Who do you want to take at pick 3?

[Bonz]

Greetings

I have the Swans in our upcoming Phantom Draft, so I thought I would float in to read this thread.

Seems most have Phillips as their preferred player, while I do see that inside role as a need, I also see your spine as an area that needs addressing, given the age of many of your talls

Couple of questions:

How are Amartey and McLean tracking?

Is McCartin preferred as a defender or a forward?

Where do you see Blakey longterm?

I personally agree with your thoughts about our spine, our midfield stock isn't looking too bad especially if Campbell and Gulden come in.

Amartey - Isn't really rated by our board, I think maybe the club hopes he can Mahe it as a forward but am not holding my breath.

McLean - We all hope he can develop into that second ruck/ forward role. But he urgently needs to improve his mobility.

McCartin - Looked amazing as a defender, think he stays there.

Blakey - Think he will become a tall midfielder unless he can pound on the kilos.

 

[Arr0w]

I personally agree with your thoughts about our spine, our midfield stock isn't looking too bad especially if Campbell and Gulden come in.

Amartey - Isn't really rated by our board, I think maybe the club hopes he can Mahe it as a forward but am not holding my breath.

McLean - We all hope he can develop into that second ruck/ forward role. But he urgently needs to improve his mobility.

McCartin - Looked amazing as a defender, think he stays there.

Blakey - Think he will become a tall midfielder unless he can pound on the kilos.

I see Campbell as the clear best mid in this draft, beautifully balanced player that can play inside and out

Gulden, not convinced as to his projection at the next level, depends where the bid comes.

Agree with the Amartey, McLean thoughts.

McCartin is still a forward for me, although having swing versatility is a huge bonus

Blakey is an interesting one, not sure how much weight he will gains with those narrow shoulders, perhaps a 3rd tall forward/wing might be his best role, I do rate him highly

At this stage I am leaning to a tall, in DGB

 

[MarkP]

Greetings

I have the Swans in our upcoming Phantom Draft, so I thought I would float in to read this thread.

Seems most have Phillips as their preferred player, while I do see that inside role as a need, I also see your spine as an area that needs addressing, given the age of many of your talls

Couple of questions:

How are Amartey and McLean tracking?

Is McCartin preferred as a defender or a forward?

Where do you see Blakey longterm?

How are Amartey and McLean tracking? One is a bit of a truck but has a go, good kick for goal though the others ability at AFL level is questionable at this stage.

Is McCartin preferred as a defender or a forward? I think he is a forward. He is obviously a very good backman but he does get a lot of "supply" in this team playing back and not so much when forward. Regardless he is a gun either way.

Where do you see Blakey longterm? Norf

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Greetings

I have the Swans in our upcoming Phantom Draft, so I thought I would float in to read this thread.

Seems most have Phillips as their preferred player, while I do see that inside role as a need, I also see your spine as an area that needs addressing, given the age of many of your talls

Couple of questions:

How are Amartey and McLean tracking?

Is McCartin preferred as a defender or a forward?

Where do you see Blakey longterm?

I’ll preface my comment by saying I’m a huge DGB fan & hope we draft him.

(a) McLean is a truck. Limited ceiling. Armatey has one year to prove he’s worth persisting with.

(b) McC has become a gun defender. He stays there.

(c) Blakey will be a wingman.

 

[Arr0w]

I’ll preface my comment by saying I’m a huge DGB fan & hope we draft him.

(a) McLean is a truck. Limited ceiling. Armatey has one year to prove he’s worth persisting with.

(b) McC has become a gun defender. He stays there.

(c) Blakey will be a wingman.

Do I take that, as you believe Melican and McCartin should be your KPDs and Brand as a backup, then focus on KPFs/rucks and an inside mid?

 

[Bear31]

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June - September is when the rest of us get vaccinated. Front line workers first. Nurses, airline pilots etc will take the first doses.

 

[BloodySwan]

Do I take that, as you believe Melican and McCartin should be your KPDs and Brand as a backup, then focus on KPFs/rucks and an inside mid?

Yes, we're well stocked in defence. That's why Aliir leaving doesn't really damage us

 

[RUNVS]

My personal choice is still Phillips as he is exactly what we need but his attitude and reluctance to leave Victoria is a worry. DGB is my second choice but his attitude is the complete opposite, him seeming very keen to just play AFL and does not seem to mind one bit where he plays it.

