Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

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We toughed it out and managed to grind out the win, against a Roos team that have shown great improvement in recent weeks.

We'll need to improve on our more recent performances to win the flag, but that improvement is definitely in us.

The last time we were second on the ladder at this time of the year was back in 2000! I wouldn't trade places with Collingwood for all the tea in China.

Believe me you are going to fall off the cliff big time over the next few years, ala the West Coast Eagles after winning a flash in the pan flag.:laughv1:
 
Irish BlueBagger said:
We toughed it out and managed to grind out the win, against a Roos team that have shown great improvement in recent weeks.

We'll need to improve on our more recent performances to win the flag, but that improvement is definitely in us.

The last time we were second on the ladder at this time of the year was back in 2000! I wouldn't trade places with Collingwood for all the tea in China.

Believe me you are going to fall off the cliff big time over the next few years, ala the West Coast Eagles after winning a flash in the pan flag.:laughv1:
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'Ground out the win' = 'needed umpire intervention to get us over the line'.

Last time Blues were 2nd at this time of the year was in 2000? What happened in that year, and for the following two decades?
 

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Fadge said:
Say that again...
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You need to start planning to bottom out from next year onwards, before the Tassie team comes in and compromises the draft!

You won your flash in the pan flag, but the cupboard is empty. You saved nothing for that rainy day!

I'd rather not cash all my chips at the casino on landing a one off flag. I'd rather put strong foundations in place to win multiple flags which Carlton are currently doing.
 
Irish BlueBagger said:
Believe me you are going to fall off the cliff big time over the next few years, ala the West Coast Eagles after winning a flash in the pan flag.:laughv1:
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Collingwood's 2023 premiership was a 'flash in the pan' after playing in 6 Grand Finals and 5 other Preliminary Final in the 22 seasons between 2002 and 2023?

Keep tying yourselves in knots....
 
Irish BlueBagger said:
You need to start planning to bottom out from next year onwards, before the Tassie team comes in and compromises the draft!

You won your flash in the pan flag, but the cupboard is empty. You saved nothing for that rainy day!

I'd rather not cash all my chips at the casino on landing a one off flag. I'd rather put strong foundations in place to win multiple flags which Carlton are currently doing.
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Carlton supporters telling other clubs they 'need to bottom out'.

Yeah, I'm sure we'd all like to go about it the sane way Carlton has for the past two plus decades...
 
Worm4 said:
Surely pies aren't giving away 1st round picks currently on the back of a kid who might turn into another Callum Brown ?
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No but it might mean we trade future picks to get back into this seasons draft knowing we have one of the best picks in next years draft

Who knows, one things for sure, they know more then us, we traded very well 2 seasons ago and it got us a flag straight away.
 
beerbandit said:
At least in 2025, looks like a potential top 5 pick in McGuane as a FS for Collingwood.

Now I know you Blue Boys will try and claim him, but even Mick looked shite in the Blue M&Ms jumper.
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Ah, Collingwood. Short-cutting their way through the modern era by F/S & academy selections.

Bravo. Powerhouse stuff.
 
Fadge said:
'Ground out the win' = 'needed umpire intervention to get us over the line'.

Last time Blues were 2nd at this time of the year was in 2000? What happened in that year, and for the following two decades?
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It's getting pretty pathetic now - the umpires had no impact on the result. It was a poorly umpired game both ways - unfortunately we don't get the benefit of thousands of "neutrals" to point that out.
 
Fadge said:
Carlton supporters telling other clubs they 'need to bottom out'.

Yeah, I'm sure we'd all like to go about it the sane way Carlton has for the past two plus decades...
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I seriously dont have enough years in me to do a Carlton.

I saw a P plater driving around with a Carlton sticker on his car and I thought "poor bloke hasn't seen a flag.
Has seen multiple spoons though :p .

One can only hope he bought the ute with the sticker on it and just hasn't had time to remove it.
 

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carlton_99 said:
It's getting pretty pathetic now - the umpires had no impact on the result. It was a poorly umpired game both ways - unfortunately we don't get the benefit of thousands of "neutrals" to point that out.
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'The umpires had no impact on the result'...

North 7 points down with 5 minutes to go and a clear holding the ball free kick in their forward line not paid to them.

Ball goes up the other end - dubious free kick followed by dubious 50m penalty. Goal to Carlton.

A dubious free kick to Harry immediately after. Goal.

Game over

But 'umpires had no impact'.
 
Fadge said:
'The umpires had no impact on the result'...

North 7 points down with 5 minutes to go and a clear holding the ball free kick in their forward line not paid to them.

Ball goes up the other end - dubious free kick followed by dubious 50m penalty. Goal to Carlton.

A dubious free kick to Harry immediately after. Goal.

Game over

But 'umpires had no impact'.
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Reads a bit like your gifted last five against Brisbane in teh fake GF last year eh?

or should I say you are so full of guilt over that - you like to contort every game through that cracked lens.

dirtybirders are cheating wobblers - everyone knows that.
 
Fadge said:
'The umpires had no impact on the result'...

North 7 points down with 5 minutes to go and a clear holding the ball free kick in their forward line not paid to them.

Ball goes up the other end - dubious free kick followed by dubious 50m penalty. Goal to Carlton.

A dubious free kick to Harry immediately after. Goal.

Game over

But 'umpires had no impact'.
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You have just shown yourself to not understand the HTB rule.

Kennedy picks up the ball and immediately tries to kick it. As he has no prior opportunity all he has to do is make a genuine attempt to get rid of it which he does. Whether he is successful or not is irrelevant to the rule.

The LDU HTB was clear because he tried to evade the tackle by lifting his arms over it. As he had prior he must correctly dispose of the ball which he clearly didn't. The umpire blows the whistle twice and the North player continued playing on. If you flip the teams nobody is complaining about that 50m.

And then "dubious free kick to Harry" - you have to be kidding.

I'm not even going to bring up the countless incorrect decisions/non-decisions the other way that you will of course fail to mention as it doesn't suit your agenda. Again a poorly umpired game both ways.
 
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Fadge said:
You are kidding yourself if you think you understand the HTB rule, let alone predict how each umpire will 'interpret' it.
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I agree the umpires are inconsistent in their interpretations which is why I go back to the rule itself. The one thing we have both agreed in the past is the poor umpiring standard in the modern day.

There were decisions for North to feel aggrieved with (i.e., Moltop unrealistic attempt and Fisher HTB) which is why I said the umpiring was poor both ways all game. As usual you didnt take into account the other side (as it is Carlton) like the North goal in the last that came from a clear throw, the missed high tackle on Curnow in our F50, the missed clear HTBs on Xerri and Ford.

And that is just off the top of my head there were countless others both ways.
 
carlton_99 said:
I agree the umpires are inconsistent in their interpretations which is why I go back to the rule itself. The one thing we have both agreed in the past is the poor umpiring standard in the modern day.

There were decisions for North to feel aggrieved with (i.e., Moltop unrealistic attempt, Fisher HTB) which is why I said the umpiring was poor both ways all game.
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It doesn't change the fact North were extremely hard done by when it mattered most.
 
Fadge said:
It doesn't change the fact North were extremely hard done by when it mattered most.
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So North's goal in the last that came from a direct throw doesn't matter? It's a 120 minute game decisions throughout have an impact

 
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