Who will adopt the choker tag?

[Syd]

L U C K pure and simple, Sydney had it we did not, lets see how the afl's basket case goes this year shall we???

Yes, of course its luck.

An excellent training regime, top line coaching, hard work and team ethic had nothing to do with it....

Lets see how far your clubs culture carries your mob this year shall we.

 

[Count Zero]

...But a bit presumptuous dont you think, to state that Sydney "should have won" against a team that put together 3 successive Premierships?...

Yeah. Nobody could do that....

 

[Saintsfan]

Was there not another young ruckman, traded away by your club because he wanted a bigger paypack?

Was this the same one that did not get a possession in the previous prelim?? The one that got the tigers to the finals??

Charming, educated & well articulated reply...

I wont stoop to your level. In fact, I hope you can get another Premiership in the next hundred years to add to the one you already have.

Not stooping at all, all the noise from Sydney is how wonderful Roos is with his list, I would like to see if he can do half as good with the players missing that Thomas had, The one thing Sydney had in its favour last year was LUCK with injuries, most of the other teams in the finals had lost important players to injury, the cats, the saints, the eagles all lost players that would normally be in their starting 22, most of them actually in the games they eventually lost to the swans, you can keep harping the point that you won the prelim, most real footy fans would argue you got it by default, even by cheating perhaps when your homeground was flooded to minimise the effect a much classier team would have over your plodders.

The Swans basically afl funded, and lucky to play teams with out the best players available

 

[Saintsfan]

Yes, of course its luck.

An excellent training regime, top line coaching, hard work and team ethic had nothing to do with it....

Lets see how far your clubs culture carries your mob this year shall we.

top line coaching pffffft watching the swans play is like watching a relative die of cancer except the care factor is removed

 

[Saintsfan]

Yeah. Nobody could do that....

The battle of the afl handouts........... din't you see?? Ball was missing what hope did they have??

 

[Saintsfan]

Yes, of course its luck.

An excellent training regime, top line coaching, hard work and team ethic had nothing to do with it....

Lets see how far your clubs culture carries your mob this year shall we.

Oh so the year before when you lost the final because jason ball couldn't play was because of a pathetic training regime, crap coaching, soft team ethic and lack of work by the players??? wow how wonderful it all turned around so much in 12 months,

oh the culture barb, zap ooh

 

[Blues_Man]

LMFAO - the Crows have won two premierships since your last!!!

I mean seriously, how deluded (or ignorant) are you lemmings?

And tell us how many premierships your club has won since we won our last 6 or 7 ??
talk about delusions of grandeur ...pffft come back when your team actually wins one

 

[Syd]

....you can keep harping the point that you won the prelim, most real footy fans would argue you got it by default, even by cheating perhaps...

Remind me, what was that free kick count during the PF again?

McLaren & Goldspink had given it 13-2 in your favour at one point.

If you want to argue the "leg up" bit.....

...even by cheating perhaps when your homeground was flooded to minimise the effect a much classier team would have over your plodders.

Thankfully the AFL moved both the PF and GF to the SCG just to suit us. After all, aren't we the lovechild??

...and lucky to play teams with out the best players available

Who were West Coast missing in week 1 and the GF of note?
Who were Geelong missing in week 2 of note?

Keep clutching at straws and eventually you might grasp one firmly.

 

[Syd]

top line coaching pffffft watching the swans play is like watching a relative die of cancer except the care factor is removed

You really are struggling.

 

[JeffDunne]

And tell us how many premierships your club has won since we won our last 6 or 7 ??
talk about delusions of grandeur ...pffft come back when your team actually wins one

The "come back when you've won one" line always puzzles me.

Do you mean supporters of clubs that haven't won a flag for many years would know nothing about winning premierships (despite their football credentials)? Or that these supporters have no right to talk about teams that have (or both)?

If the answer is "yes" to one or all of those questions . . . then my replay is . . . LMFAO!!!!


Tell me BM . . . if your club know so much about winning them . . . why have they become perianal cellar dwellers and a rabble? Maybe the supporters (given they know so much about premierships) should send Ian & Denis an email or two telling them what they're doing wrong . . .oh that's right . . . they already know all about winning premierships, don't they?

 

[Saintsfan]

You really are struggling.

nope, it's a given, team ethic aside most afl fans would rather bathe in acid than watch the swans play, the bitter pill to the whole story is how they fell into a premiership, good luck and an abundance of sprinkler work they should give the groundsman a premiership medal, he was the most important player in the finals

 

[Joffaboy]

Can only be a choker if you are a favourite or you are in an unassailable lead and get beaten.

Neither geelong or St.Kilda have been favourite in the past two years with neither team finishing higher than third after the H&A rounds.

If you want to take other criteria, look at JD's table.

Another is the number of GF's or finals lost in succession. that would have to be Geelong with 10 straight GF losses in night and day premierships since 1963. However Geelong would not have go in favourite in hardly any of those games.

Only game i can remeber where geelong should have won a flag was in 92, beong 5 goals up on WCE and losing. But that is hardly a choke, it wasn't in the last quarter or anything.

No the only real chokers have been Port who finished Minor Premier in 2002 & 2003 and couldn't even make a GF.

Rectified in 2004 though.

So before asking who is going to "choke", try understanding the term instead of attempting to bandiing it about for every team that loses a PF. Makes you sound infantile and silly.

A question. Possibly the best team of the 90's was North who won two flags. However they made 7 PF's in a row but only three GF's.

Would anyone call that great team chokers? See how ridiculous the term is when used indiscriminately?

 

[Toots Hibbert]

The "come back when you've won one" line always puzzles me.