 

[Bear31]

I personally choice is still Phillips as he is exactly what we need but his attitude and reluctance to leave Victoria is a worry. DGB is my second choice but his attitude is the complete opposite, him seeming very keen to just play AFL and does not seem to mind one bit where he plays it.

I just watched the 2019 futures game again. Phillips just oozes class. Strolls around the field and is never far away from the ball. He kicks with ease and it goes a long way or wherever it is supposed to go. Whoever gets him gets a gun. Hollands had a great game too.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Do I take that, as you believe Melican and McCartin should be your KPDs and Brand as a backup, then focus on KPFs/rucks and an inside mid?

Jury is still out on Melican. His lack of acceleration is a problem that can’t be resolved.

DGB probably needs 2 years in the gym, but he could become our J McGovern. A DGB/McC defence could be absolutely elite.

Brand is no world beater. Delisted by a declining Hawthorn & now perennially injured.

 

[Arr0w]

Jury is still out on Melican. His lack of acceleration is a problem that can’t be resolved.

DGB probably needs 2 years in the gym, but he could become our J McGovern. A DGB/McC defence could be absolutely elite.

Brand is no world beater. Delisted by a declining Hawthorn & now perennially injured.

I believe DGB will be elite. Will start as a 3rd tall straight up then cement himself as a KPD.

Reads the ball in flight better than most juniors I have seen in 2 decades, hence the high number of intercept/contested marks.

When needed to play a pure shutdown role, does it with ease. Game this year, McDonald got off the leash in the 1st half, DGB was given the task in the 2nd half and kept him goalless

 

[RUNVS]

I believe DGB will be elite. Will start as a 3rd tall straight up then cement himself as a KPD.

Reads the ball in flight better than most juniors I have seen in 2 decades, hence the high number of intercept/contested marks.

When needed to play a pure shutdown role, does it with ease. Game this year, McDonald got off the leash in the 1st half, DGB was given the task in the 2nd half and kept him goalless

I think it was also mentioned though that in the game DGB's team did get on top of McDonalds team at around about the same time so McDonalds scoring opportunities did become more limited since he was getting less supply. Still it is a good point you made. To go pick 3 a key defender can't just be good at being an intercept marker, they have to be good at shutting down their opponent when they need to as well.

 

[RUNVS]

Side note, on the North board they are busy discussing bidding on Campbell so we can't get 2 players inside the top 10. It isn't because they want Campbell, they just want to spite us.

 

[Bear31]

Side note, on the North board they are busy discussing bidding on Campbell so we can't get 2 players inside the top 10. It isn't because they want Campbell, they just want to spite us.

The Blakey thing still rubs

 

[CowFos]

Side note, on the North board they are busy discussing bidding on Campbell so we can't get 2 players inside the top 10. It isn't because they want Campbell, they just want to spite us.

I mean fortunately what big footy fans think should happen is hardly representative of what their clubs recruiting team will do.

 

[RUNVS]

I mean fortunately what big footy fans think should happen is hardly representative of what their clubs recruiting team will do.

That is lucky for us

If we were to swap pick 2 for say pick 5 and a future new round next year we really need a team to bid on Campbell before Sydney's pick. This would mean that we would have access to the 4th best pick outside of the academy picks if Sydney matches.

Pick 1 Bulldogs JUH
Pick 2 Adelaide McDonald, Thilthorpe, Hollands, Denver-Barass, Phillips
Pick 3 Gold Coast McDonald, Thilthorpe, Hollands, Denver-Barass, Phillips
Pick 4 Sydney Campbell
Pick 5 Hawthorn McDonald, Thilthorpe, Hollands, Denver-Barass, Phillips
Pick 6 North McDonald, Thilthorpe, Hollands, Denver-Barass, Phillips

It just doesn't make sense to me that the other clubs let Sydney have the advantage of getting a very good player for later draft picks. The only risk is you end up with Campbell who is a very good footballer by all reports.

As per a previous post of mine.

We can bid Campbell and if Swans don’t match we get a gun.

If they match it allows us to swap pick 2 to Dons if they are desperate for their pick 6 and 8.

At 6 we will still have one of Thilly, McDonald, Holland’s, Phillips or DGB.

We can then turn 8 into 14 and 16 as Pies are desperate to get into the top 10 to avoid using a top pick for their academy player. We can keep 8 if we want to pick up another gun.

We all win except for Swans and I can live with that.


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Then we have next pick and Sydney had to burn pick 3. Instead of them getting a gun at pick 3 and then getting Campbell for nothing they now only get Campbell as a gun and lose pick 3.

