Which teams list would you least want going forward?

[Big_Birdy]

Umm Wright, Higgins, Waite and Wood are all starting 22 players. They were all injured in the second half of last year so didn't play. What I'm saying is those veterans (whose output had dropped off) will all be replaced by best 22 players who were injured last year and probably better than those veterans anyway. Meaning while I suspect there will be a drop off because the depth of talent isn't there, we won't fall off a cliff.

And have you seen Wood play? It's by no means a stretch to suggest he can play as a third talk forward. It suits his game anyway. Petrie was copping the 3rd best key defender by the end of last year anyway

I am aware they are best 22 players, that's my point. They are mediocre except wood, who just has potential. You said Wood could replace Waite if he gets injured, are you saying Waite isn't a KPF? If he isn't who in your best 22 is aside from Brown?

 

[TooBlue14]

Hard to say where Ben would have gone had he played the full draft year.

Also both were born a week into the draft. This year they reckon Harry would of gone top 5 after.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Then why recruit him? For all the noise about how North didn't handle the exits properly (didn't really care about it too much, a few bruised egos and nothing much more) they delisted the right guys. However I feel like Harvey will be a big loss even though in terms of the future, he had to go.

Issue for North is I can't see them finishing in the bottom, more 9-12th, but if you look at this in terms of say the next five or so years, I'd say they have the least exciting prospects going around. North fans keep mentioning the fact that many of their recent draftees have been injured KPDs, I suspect the problem though is that North don't have enough gun midfielders coming through.

Furthermore, when people are bagging North, they're usually grouping them with other teams in a similar boat, so it's not as if people are just picking on North.

I still say though that the suns are the least healthy list going around. Ablett seems on the outer, has ditched the captaincy, seems unhappy, is aware his body is struggling, remove Ablett and that's a fairly inexperienced and mediocre midfield. Their culture isn't great, they're a Queensland club which means if they're struggling for form or have culture issues (or both?) they're a candidate to lose players and I think Eade is past it.

Well we certainly haven't recruited Petrie to make the difference, more to salvage pride if all our talks go down.

I genuinely think we have brought him in to add some experience to East Perth who were uncompetitive a lot in 2016. But he is the break glass option if all goes to hell

 

[RobZombie]

C is a pretty fair summation - a lot of your good players are now gone, and North supporters are expecting to replace them with blokes like Wagner, Neilsen and McKay and be alright... I wouldn't be so optimistic. Also, relying on older players hasn't stopped Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong blooding youth. Not to mention those teams achieved success while doing it, unlike North who went for it all and failed.

Yep, we'd love to have blooded more youth, and if they're really good they play. So the fact that so few have forced their way into the team is a thing. But while half of the 17 guys yet to play seniors for the club will probably fall by the wayside one way or another there's enough talent lined up to be optimistic, and our recruiters have deliberately gone with more project-y first rounders for a couple of years because our tall stocks were OK and we had the luxury of letting them develop in the VFL. Not to mention season-ending injuries to all 3 picks in 2015.

What we will really miss in 2017 will be the dash and creativity of Boomer and Wells. In 2018 and beyond we'd be hoping Ahern and Simpkin provide some of that. The forward line is fine. Daw's the second oldest tall forward at 25 and the general forwards aren't particularly old. Tall defenders are a big question mark but if we get 2 good ones out of Durdin, Nielson, EVW and Watson that will take the pressure off. General defenders are fine. Midfield is still one-paced for now and a concern (Swallow in particular has been looking cooked but will have a better run at preseason this year), but we've drafted for some speed so fingers crossed. It would only take one star import to make the midfield look a lot better.

Next year looks likely to be inconsistent and will hopefully see a lot of experiments different lineups. Doesn't look like a bottom-out to me.

 

[SherbertLemon]

Essendon - like the wicked witch in the wizard of oz a big chance a group of their players start melting.

Mate, I've never seen a poster have such a vendetta against a club.

It's hilarious now, keep it up.

 

[RobZombie]

He didn't? Pick 15 out (1st rounder) Anderson in, without directly replacing the 1st rounder you gave up in that trade.

Anderson was steak knives in a trade that was mostly about pick swaps.