Do you mean supporters of clubs that haven't won a flag for many years would know nothing about winning premierships (despite their football credentials)? Or that these supporters have no right to talk about teams that have (or both)?

If the answer is "yes" to one or all of those questions . . . then my replay is . . . LMFAO!!!!


Tell me BM . . . if your club know so much about winning them . . . why have they become perianal clear dwellers and a rabble? Maybe the supporters (given they know so much about premierships) should send Ian & Denis an email or two telling them what they're doing wrong . . .oh that's right . . . they already know all about winning premierships, don't they?

Right blues_man. In you go with your spelling nazi routine. Come on don't let us down. (Hint try not to commit any howlers yourself while you're at it. )

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Can only be a choker if you are a favourite or you are in an unassailable lead and get beaten.

Neither geelong or St.Kilda have been favourite in the past two years with neither team finishing higher than third after the H&A rounds.

If you want to take other criteria, look at JD's table.

Another is the number of GF's or finals lost in succession. that would have to be Geelong with 10 straight GF losses in night and day premierships since 1963. However Geelong would not have go in favourite in hardly any of those games.

Only game i can remeber where geelong should have won a flag was in 92, beong 5 goals up on WCE and losing. But that is hardly a choke, it wasn't in the last quarter or anything.

No the only real chokers have been Port who finished Minor Premier in 2002 & 2003 and couldn't even make a GF.

Rectified in 2004 though.

So before asking who is going to "choke", try understanding the term instead of attempting to bandiing it about for every team that loses a PF. Makes you sound infantile and silly.

A question. Possibly the best team of the 90's was North who won two flags. However they made 7 PF's in a row but only three GF's.

Would anyone call that great team chokers? See how ridiculous the term is when used indiscriminately?

Well Adelaide did that in 2005.

 

[JeffDunne]

Right blues_man. In you go with your spelling nazi routine. Come on don't let us down. (Hint try not to commit any howlers yourself while you're at it. )

The "p" word was intentional . . . the other . . .

 

[Bleed Red Cheer]

Saints. Gehrig can barely stay awake for four quarters, he is so disinterested.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Interesting when you look at finals performances over the last 10 seasons I think it's clear who the real chokers in September are.

             P  W L D     %
Bris Lions  19 14 5 0 73.68 
Essendon    18 10 8 0 55.56  
Kangaroos   17 11 6 0 64.71  
Adelaide    17 10 7 0 58.82  
Sydney      16  8 8 0 50.00  
Port Adel   14  6 8 0 42.86 
West Coast  13  4 9 0 [B]30.77[/B] 
Carlton     11  4 7 0 36.36  
Melbourne   10  5 5 0 50.00  
St Kilda    10  4 6 0 40.00  
Geelong      9  2 7 0 [B]22.22[/B]  
W Bulldogs   7  2 5 0 [B]28.57[/B]  
Collingwood  6  4 2 0 66.67  
Hawthorn     6  3 3 0 50.00  
Bris Bears   3  2 1 0 66.67 
Richmond     3  1 2 0 33.33 
Fremantle    1  0 1 0  0.00

It would be interesting to see the same stats for the period 1997-2003.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Jeez you people have obviously become real fond of it.

If what you Crowies have been telling us for a few years is true then there can only be one choker per year and that's the side that comes top at the end of the minor round but fails to make the grand final. Last year that was you. This year who knows? If you're lucky the side that comes top will make the GF and you'll get to hang onto the tag.

Didn't Kane say Port don't lose finals, a record of 42% would suggest otherwise. Thank god he's got football becuase basic mathematics seems to be beyond him.

 

[JeffDunne]

It would be interesting to see the same stats for the period 1997-2003.

Of note:

Port Adel P-9 W-2 L-7 % = 22.22

West Coast P-7 W-1 L-6 % = 14.29

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Didn't Kane say Port don't lose finals, a record of 42% would suggest otherwise. Thank god he's got football becuase basic mathematics seems to be beyond him.

Your avoidence of my comment is noted Chokie.

 

[Bestbird]

who were West Coast missing in week 1 and the GF of note?
Who were Geelong missing in week 2 of note?

Keep clutching at straws and eventually you might grasp one firmly.

Not that it matters much as few teams have there best 22 on the park in a Grand Final although Sydney were lucky enough to have the luxury of the same team for the last 8 weeks or so


For WCE

P Matera
M Braun
B Jones
Q Lynch

All played for a great majority of the season but were unavailable

 

[Saintsfan]

Not that it matters much as few teams have there best 22 on the park in a Grand Final although Sydney were lucky enough to have the luxury of the same team for the last 8 weeks or so

And the LUXURY of the afl changing the tribunal laws so big bad barry could play. lovechild anyone?

 

[Syd]

Not that it matters much as few teams have there best 22 on the park in a Grand Final although Sydney were lucky enough to have the luxury of the same team for the last 8 weeks or so


For WCE

P Matera
M Braun
B Jones
Q Lynch

All played for a great majority of the season but were unavailable

But, what had Matera actually produced in the last few finals encuonters and against Sydney in particular?

His absence would have been felt less on GF day than Kosi's during the PF.

The others serviceable no doubt, but neither side had any major players off injured or suspended before the day IMHO.

 

[Syd]

And the LUXURY of the afl changing the tribunal laws so big bad barry could play. lovechild anyone?

FFS, do you actually think before you type??

 

[Saintsfan]

FFS, do you actually think before you type??

handed on a platter anyone, your soft joke of a team got it all the way did it not??? Work ethic, more like AFL directive, let's see if they can win it on their own this year and try to earn at least a little respect from the wider footy community....