MRP / Trib. Whitecross offered a week - But justice, nay commonsense, actually sanity prevails.

[savagelunchbox]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

Two completely unwelcome ******** Cat flogs who are deluded enough to think they should be allowed to give us their benefit of their moronic, biased, simple minded half-arsed drivel.

Can we throw Gerard Whatley (sp?) into this group? Last night on AFL360 he pretty much laughed off WX showing the remorse and gave me the impression that the suspension was just.

Whatley's is regarded as one of the better footy media men, but here's a moment where he's dropped the ball.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

We are challenging!

It had to be done.

If you're not going to fight for common sense and decency, then you may as well give up.

Fingers crossed.

 

[savagelunchbox]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

We are challenging!

It had to be done.

If you're not going to fight for common sense and decency, then you may as well give up.

Fingers crossed.

****ing yeah

 

[Rioli2Gunstall]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

Any word on the challenge yet?

 

[eldorado]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

We are at the mercy of an inflexible, illogical, maddening system...

Not sure if we'll get joy, but it had to be done.

 

[Ram-Man]

Challenge is on ....

 

[grizzlym]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

We are at the mercy of an inflexible, illogical, maddening system...

Not sure if we'll get joy, but it had to be done.

Precisely. To get off, which he undoubtedly should, is an admission that the system 'is rigid and less than perfect.

That won't happen. The AFL is never wrong.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

Any word on the challenge yet?

We're challenging. Appeal to be heard tonight at 5.00pm.

 

[play2win]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

Can we throw Gerard Whatley (sp?) into this group? Last night on AFL360 he pretty much laughed off WX showing the remorse and gave me the impression that the suspension was just.

Whatley's is regarded as one of the better footy media men, but here's a moment where he's dropped the ball.

by far one of the better media persons, even though he supports geelong. in all fairness i think he dismissed the remorse on the basis that it is irrelevant to the decision, and he also did mention that it should be thrown out upon appeal.

 

[Changa10]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

Great to hear, fight it to the death I say

 

[Cynic]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

by far one of the better media persons, even though he supports geelong. in all fairness i think he dismissed the remorse on the basis that it is irrelevant to the decision, and he also did mention that it should be thrown out upon appeal.

Agreed. The remorse, and the umpire's initial opinion it was an accident, are ultimately irrelevant.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge!!

Everyone say goodbye to Whitecross for two weeks.

 

[ACTion Hawks]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

I support the club's decision to fight this one, for two reasons:

1) It is a ridiculous decision that needs to be fought on principle and has a chance of success (although harder everytime someone says it is the system that is at fault as that would make it impossible for the AFL to accept). I believe it has to be fought on the basis that it was unavoidable and Whitecross did nothing to initiate the contact (merely bracing himself); and

2) Having 68 carryover points (as he would if accepted) means he is at greater risk of being wiped out for some very minor thing later in the season at a time when we may be even worse placed to cope with it. If logic prevails he will play next week and have no carryover points (and lead towards a good record) and if not, he will miss two weeks but will have only 25 carryover points. This means one of those misdemeanours worth 68.75 points or whatever will not lead to an automatic week out.

It still sucks that he is even going before the MRP

 

[hfc70]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge!!

Everyone say goodbye to Whitecross for two weeks.

Agreed.

As absurd as this penalty is, you cannot beat City Hall.

Hawks should have held a press conference this morning
to say they will be resting Whitecross this week and that the MRP
got it totally wrong. We don't accept their charge
and appealing it would be a waste of everyones time
because common sense is not very common especially
when it comes to the AFL

 

[Brishawk]

Re: Whitecross offered a week

The problem isn't the incident, it's the ridiculously rigid MRP system that eschews common sense and making a judgment call over box-ticking processes.

As soon as it happened, Whitecross wasn't be assessed by a group of individuals making an assessment of the situation but at the mercy of Anderson's Byzantine set of procedures.

That a panel of expert people aren't empowered to make a judgment call on matters like this, instead of slavishly following a set of pedantic rules is the real issue here.

While I agree the system tends towards a process rather than a judgement, there is still a whole lot of judgement involved which makes the entire system produce crazily inconsistent penalties for similar incidents.

Someone judged that Whitecross was negligent. Someone judged the level of impact as medium even though Whitecross is essentially standing still. A different person can look at the same incident and follow the same process and get a completely different result. To most people, including the players and umpire, the contact was accidental yet the MRP deems it as negligent.

The worst part is, there is no onus on the MRP OR the tribunal to justify their judgements. The onus is on the player to prove himself innocent rather than the MRP or tribunal prove his guilt. How can you realistically argue against a judgement call? The contact level being 'insufficient to constitute a report' is the classic one. The MRP/Tribunal can wheel it out whenever they want if it suits their prerogative and they can dismiss such a claim when it doesn't without ANY supporting evidence. Its simply their call.

 

[eldorado]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

The tribunal, if anything, has more room for discretion, for judgement, than the MRP, who are just feral abaci*

(*Thanks PJ)

 

[grizzlym]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

Twho are just feral abaci*

(*Thanks PJ)

That's awesome, Eldo.

 

[Off The Couch]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

Personally I would of preferred the club copped a massive fine and took a big swing at the MRP (Adrian) because it's a joke and needs to be called to account.

I'm saying goodbye to Whitex for the next couple of weeks because quite frankly our lawyers (representatives) suck at this whole tribunal stuff because I can't for the life of me remember the last time they got someone off.

 

[Paul007]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge!!

Everyone say goodbye to Whitecross for two weeks.

Yep. I suspect that is exactly what will happen.

 

[PNess]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

Well done to HFC for standing up to this one.

The madness that is ongoing at the AFL administration level is a total microcosm of the madness by the liberty stripping governments around the world today.

The sad part is that some of the people involved in the madness at AFL level are former greats of the game. Somehow, they have forgotten who they were as players and entered the big bad world of business and see the world in a different light, through thoughts of their own or by influence of ever present fat cats.

It would be a shining light if common sense prevails in this case.

 

[Southern Urchins]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

Whitecross gets 2 weeks for sure now.

And if we take it to court enjoy a sh1t fixture next year. The AFL are never wrong and you never really win against them, even when you think you win.

Ridiculous suspension, but ridiculous to challenge. Hopefully Hodge is back for West Coast.

 

[eldorado]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

I suspect he will get off.

Unlike all the other cases which were thrown out, he was standing still. I'm sure the definition of a bump, insomuch as it implies voluntarily propelling ones body towards anothers, rather than being in the unavoidable path.

 

[Hodginator]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

Will common sense prevail? Probably not unfortunately.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

I suspect he will get off.

Unlike all the other cases which were thrown out, he was standing still. I'm sure the definition of a bump, insomuch as it implies voluntarily propelling ones body towards anothers, rather than being in the unavoidable path.

Arrrr that old "logic" chestnut coming into play. Hopefully you are not the only person judging this accident with logic today. I have to say I am not so sure the people that matter have any time for logic though. It does not seem high on their radar at the moment

 

[Southern Urchins]

Re: Whitecross offered a week - And the Hawks challenge a patently absurd charge

The AFL is a dictatorship, Whitecross is stuffed.