Iceman!
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That is some pretty terrible logic...
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Seems that way at 1st.
But when you look at all threads, Geelong supporters think they have better players than Richmond overall.
So yes Dusty got his team to a gf, then won it, Danger didn't.
Those first three minutes are absolutely terrible! I was certain it was made by a troll and burst out laughing by the Mackie marked it. Then the video seemed to get legit around the 4th quarter. Weird.
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The Goon
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Trying to split them is a fools errand. Both Danger’s ‘16 and Dusty’s ‘17 were exceptional, and both clearly the best in those years.
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You just seem a bit to intelligent for one
*too
yep. still cant count it as a full season. danger played with broken ribs for a month this year then a stuffed foot for another month. still racked up 33 brownlow votes and managed to turn himself into a part time forward to compensate with injury.
I think we should really compare the two on the MCG since that's where the big games are played.
Sttew
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This!
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My point
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Came into this thread leaning towards Danger, but Cats fans have been even more obnoxious than the Richmond supporters (which I scarcely thought possible) so Martin all the way.
Hard to argue with Martin's accolades, even if you thought Houli was better on GF day he still played a very influential game which to me, if you were rating a season, you'd take that any day.
Agree with the posts about Fyfe, there were patches of his 2015 that were as dominant as I've ever seen and think if Freo went all the way that season Fyfe's year would have been better than the other two's.
Hard to argue with Martin's accolades, even if you thought Houli was better on GF day he still played a very influential game which to me, if you were rating a season, you'd take that any day.
Agree with the posts about Fyfe, there were patches of his 2015 that were as dominant as I've ever seen and think if Freo went all the way that season Fyfe's year would have been better than the other two's.
Dangerfield played for a month with broken ribs and missed a match due to suspension and he still was only a couple of votes behind Martin in the Brownlow.
Dangerfield would have won the Brownlow if he was fit all year like Martin was. Little doubt in that assumption that over the 6 games he was injured and suspended he would have picked up the required votes.
Much more powerful and explosive than Martin and a lot more dangerous in front of goal than Martin is. Dangerfield would win the Coleman medal at FF for the year.
They are both amazing players thought and tbh I couldn’t really care all too much about which is better. Watch Nat Fyfe come back into the conversation by mid season.
Heck I will go one step further with my Geelong cap and say Nakia cockatoo is ready to explode into the top 20 players in the AFL in 18, watch out for him
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Danger did not play with “broken ribs”
My mistake, he injured the muscle in between the ribs that caused a lot of pain swelling and restriction which required a guard to be worn.
Point is he was severely restricted in his movement power and agility and was way below best.
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They all play with injuries at one time or another mate and none of them ever use it for an excuse
Reason freo didnt go all the way was due to injury to fyfe in the last 8 games, then a broken leg in the prelim. He carried our team hard to 9 straight wins at the beginning of the season.
Prove it? Both players are fast, strong players capable of breaking tackles. I don't see much difference between the two in these two aspects.
Again, prove it? Dangerfield played more games this year as a permanent forward than Martin, who never played a full game in the forwardline, and still only kicked eight more goals. I don't see him as a lot more dangerous, in fact, Martin is one of the best, if not the best one-on-one players in forwardline situations. I think he'd be a matchup nightmare if he played up forward permanently.
Puts some of your other calls on Martin and Dangerfield in perspective just quietly.
Not with his injury they don’t.
How many players in the AFL would get selected when they are at about 60-70% capacity??
He was only playing because at 60-70% he is still good enough to contribute.
If he didn’t get injured or suspended he would have had the Brownlow, simple really.
Dangerfield didn’t play games as a permanent forward? Where do you get this from? He rested up forward the exact same as Martin did and despite missing a game through suspension and playing 5 weeks with a very restrictive rib injury he still managed to kick more goals.
I didn’t have stats, although I am sure if there is a 20 m sprint stat I am quite confident Dangerfield would come out ontop.
If you have stats you can share them; but from watching the both of them a lot it looks easily like Dangerfield is more explosive and quick, better contested ball winner, and a lot more dangerous one out up forward. Has a better run and leap than Martin as well.
Martin is a better kick and ball user on the outside will definitely say that.
Not talking about niggles, it wasn’t a niggle. Most players would have been out for about a month with that injury. They just wouldn’t be able to perform to the required standard.
Dr Tigris
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Seriously!!! Both are super stars! Any team at any time would be ecstatic to have either of them. Danger is far more explosive, a better high mark and can tear a game up on his own. Dusty is the most untacklable player ever, has exquisite skills and is an ultimate team player - adding value to his team mates beyond what he brings.
I'd prefer Dusty, probably because I'm a Tiger fan. But every time I see Danger he just has that amazing ability to take the game on in a way that makes the opposition seem like traffic cones. The only thing that drops Danger for me is his kicking. If he had Dusty's skill I reckon he'd be close to lock for GOAT. Dusty does a lot more for the team, which I love love love.
It's like arguing about whether a Laborghini or Ferrari is better. Pointless.
I'd prefer Dusty, probably because I'm a Tiger fan. But every time I see Danger he just has that amazing ability to take the game on in a way that makes the opposition seem like traffic cones. The only thing that drops Danger for me is his kicking. If he had Dusty's skill I reckon he'd be close to lock for GOAT. Dusty does a lot more for the team, which I love love love.
It's like arguing about whether a Laborghini or Ferrari is better. Pointless.
I said the opposite, Dangerfield played more games as a permanent forward than Martin. Martin never played pure forward for an entire game like Dangerfield did against the hawks.
And I think five weeks is overselling it. I think you also have an inflated sense of the term a lot. A lot implies they're in different tiers, whereas instead, their records reflect the fact that they play different roles for their team.
You don't have the stats yet you're willing to say he's a lot more explosive? I know that's how a lot of people on bigfooty argue but it's not how someone should argue.
According to top end sports, Martin's 20 meter sprint times for the AFL combine were 2.89, Dangerfield ran a 2.92. Both players are lightning quick and I'd say saying that either is a lot more explosive is nonsense. They're probably roughly the same speed wise. They both also have a good initial first step, which is helped by the fact that they're both strong and agile.
http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results-2007.htm
http://www.topendsports.com/sport/afl/testing-draft-results-2009.htm
Just as an aside, I found this out through a quick google search, it's not that hard.
Dangerfield has a better leap, partly due to the fact that he's taller, but I don't see that as proof that he's more powerful or explosive (I mean I don't even know what you mean by those things, it sounds like you're comparing hand grenades).
As for dangerous one-out up forward, Martin is, statistically, one of the best one-on-one players in the league.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/d70112f1050eec192d265017f39223bb
That article is from 2014, but nothing has changed. I honestly can't remember too many times Martin has been beaten one-on-one.
Dangerfield wins more contested ball, but that's often a result of the gameplan as anything, and I doubt anyone thinks Martin couldn't increase his CP stats. He plays more outside because...
Which is why he wins a lot of outside ball, because the team puts him outside a lot.
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