Sydney lose and I’m ok with that.


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[Kiama Chris]

Side note, on the North board they are busy discussing bidding on Campbell so we can't get 2 players inside the top 10. It isn't because they want Campbell, they just want to spite us.

The North recruitment team won't be thinking like that. For instance, the Dogs will know if we bid on JUH it has nothing to do with them. It's all about improving our own position.
Only Dodo might do something like that, for instance bidding on Campbell at 7 instead of 8 or 9 (After bid/matches). The rest are rational IMO.

 

[TheMase]

If the above scenario occurred I would
Imagine rather than taking him for 3 we would have to trade back maybe for two of Essendons firsts. Then we will still give us an extra pick albeit around pick 17-20. Not completely the end of the world though not maximising.

Fortunately I think their recruiting team would be a little more professional than their BigFooty representatives and would not take such a risk unless they genuinely would take him at 2.

 

[BloodySwan]

If the above scenario occurred I would
Imagine rather than taking him for 3 we would have to trade back maybe for two of Essendons firsts. Then we will still give us an extra pick albeit around pick 17-20. Not completely the end of the world though not maximising.

Fortunately I think their recruiting team would be a little more professional than their BigFooty representatives and would not take such a risk unless they genuinely would take him at 2.

Still a win, 2 first round picks. Nothing to sneeze at

 

[SGBeach]

If the above scenario occurred I would
Imagine rather than taking him for 3 we would have to trade back maybe for two of Essendons firsts. Then we will still give us an extra pick albeit around pick 17-20. Not completely the end of the world though not maximising.

Fortunately I think their recruiting team would be a little more professional than their BigFooty representatives and would not take such a risk unless they genuinely would take him at 2.

yep.. if North bid on Campbell at 2, we could
not match and trade p3 for 6 & 8
- take 6 & 8 to the draft, package up p34 + 37 + 43 for a future 2nd + more, match bid on Gulden with later picks
= P6 + p8 + Gulden + future picks
or
match bid on Campbell
- trade p3 for 6&8, Match bid on Cambell which would reduce p8 to p12, take p12 to the draft, package up p34 + 37 + 43 for a future 2nd + more, match bid on Gulden with later picks
= Campbell + p12 + Gulden + future picks

North won't bid on Campbell

 

[caesar88]

Riley Thilthorpe.

 

[Kapers]

Riley Thilthorpe.

I really don't know why your so sure about Riley.

I'm not too fussed, but I want Phillips or DGB, then maybe Hollands. I don't see why we would take Riley ahead of those 3.

 

[caesar88]

I really don't know why your so sure about Riley.

I'm not too fussed, but I want Phillips or DGB, then maybe Hollands. I don't see why we would take Riley ahead of those 3.

Phillips isn't on our radar.

It's between Thilthorpe and DGB, and if we use pick 3... on DGB... that would be a piss-take.

Tbh, none of these boys - with the exception of Phillips & Hollands - are worth a pick 3 at all in my opinion. I find it to be an incredibly weak draft, understandably so given the circumstances. And in most other drafts I don't think many of them are even in the conversation of top 5. But Thilthorpe is the 'best of the rest' in my eyes, so I am hoping we take him, and I think we will.

 

[Bonz]

Phillips isn't on our radar.

It's between Thilthorpe and DGB, and if we use pick 3... on DGB... that would be a piss-take.

Tbh, none of these boys - with the exception of Phillips & Hollands - are worth a pick 3 at all in my opinion. I find it to be an incredibly weak draft, understandably so given the circumstances. And in most other drafts I don't think many of them are even in the conversation of top 5. But Thilthorpe is the 'best of the rest' in my eyes, so I am hoping we take him, and I think we will.

The cream in this draft is as good as most years, issue is it does away pretty quickly after that.

Both DGB and Thilthorpe are worthy top 5 selections.

 

[caesar88]

The cream in this draft is as good as most years, issue is it does away pretty quickly after that.

Both DGB and Thilthorpe are worthy top 5 selections.

Eh.

The cream I consider to be Elijah Hollands and Will Phillips.

I don't rate DGB, or Bruhn, or even McDonald that highly.

I rate Thilthorpe, but also believe that in a normal year, guys like Campbell, Perkins, Henry, Macrae and Ford would've been on par with him, and so he wouldn't be this obvious, must-have top 5 pick. He looks good, but of course he and the other talls look among the best prospects - about 60% of the draft pool around them haven't played any footy this year.

Hence I think Thilthorpe is the 'best of the rest'.