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Mail is Hill to eagles, straight swap for one of their victorian players... Must be McKinley or spangher
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Im glad some are finally seeing the lack of value from Hargrave.. Been nothing but a liability this year.
Give Everitt a spot like we have persisted with Eagleton, Hahn and Johnno..
Hill - send him home to WA if he wants to go
Gia - went missing in 2010
Give Everitt a spot like we have persisted with Eagleton, Hahn and Johnno..
Hill - send him home to WA if he wants to go
Gia - went missing in 2010
Gia was pretty crucial last weekend...
We don't have a replacement for hargrave... We need to start developing one for lake as well.
As for Hill, don't let him go for a dud like McKinley .. At least hill has potential...
We don't have a replacement for hargrave... We need to start developing one for lake as well.
As for Hill, don't let him go for a dud like McKinley .. At least hill has potential...
Was about to say the same thing!
I think given our supreme lack of pace, we can't have Boyd & Cross in the same team anymore. Someone has to make way. And possibly can't have Reid in the same team either. The team is a bit too 'inside' now. We've gone the opposite way to what we were a few years back. Need to re-balance.
If hill wants to leave and we get offered mikenley. I would actually be happy with that. Think him and hall next to each otehr will give us two great targets.
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Well it's certainly going to interesting to see what we do this year as far as delistments and the draft/trade period.
Retiring.
BJ, Eages, retire of course. I thoughts Eages was great last night, ran really hard and gave it everything.
I think Hahn should retire also. Again he played ok last night, but he just seems slow these days and of course never highly skilled anyway. He's only 30 next year, so perhaps he'll stay on a year and I'm not sure of his contract status, but he looks done as an AFL player to me.
Form drop
We have so many players this year who dropped back a lot all at once. Guys that used to be able to kick can't anymore like Gilbee. Boyd this year has become the turnover king. Higgins was injured/ill all year, big will had that soy milk thing that stuffed his pre season. BJ the achilies, Aka never fired a shot and then they sacked him. Then when it mattered we lost Cooney as well.
Not sure what's wrong with Ryan Hargrave, but to me he looks like footy is not that important to him. He plays like a guy who's content with where he's at and lacks the intensity required in a final.
Gia, well...I think he's a player who has some terrific ability, but seems to drop out of games too much for my liking. Playing that small forward role can do that to a player of course. But where is he at, could he really be our skipper?
Game plan decision making
Why was it last night when Stkilda had numbers back on Hall that we couldn't find the loose man that must be there somewhere...4 on 1 means there has to be 3 players loose? All year we have played in spits and spurts. Effort has been there almost every game. We changed our style and seemed to lose that dare and dash. We lost confidence and our skills dropped and our decision making at times was beyond belief. This I think goes to the MC and that needs a review also.
Remaining List
I think that Tiller, Daniels and Callan will be delisted. Markovic looks a good player at VFL level, but too slow for AFL. Do they keep him as insurance? Maybe. But for me, I'd draft Faulks from Willi and have him as the insurance and develop him. He's only 22.
The tall developing defenders are Mulligan and Boumann. Both have some potential especially Boumann. I doubt we'd delist them.
Thorne, well he played about 10 mins of the first VFL game then did his knee. No idea really about him. But quick skilled small forwards/mids we need so he's the right type, not sure he's the right man.
Conclusion
Farewell and thanks for your great efforts: BJ, Eages, Hahn (all retired).
Gone Aka (sacked). Delisted (and thanks for being good club men): Tiller, Callan, Markovic, Daniels.
That gives us 7 spaces in the main list and 1 rookie spot.
Promote: Hooper, Moles, Panos (so now 4 rookie spots)
Draft: Wallis, Liberatore, Faulks, outside quick mid/forward x 1 and then 3 Rookie spots for outside/mids and tall defenders. We look high and low for these guys and some will be mature age.
Pressure for spots
Gilbee, Hargrave, Gia, Minson all need to have pressure on their spots. Roughead and Cordy will I hope combine at various times as the second rucks and Minnow will be back up.
Stack, Hill, Everitt, will need to step up to demand spots in the team. Wallis, Liber, Howard and Tutt will play AFL next year but we can't expect them to dominate. Sammy Reid will be pressing. Hoops will be. Jones should be CHF next year. I also expect improvement from Matt Panos.
Retiring.
BJ, Eages, retire of course. I thoughts Eages was great last night, ran really hard and gave it everything.
I think Hahn should retire also. Again he played ok last night, but he just seems slow these days and of course never highly skilled anyway. He's only 30 next year, so perhaps he'll stay on a year and I'm not sure of his contract status, but he looks done as an AFL player to me.
Form drop
We have so many players this year who dropped back a lot all at once. Guys that used to be able to kick can't anymore like Gilbee. Boyd this year has become the turnover king. Higgins was injured/ill all year, big will had that soy milk thing that stuffed his pre season. BJ the achilies, Aka never fired a shot and then they sacked him. Then when it mattered we lost Cooney as well.
Not sure what's wrong with Ryan Hargrave, but to me he looks like footy is not that important to him. He plays like a guy who's content with where he's at and lacks the intensity required in a final.