 

[RobZombie]

Fair points, but has Brad Scott shown he can actually develop kids and win at the same time?
Only 10 senior AFL games from the last two drafts thus far is a pretty damning indication of Brad's ability to mix contending and developing.

Wood is quality, Hrovat too when he gets an injury free run at it (you got a bargain there), Clarke has shown signs, but it's not just playing kids and developing them.... it's getting them to be better than the kids other teams have that counts.
Externally, it seems Brad only plays your kids when he's exhausted all other options.

That's pretty much the avarage North fan's reservations about Brad in a nutshell.

 

[mikeg4]

It worries me that Ben Brown is consistently named norths best young player in this thread when he is already 24

 

[boydee]

North Melbourne easily the list with most lack of young talent. Cannot see them winning more than 3 games next year.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

End of the day there is no guaranteed way for a successful rebuild. The only thing that North lack/lacked was true senior stars they could have traded for draft picks like the saints did with Goddard and Dal Santo when they started rebuild, which you could say was pre mature. At least you guys tried to compete by recruiting senior players when you close to the top 4.

Now you can either decided to trade out players early who have value (Goldstein) to start getting talent in or just slowly turn over your list. Carlton and Melb have proved that full rebuilds dont always work. Ill admit your list is in a no mans land (like port) but 1-2 years of good trading and drafting could change this. Plus being a Melbourne team would help with Free Agents, like swallow etc.

It's a tough one. If you can get enough talent through the door without winning spoons is key imo. Can't have the players being used to losing or having a shit culture with no competition for spots in the team.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I am aware they are best 22 players, that's my point. They are mediocre except wood, who just has potential. You said Wood could replace Waite if he gets injured, are you saying Waite isn't a KPF? If he isn't who in your best 22 is aside from Brown?

Higgins and Waite would walk into your best 22.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

He almost certainly is, but lucky for us he almost certainly wont get a game. Sam Wright should have been delisted 2 years ago.

Nah, no team has 22 A-B graders. Similar situation with Chris Masten at your club.

 

[JVseven]

It worries me that Ben Brown is consistently named norths best young player in this thread when he is already 24

That's young for North isn't it?

 

[Big_Birdy]

Higgins and Waite would walk into your best 22.

Now you are just taking the piss. Waite gets nowhere near our best 22.

Higgins maybe, but he wouldn't be a walk up start.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Nah, no team has 22 A-B graders. Similar situation with Chris Masten at your club.

You'll find plenty of Eagles supporters who would have moved on Masten long ago. Still better than Wright anyway.

 

[HeHateMe]

Nah, no team has 22 A-B graders. Similar situation with Chris Masten at your club.

I feel like i can disprove this,

**more to come**
Nope i was wrong, got all the way back to geelong 2007 and even that team had Shannon Byrnes and Nathan Ablett.

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[Bojan KantKick]

Now you are just taking the piss. Waite gets nowhere near our best 22.

Higgins maybe, but he wouldn't be a walk up start.

Simmo appreciates players that don't shit the bed in big games. Out go the frenchman and Darling.....

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I feel like i can disprove this,

**more to come**

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Don't spend too long on it....

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You'll find plenty of Eagles supporters who would have moved on Masten long ago. Still better than Wright anyway.

Nah. Same level of meh.

 

[HeHateMe]

Don't spend too long on it....

Yeah your right once i got 2007 i gave up.

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[Big_Birdy]

Simmo appreciates players that don't shit the bed in big games. Out go the frenchman and Darling.....

So lets put in 0 goals in the Prelim Waite? Odd Strategy

Maybe Simmo would prefer 5 disposal Elimination Final Ben Brown?

 

[Bojan KantKick]

So lets put in 0 goals in the Prelim Waite? Odd Strategy

Maybe Simmo would prefer 5 disposal Elimination Final Ben Brown?

What prelim was that?

Maybe Majak then.

 

[Big_Birdy]

What prelim was that?

Maybe Majak then.

2015

 

[Bojan KantKick]

2015

Ahh.... The year your whole team shat the bed. Must have been hard for a finals performer like Simmo to watch.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Ahh.... The year your whole team shat the bed. Must have been hard for a finals performer like Simmo to watch.

I can sympathise with him...