher on the ladder with a similar list that is more mature.

Day (pick 13)
Newcombe (MSD)
Nash (Irish)
Worpel (pick 45)
Sicily (pick 56)
Moore (pick 67)
Impey (pick 21 at Port, traded in for not much)
Amon (pick 68 at Port, traded in as a FA)
Hardwick (pick 44)
Bruest (rookie)
Reeves (SSP)
Lewis (pick 76)

All bar Bruest will still be playing AFL in 3 years.

Im well aware that Hawthorn finished 16th. But its widely accepted that they will start to rise next year and among the younger players who are outside that list there is 8 picks that were made inside 30. Ward, Mackenzie, DGB, Weddle, Mitchell, Butler, MacDonald and Scrimshaw (though he is older).

Im not arguing that Hawthorn have the best youth (Although I think they do but I am biased), im just pointing out that there is more to it than picks.

Similarly, other good clubs like Sydney and Geelong have done some immense work with trash picks.

Really underrated aspect of list building.

 

[Soggy2112]

4 Morton
14 Grimes
1 Watts
17 Blease
19 Strauss
1 Scully
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook

Scully and Trengove are the real bad ones.

Scully carved out a pretty nice career once he got out of there.

Trengove was constantly injured and then was given the responsibility of Melbourne captain way too early. Both could have been top level, potentially AA players if they didn’t spend their formative years with Melbourne.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Scully and Trengove are the real bad ones.

Scully carved out a pretty nice career once he got out of there.

Trengove was constantly injured and then was given the responsibility of Melbourne captain way too early. Both could have been top level, potentially AA players if they didn’t spend their formative years with Melbourne.

How can anyone possibly know that?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Saying North are all set for a big future just because they have a wealth of early picks means nothing if the development is a rabble. Im not saying their development is a rabble, its a wait and see, but its lazy analysis.

Consider these picks all inside 20 in the space of 4 drafts (trigger warning Dees fans):

4 Morton
14 Grimes
1 Watts
17 Blease
19 Strauss
1 Scully
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook

Its a hot mess. Dont get me started on the first 10 years of the Suns.

Now Im using Hawthorn as an example as I know more about them but here are the top 12 from the recent B&F. No doubt there are clubs higher on the ladder with a similar list that is more mature.

Day (pick 13)
Newcombe (MSD)
Nash (Irish)
Worpel (pick 45)
Sicily (pick 56)
Moore (pick 67)
Impey (pick 21 at Port, traded in for not much)
Amon (pick 68 at Port, traded in as a FA)
Hardwick (pick 44)
Bruest (rookie)
Reeves (SSP)
Lewis (pick 76)

All bar Bruest will still be playing AFL in 3 years.

Im well aware that Hawthorn finished 16th. But its widely accepted that they will start to rise next year and among the younger players who are outside that list there is 8 picks that were made inside 30. Ward, Mackenzie, DGB, Weddle, Mitchell, Butler, MacDonald and Scrimshaw (though he is older).

Im not arguing that Hawthorn have the best youth (Although I think they do but I am biased), im just pointing out that there is more to it than picks.

Impey and Amon will be 31/32 in 3 years time.

 

[Caligo]

Impey and Amon will be 31/32 in 3 years time.

Both will have just turned 31 in 3 years. Neither will be 32.

 

[Soggy2112]

How can anyone possibly know that?

Hence why I said could.

You’re right, we couldn’t possibly know for sure but that applies to 95% of football discussion.

 

[Engimal v3]

North for mine

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Impey and Amon will be 31/32 in 3 years time.

Completely missed the point of my post.

 

[The Nostradamus]

So time for the pre draft under 25 team (born 1999 and post) comparison and then a post draft one

B: Archer Comben Bergman
HB: Sheezel Nyuon Goater
C: Stephens Phillips Powell
HF: Curtis CCJ Thomas
F: Sleevo Ford Taylor
R: Xerri LDU Wardlaw
I: Lazzaro George Harvey Scott
Sub: Drury

A core group of 25 year olds who just ineligible to make the team in Simpkin, larkey, Logue, Zurhaar and fisher

Adelaide and hawks what you got?

 

[matey]

So time for the pre draft under 25 team (born 1999 and post) comparison and then a post draft one

B: Archer Comben Bergman
HB: Scott Nyuon Goater
C: Stephens Phillips Powell
HF: Curtis CCJ Thomas
F: Sleevo Ford Taylor
R: Xerri LDU Wardlaw
I: Lazzaro George Drury Harvey

A core group of 25 year olds who just ineligible to make the team in Simpkin, larkey, Logue, Zurhaar and fisher

Adelaide and hawks what you got?

Doesn’t matter what Hawks and Crows have got …… that’s bottom 4 material right there!