Gia, well...I think he's a player who has some terrific ability, but seems to drop out of games too much for my liking. Playing that small forward role can do that to a player of course. But where is he at, could he really be our skipper?
Game plan decision making
Why was it last night when Stkilda had numbers back on Hall that we couldn't find the loose man that must be there somewhere...4 on 1 means there has to be 3 players loose? All year we have played in spits and spurts. Effort has been there almost every game. We changed our style and seemed to lose that dare and dash. We lost confidence and our skills dropped and our decision making at times was beyond belief. This I think goes to the MC and that needs a review also.
Remaining List
I think that Tiller, Daniels and Callan will be delisted. Markovic looks a good player at VFL level, but too slow for AFL. Do they keep him as insurance? Maybe. But for me, I'd draft Faulks from Willi and have him as the insurance and develop him. He's only 22.
The tall developing defenders are Mulligan and Boumann. Both have some potential especially Boumann. I doubt we'd delist them.
Thorne, well he played about 10 mins of the first VFL game then did his knee. No idea really about him. But quick skilled small forwards/mids we need so he's the right type, not sure he's the right man.
Conclusion
Farewell and thanks for your great efforts: BJ, Eages, Hahn (all retired).
Gone Aka (sacked). Delisted (and thanks for being good club men): Tiller, Callan, Markovic, Daniels.
That gives us 7 spaces in the main list and 1 rookie spot.
Promote: Hooper, Moles, Panos (so now 4 rookie spots)
Draft: Wallis, Liberatore, Faulks, outside quick mid/forward x 1 and then 3 Rookie spots for outside/mids and tall defenders. We look high and low for these guys and some will be mature age.
Pressure for spots
Gilbee, Hargrave, Gia, Minson all need to have pressure on their spots. Roughead and Cordy will I hope combine at various times as the second rucks and Minnow will be back up.
Stack, Hill, Everitt, will need to step up to demand spots in the team. Wallis, Liber, Howard and Tutt will play AFL next year but we can't expect them to dominate. Sammy Reid will be pressing. Hoops will be. Jones should be CHF next year. I also expect improvement from Matt Panos.
Yeah well Pods showed he's not much more than a flat track bully on Friday night.
Eade mentioned we would be active in trade and that Johnno and one or two others would retire
Off List -4
Johnno, Aker, Eagle, Harbrow
Add back Onto List +4
Libber, Wallis, Moles, Hooper
Maybe De-list (at least 3 of these)
Hahn, Tiller, Markovic, Mulligan, Thorne, Callan
Trade Possibilities
Hill, Everitt, Minson, Stack
Trade for
Small pacy forward (Jetta from Essendon)
Outside Midfielder with pace (The Shermanator) although I cant see us having the salary cap for him
Smaller Running Back ?
Off List -4
Johnno, Aker, Eagle, Harbrow
Add back Onto List +4
Libber, Wallis, Moles, Hooper
Maybe De-list (at least 3 of these)
Hahn, Tiller, Markovic, Mulligan, Thorne, Callan
Trade Possibilities
Hill, Everitt, Minson, Stack
Trade for
Small pacy forward (Jetta from Essendon)
Outside Midfielder with pace (The Shermanator) although I cant see us having the salary cap for him
Smaller Running Back ?
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Woops! Thought I had him in. He's a cert.
Grant in for Hooper, Moles or Everitt.
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Out:
Johnson, Akermanis, Eagleton
Maybe:
Hahn, Harbrow,Tiller, Markovic, Mulligan, Thorne
Hargrave for me is the big trade bait. I think Everitt could come in and play a similar role and do it more effectively. I think we could still get a bit for Shaggy.
As for the rest bring on next year.
Johnson, Akermanis, Eagleton
Maybe:
Hahn, Harbrow,Tiller, Markovic, Mulligan, Thorne
Hargrave for me is the big trade bait. I think Everitt could come in and play a similar role and do it more effectively. I think we could still get a bit for Shaggy.
As for the rest bring on next year.
Some good thoughts there although I would probably keep Callan for insurance. Not convinced he cant make it.
Also agree with some posters regarding Boyd and Cross in the same team. Would need to find different role for Boyd because he isnt quick and doesnt have good enough delivery skills for a centreman.
It is interesting that most posters on here have a minimum of changes from our list eg 4-6. I am the odd one out because I can see up to 10 at least.
This is my guess at what the club will do.
SACKED
1 Akermanis
RETIRED
2 Johnno
3 Eagleton
4 Hahn
DELISTED
5 Callan
6 Thorne
7 Markovic
8 Tiller
OFF TO GOLD COAST
9 Harbrow
TRADED OUT
10 Everitt
11 Hill
RETURNING HOME TO WA
12 Stack
And this list doesn't include Boumann or Mulligan who are on shaky ground.
Personally, I want the club to keep Everitt, Stack and Hill because I think they all have talent and we need young talent going forward. But Rocket has no faith in them and I would bet anything that the trifecta won't be with us next season.Which is an indictment on us as a club in one way, but that is another subject for another thread.
