Who Should Be In The Hall Of Fame, and Who Should Be A Legend?

[Rusty Brookes]

Time has not been kind to his name
"Dick" was not a common term for that part of anatomy back in his day, funnily it was a common name

For sure and I know it's childish but I obviously haven't matured since the age of 12.

BTW - he had quite the career. As I mentioned I do love learning about the history of the game.

 

[BronCrow]

It is a record that exceeds many already in the Hall of Fame:
336 games, 165 goals
12 games for South Australia
5 games for Australia (Int. Rules)
3x Fos Williams Medal (BOG for SA)
2x Premiership player
Norwood Team of the Century (Half Forward Flank)
Won 2x Magarey Medals (during AFL era)

Was also the highest vote-getterfor the Magarey in 1987 but was ineligible due to suspension

 

[BBC1967]

Dick Clay Richmond should be in Hall of Fame.

 

[BronCrow]

Having done a bit more research, Richard was actually his middle name. Sorry to burst the bubble of some.

 

[Mofra]

Kelvin Templeton. Absolute freak.

 

[BronCrow]

Dick Clay Richmond should be in Hall of Fame.

He already is isn't he. If he isn't, hard to argue that he shouldn't be.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Keep saying it but Nicky Winmar should have been in the HOF years ago.

From a Carlton POV, I firmly believe Bruce Doull should be elevated to legend status.

 

[BBC1967]

He already is isn't he. If he isn't, hard to argue that he shouldn't be.

No he is not - four time Premiership player, consistently in top 5 for B and F. Richmond Team of the Centuery member...amazing player and a bad oversight by AFL. Many lesser lights inducted.

 

[BronCrow]

Keep saying it but Nicky Winmar should have been in the HOF years ago.

From a Carlton POV, I firmly believe Bruce Doull should be elevated to legend status.

Agree with you on Winmar, should have been a long time ago.

Don't agree with you on Doull. All of Ebert, Motley, Maurice Rioli, Doig, should be in there ahead of him. There are a few others as well.

 

[BronCrow]

No he is not - four tome Premiership player, consistently in top 5 for B and F. Richmond Team of the Centuery member...amazing player and a bad oversight by AFL. Many lesser lights inducted.

If Bickley can get in, how can't he?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Agree with you on Winmar, should have been a long time ago.

Don't agree with you on Doull. All of Ebert, Motley, Maurice Rioli, Doig, should be in there ahead of him. There are a few others as well.

I cannot speak for Ebert, Motley or Doig (never saw them play) but no way is Maurice Rioli worthy of legend status (With all due respect)

Or at the very least, is not more worthy than Bruce Doull, whose finals/big game record speaks for itself.

 

[BronCrow]

I cannot speak for Ebert, Motley or Doig (never saw them play) but no way is Maurice Rioli worthy of legend status (With all due respect)

Or at the very least, is not more worthy than Bruce Doull, whose finals/big game record speaks for itself.

I am assuming that you did not see Maurice play in Western Australia?

There are many judges that are better than me that will tell you how good he was over there. To the best of my knowledge, he is the only player to have won a Norm Smith Medal and a Simpson Medal.

I wasn't going to insult you by suggesting that Doull wasn't worthy of Legend status, but if he is, so is Maurice.

 

[DAlembert]

Agree with you on Winmar, should have been a long time ago.

Don't agree with you on Doull. All of Ebert, Motley, Maurice Rioli, Doig, should be in there ahead of him. There are a few others as well.

Winmar never.
Doull is better than the rest of the names you mention by the length of the Flemington Staight.

 

[DAlembert]

Keep saying it but Nicky Winmar should have been in the HOF years ago.

From a Carlton POV, I firmly believe Bruce Doull should be elevated to legend status.

Doull is a legend at Carlton and in many supporters eyes me included..but not really an AFL Legend in the grand scheme of things.
Ok you can put a dislike on this because Winmar is not a HOF player.

 

[BronCrow]

Winmar never.
Doull is better than the rest of the names you mention by the length of the Flemington Staight.

Yes, Winmar is.
No, Doull is not. Every player I mentioned with the possible exception of Rioli, is a better player than Doull, with records better than Doull's. Remember, I haven't included Ken Farmer, who is the greatest Full Forward of all time, and it isn't even close.

 

[BF Tiger]

Such as?

The latest inductee for starters, but there are others. Think it needs to be more exclusive.

 

[screech]

Having done a bit more research, Richard was actually his middle name. Sorry to burst the bubble of some.

Henry Richard (Dick) Head (West Adelaide, Sturt, Glenelg)
154 Games, 22 Goals
4x Premiership player
1909 Magarey Medallist
2x Champions of Australia (1908, 1911)
17 State games (SA captain 1913)
South Australian and West Adelaide Halls of Fame
Umpires Appointment Board member 1931-1940 (death)

Sadly, if you swapped the names West Adelaide, Sturt and Glenelg for Melbourne, Carlton and St Kilda he would already be there. Will probably never get inducted as he would need Jack Dyer/Leigh Matthews/Dick Reynolds type stats to be considered just because he played on the wrong side of the border, albeit in the best team in the land at the time.