 

[hawkman]

Doesn’t matter what Hawks and Crows have got …… that’s bottom 4 material right there!

Most lists with just under 25's would be bottom 4. Ours would have Ramsden and DGB as the tall forwards and Tucker as the ruck

 

[The Nostradamus]

Doesn’t matter what Hawks and Crows have got …… that’s bottom 4 material right there!

I’ll give you guys a bit of time to put yours up before I might just do it for you

 

[hawkman]

So time for the pre draft under 25 team (born 1999 and post) comparison and then a post draft one

B: Archer Comben Bergman
HB: Scott Nyuon Goater
C: Stephens Phillips Powell
HF: Curtis CCJ Thomas
F: Sleevo Ford Taylor
R: Xerri LDU Wardlaw
I: Lazzaro George Drury Harvey

A core group of 25 year olds who just ineligible to make the team in Simpkin, larkey, Logue, Zurhaar and fisher

Adelaide and hawks what you got?

B: Mitchell Blanck B McDonald
HB: Jiath Serong Weddle
C: Ward Day Mackenzie
HF: Moore DGB C Macdonald
F: Ginnivan Ramsden Butler
R: Tucker Newcombe Worpel
I: Maginness Stephens Hustwaite D'Ambrosio
(Bennetts or O'Sullivan as sub)

Light on talls at both ends, Reeves and Lewis just miss out on age by a couple of months

 

[The Nostradamus]

B: Mitchell Blanck B McDonald
HB: Jiath Serong Weddle
C: Ward Day McKenzie
HF: Moore DGB C Macdonald
F: Ginnivan Ramsden Butler
R: Tucker Newcombe Worpel
I: Maginness Stephens Hustwaite D'Ambrosio
(Bennetts or O'Sullivan as sub)

Alright now just Adelaide

 

[Rod Stroker]

So time for the pre draft under 25 team (born 1999 and post) comparison and then a post draft one

B: Archer Comben Bergman
HB: Scott Nyuon Goater
C: Stephens Phillips Powell
HF: Curtis CCJ Thomas
F: Sleevo Ford Taylor
R: Xerri LDU Wardlaw
I: Lazzaro George Drury Harvey

A core group of 25 year olds who just ineligible to make the team in Simpkin, larkey, Logue, Zurhaar and fisher

Adelaide and hawks what you got?

Have we traded out Sheezel for more top 20 picks?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Have we traded out Sheezel for more top 20 picks?

Haha how did i forget him

Will go back and edit

 

[The Nostradamus]

All 3 clubs getting elite talent in the draft

Really liked what the crows did to bring in Curtin

Hawks with watto

And north with Colby and Duursma

So time for the pre draft under 25 team (born 1999 and post) comparison and then a post draft one

B: Archer Comben Bergman
HB: Sheezel Nyuon Goater
C: Stephens Phillips Powell
HF: Curtis CCJ Thomas
F: Sleevo Ford Taylor
R: Xerri LDU Wardlaw
I: Lazzaro George Harvey Scott
Sub: Drury

A core group of 25 year olds who just ineligible to make the team in Simpkin, larkey, Logue, Zurhaar and fisher

Adelaide and hawks what you got?

Colby in for lazzaro
Duursma in for taylor
Hardeman in for Drury

 

[Golumless]

Alright now just Adelaide

Fine.

B: Michaelanny - Murray - Butts
HB: Ryan - Worrell - Nankervis
C: Jones - Soligo - Sholl
HF: Rachele - Thilthorpe - Dowling
F: Rankine - Fogarty - Gollant
R: Parnell - Pedlar - Berry
INT: Curtin - Edwards - Taylor - Schoenberg
Sub: Cook.

 

[CDC60]

Fine.

B: Michaelanny - Murray - Butts
HB: Ryan - Worrell - Nankervis
C: Jones - Soligo - Sholl
HF: Rachele - Thilthorpe - Dowling
F: Rankine - Fogarty - Gollant
R: Parnell - Pedlar - Berry
INT: Curtin - Edwards - Taylor - Schoenberg
Sub: Cook.

Parnell in ruck is going to be a challenge. Reckon Keane and McHenry find spots

 

[Golumless]

Parnell in ruck is going to be a challenge. Reckon Keane and McHenry find spots

I'm ok with McHenry in the ruck.

Yeah, Keane lost out for me due to Curtin, though Keane/Butts are pretty interchangable at this point.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Fine.

B: Michaelanny - Murray - Butts
HB: Ryan - Worrell - Nankervis
C: Jones - Soligo - Sholl
HF: Rachele - Thilthorpe - Dowling
F: Rankine - Fogarty - Gollant
R: Parnell - Pedlar - Berry
INT: Curtin - Edwards - Taylor - Schoenberg
Sub: Cook.

Midfield looks fairly average

Forwards look good