As a club we did our best to trade Everitt last year. Hawked him around to all and sundry during trade week, and it only came down to the difference between pick 23 and pick 29, otherwise he would be a saint now and playing in a grand final. From the players point of view, I can also see why Everitt and Hill would want out. Why stay at a club when the coach has no faith in you and doesn't play you for more than a game in a row.
So I will be probably 100% wrong but I can see at least 10 changes in our list.
We also need to remember that next year we are in rebuild mode. There is no point in keeping Hahn on the list, and no point in keeping Callan for 1 or 2 games a year. We are not in premiership mode anymore. We need to invest in picks and players that will be potential premiership players in a few years time, not just VFL players who are handy back ups.
This is my guess at what the club will do.
SACKED
1 Akermanis
RETIRED
2 Johnno
3 Eagleton
4 Hahn
DELISTED
5 Callan
6 Thorne
7 Markovic
8 Tiller
OFF TO GOLD COAST
9 Harbrow
TRADED OUT
10 Everitt
11 Hill
RETURNING HOME TO WA
12 Stack
And this list doesn't include Boumann or Mulligan who are on shaky ground.
Personally, I want the club to keep Everitt, Stack and Hill because I think they all have talent and we need young talent going forward. But Rocket has no faith in them and I would bet anything that the trifecta won't be with us next season.Which is an indictment on us as a club in one way, but that is another subject for another thread.
As a club we did our best to trade Everitt last year. Hawked him around to all and sundry during trade week, and it only came down to the difference between pick 23 and pick 29, otherwise he would be a saint now and playing in a grand final. From the players point of view, I can also see why Everitt and Hill would want out. Why stay at a club when the coach has no faith in you and doesn't play you for more than a game in a row.
So I will be probably 100% wrong but I can see at least 10 changes in our list.
We also need to remember that next year we are in rebuild mode. There is no point in keeping Hahn on the list, and no point in keeping Callan for 1 or 2 games a year. We are not in premiership mode anymore. We need to invest in picks and players that will be potential premiership players in a few years time, not just VFL players who are handy back ups.
Well 5 are gone anyway(assuming Hahn retires and Harbrow goes).
I don't want to lose Hill, Everitt and Stack. I really want to keep them. But I am giving my opinion as to what the club will do. And my guess is that the club will offload them.I outlined the reasons why in my other post. Maybe they will get players back in return. You are also assuming those players want to stay with us.
As to the other four. Well posters on here have said that Thorne is as good as gone. Other posters have said the same about Markovic.
And we are rebuilding from next year. Do you think that Callan and Tiller are going to be premiership players? If so, fine, keep them on the list. But if not, it is just wasting spaces keeping them there. That list space could go to a potential premiership player in the future.
Note also, my list is players who will leave our list. Remember we have upgrades from the rookie list, F/S and probably we will trade for a player or two. So even though 10-12 players exiting sounds a lot, it might not translate to that many draft picks.
One thing we need to consider is the type of player we focus on next year. We need bigger players who can take a contested mark, make a tackle stick and win a one on one contest for the ball.
We were too small against the Saints last night and the Pies two weeks ago. Also we need a CHF and another ruckman, Minson is hopeless and Cordy is going to take time to develop.
Keep Everitt, trade Gia, Hargreave
We were too small against the Saints last night and the Pies two weeks ago. Also we need a CHF and another ruckman, Minson is hopeless and Cordy is going to take time to develop.
Keep Everitt, trade Gia, Hargreave
As far as I know Kelvin has 2 girls, perhaps insert Will Beasley.
I'd initially name those I feel are untradeable, everyone else up for consideration (depending on what's on offer).
Those I wouldn't trade:
Grant, Murphy, Higgins, Ward, Hudson, Griffen, Cooney, Jones, Roughead, Hall, Wood, Lake, Morris & Picken. I'd obviously have Harbrow on that list too if it wasn't for GC17.
There are youngsters such as Howard, Tutt, Prato & Cordy that you just wouldn't consider trading as we really don't know at this stage what they offer.
My worry is our one paced midfielders; Cross, Boyd, Reid, Ward, Libba & Wallis. We need more players with pace & creativity to assist Cooney & Griffen.
I read in an interview he has a son named Tim. Haven't been able to find much on him, but believe it was mentioned he was a forward? Could be wrong but this is what I read.
Will Beasley? Info? When eligible, etc
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Bearing in mind the difficulty with the draft, clubs are going to be extra cautious with trades as well. Those wanting to offer up Gia, Hargrave, Boyd etc
eek: what the...), well, who do you think we'll get for those - Hodge? Judd? Chapman? Clubs will be the same as us, looking to offload out-of-form, out-of-favour, older players, not their gun youngsters. I hear there's a forward up at the Lions who is out of favour...
Think Andrew Lovett, Andrew Raines, Andrew MacDougall, Andrew Wills, Alan Jakovich...and I'm only half way through the "A's"!
Whatever the club do, let's hope they don't go down the Michael Voss path.
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i think we will be right - for all our mistakes, i think our recruiting has been pretty good since 2000 - there have been a few balls ups, but its been pretty good on the whole
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