 

[masai]

Macca played arguably his best football before the Crows joined. Was the highest vote getter in the 1987 Magarey but was ineligible. Had also won 2 premierships before the AFL era. His inclusion is a no brainer. There is no knock on his career.

Prior to the start of the AFL, Macca & TI were starring and proving it at interstate level.

Anyway, I always apply the AFL's "Bickley Rule". As I said earlier, Macca would eat Bickley for breakfast.

 

[masai]

Keep saying it but Nicky Winmar should have been in the HOF years ago.

From a Carlton POV, I firmly believe Bruce Doull should be elevated to legend status.

Forget about the AFL Hall of Fame, he's already a legend in most old codgers eyes.

Head sweat bands and Helen Domico, not too be seen again.

 

[Pessimistic]

If you were good enough to be selected in four or more (VFL) premiership teams, but got no individual accolade outside your club

B Beckwith (Mel 5) L Mithen (Mel 5) H Romney (Coll 5)
M Pike (NM,Bris L 4) C Mew (Haw 5) J Kennedy jr (Haw 4)
M Grace (Carl,Fitz 4) J Beveridge (Coll 4) H Cheswass (Coll 4)
F Murphy (Coll 4) C Dibbs (Coll 5) B Makeham (Coll 4)
G Buckenara (Haw 4) Hammond (Carl 5) F Adams (Coll 4)
G Claydon (Coll 4) I Ridley (Mel 5) B Libbis (coll 4)

Int: Birchall Lewis Roughead Burgoyne from Hawks:
assume Hodge Mitchell Rioli will be in sometime , or got individual awards already

(presses 'post' awaits inevitable mistakes being raised)

 

[DAlembert]

Yes, Winmar is.
No, Doull is not. Every player I mentioned with the possible exception of Rioli, is a better player than Doull, with records better than Doull's. Remember, I haven't included Ken Farmer, who is the greatest Full Forward of all time, and it isn't even close.

You are a South Australian so I forgive you(many will not). Most people would regard Doull's record as impeccable and "Legendary" at Carlton...Great player in the true sense of the word. Rioli had his moments and played well in big games..but so did Doull and more often. Motley's career was done by 22 due to tragic circumstances. The other two you mention are players from long ago. Does not diminish their achievements which are outstanding.
It has to be said that the Tier 1 League was the VFL not the SA or WA Leagues. These are Tier 2 Leagues and do not carry as much weight as the VFL.
I watched football in both these states in the 70's and can say without fear the standard was below VFL whilst not denying there were very good players in them. Just not the depth of the VFL. Ken Farmer is the greatest FF of all time.......in SA.

 

[Pessimistic]

Or 3 timers who might not get in HOF or similar:
S Hart M Michael B Stratton*
C Ling J Gibson D White
I Smith J Kelly B Hill*
L Bruest* D Hale A Mackie
J Gunston* A Lynch P Puopolo*
C Keating L Sheils* J Corey

9 hawks but this is just because there were more 3x hawks players than cats or lions, so more will miss HOF

 

[BronCrow]

You are a South Australian so I forgive you(many will not). Most people would regard Doull's record as impeccable and "Legendary" at Carlton...Great player in the true sense of the word. Rioli had his moments and played well in big games..but so did Doull and more often. Motley's career was done by 22 due to tragic circumstances. The other two you mention are players from long ago. Does not diminish their achievements which are outstanding.
It has to be said that the Tier 1 League was the VFL not the SA or WA Leagues. These are Tier 2 Leagues and do not carry as much weight as the VFL.
I watched football in both these states in the 70's and can say without fear the standard was below VFL whilst not denying there were very good players in them. Just not the depth of the VFL. Ken Farmer is the greatest FF of all time.......in SA.

I am proud to be a South Australian. Not an insult as far as I am concerned.

As for the rest of your post, it has lost all credibility due to you talking about Peter Motley. It would be quite clear to every other person on here that I was referring to his father Geof. Look up his record.

See yourself out.


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[BBC1967]

If you were good enough to be selected in four or more (VFL) premiership teams, but got no individual accolade outside your club

B Beckwith (Mel 5) L Mithen (Mel 5) H Romney (Coll 5)
M Pike (NM,Bris L 4) C Mew (Haw 5) J Kennedy jr (Haw 4)
M Grace (Carl,Fitz 4) J Beveridge (Coll 4) H Cheswass (Coll 4)
F Murphy (Coll 4) C Dibbs (Coll 5) B Makeham (Coll 4)
G Buckenara (Haw 4) Hammond (Carl 5) F Adams (Coll 4)
G Claydon (Coll 4) I Ridley (Mel 5) B Libbis (coll 4)

Int: Birchall Lewis Roughead Burgoyne from Hawks:
assume Hodge Mitchell Rioli will be in sometime , or got individual awards already

(presses 'post' awaits inevitable mistakes being raised)

What individual accolades outside your club? Not all HOF have won a Brownlow or Coleman medal.

 

[Pessimistic]

What individual accolades outside your club? Not all HOF have won a Brownlow or Coleman medal.

HOF itself. I'm not making a point, discussing numbers, dates etc. Theres plenty of deserving HOFers who dont have premierships