Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

[carlton_99]

I thought you just explained the new holding the ball rule?

Or should it have been 'interpreted' differently on this occasion?

What I explained was not the new rule it's the rule that's been there for ages. All that's happened is an increased emphasis on "making a genuine attempt to correctly dispose of the football". This Simpkin one is just a throw - there is no attempt to correctly dispose of the ball. If he tried to handball and his fist missed the ball its play on but that's not what happened.

Again you can go through the game and find 30 others that were wrong both ways - each of them have an impact.

 

[Arr0w]

So North's goal in the last that came from a direct throw doesn't matter? It's a 120 minute game decisions throughout have an impact

Fadge is in full deflection mode, now blaming umpiring decisions which contradicts earlier stance, along with injuries and the draw

 

[JustaBattler]

Fadge is in full deflection mode, now blaming umpiring decisions which contradicts earlier stance, along with injuries and the draw

Warming up for the 'dead rubber' game coming up.

 

[Fadge]

What I explained was not the new rule it's the rule that's been there for ages. All that's happened is an increased emphasis on "making a genuine attempt to correctly dispose of the football". This Simpkin one is just a throw - there is no attempt to correctly dispose of the ball. If he tried to handball and his fist missed the ball its play on but that's not what happened.

Again you can go through the game and find 30 others that were wrong both ways - each of them have an impact.

Stop tying yourself in knots.

Carlton were kissed on the you know what, and not for the first time this year.

Good thing we have a finals system to expose pretenders like Carlton.

 

[carlton_99]

Stop tying yourself in knots.

Carlton were kissed on the you know what, and not for the first time this year.

In no way have I "tied myself in knots". You just don't have anything to counter with.

 

[carlton_99]

Good thing we have a finals system to expose pretenders like Carlton.

You had us finishing 16th earlier this year so surely making finals would be a massive achievement in your eyes. "Pretenders" is an odd thing to describe a team that finish at least 8 spots higher than your prediction if we make it

 

[NetworkNerd]

Not over yet.
Collingwood can still finish on top and Carlton can still miss the 8

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Ok then can you give me your 2025 Top 5 draft please

Don't have to name a top 5 as it will change based on form and availability through the season, but I've watched enough draftees in my time to know a 177cm average-ordinary athlete, no matter the natural footballing IQ is not going top 5 lmao. He's small, average paced and doesn't have an overly piercing kick. He's basically the Aldi brand Zeke Uwlund.

If you think he's going to come in and save the dire situation your list is in then good luck to ya campaigner

 

[RPCB]

Collingwood's 2023 premiership was a 'flash in the pan' after playing in 6 Grand Finals and 5 other Preliminary Final in the 22 seasons between 2002 and 2023?

Keep tying yourselves in knots....

The last 25 years for Carlton have been a ‘flash in the pan’ after playing in 13 Grand Finals and winning 8 flags in the previous 31 years.

Relevance to 2024?

 

[Franc de Borges]

'The umpires had no impact on the result'...

North 7 points down with 5 minutes to go and a clear holding the ball free kick in their forward line not paid to them.

Ball goes up the other end - dubious free kick followed by dubious 50m penalty. Goal to Carlton.

A dubious free kick to Harry immediately after. Goal.

Game over

But 'umpires had no impact'.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Stop tying yourself in knots.

Carlton were kissed on the you know what, and not for the first time this year.

Good thing we have a finals system to expose pretenders like Carlton.

It’s an even better thing that we have AFL games each week to expose Collingwood.

 

[Robertio]

'Ground out the win' = 'needed umpire intervention to get us over the line'.

Last time Blues were 2nd at this time of the year was in 2000? What happened in that year, and for the following two decades?

Here we are again talking about the last 2 decades , you've got nothing else i suppose who would want to talk about now if your team is near the bottom.

 

[Robertio]

You are kidding yourself if you think you understand the HTB rule, let alone predict how each umpire will 'interpret' it.

Umpire bashing again, sad to see.

 

[Robertio]

Fadge is in full deflection mode, now blaming umpiring decisions which contradicts earlier stance, along with injuries and the draw

He's done a complete turnaround lol.

 

[Arr0w]

It's all unravelling

 

[Arr0w]

He's done a complete turnaround lol.

Fairly predictable

Another year of under predicting our output, continuing to back down a narrow lane and now deflecting to previous years as a coping mechanism

It's hilarious

 

[Fadge]

Don't have to name a top 5 as it will change based on form and availability through the season, but I've watched enough draftees in my time to know a 177cm average-ordinary athlete, no matter the natural footballing IQ is not going top 5 lmao. He's small, average paced and doesn't have an overly piercing kick. He's basically the Aldi brand Zeke Uwlund.

If you think he's going to come in and save the dire situation your list is in then good luck to ya campaigner

So he's not going to grow as a 16/17/18 year old?

By the way, Nick Watson says hello.

 

[Fadge]

Here we are again talking about the last 2 decades , you've got nothing else i suppose who would want to talk about now if your team is near the bottom.

'Nothing else'... except the most recent two decades....

LOL.

 

[Fadge]

Here we are again talking about the last 2 decades , you've got nothing else i suppose who would want to talk about now if your team is near the bottom.

Carlton didn't even have recent history to revert to when their team spent two decades flipping between 8th and wooden spooners.

 

[Fadge]

It’s an even better thing that we have AFL games each week to expose Collingwood.

The same games that have exposed Carlton for the past two decades, and has only recently changed because the umpires have decided to have an influence.

And yet they still haven't been a 'contender' since 1999.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So he's not going to grow as a 16/17/18 year old?

By the way, Nick Watson says hello.

Nick Watson was an athletic phenom in terms of speed, agility, endurance and vertical leap, he just happened to be very short too. He also plays as a small forward not as an inside mid at the next level.

McGuane is a bog ordinary athlete with good footskills.

As I said, if Pies fans think he's going to save the list from collapse then goodluck to you

 

[Fadge]

McGuane is a bog ordinary athlete with good footskills.

So like Sam Mitchell?

We'll take that.

 

[Arr0w]

 

[bradfisher14]

 

[Robertio]

Carlton didn't even have recent history to revert to when their team spent two decades flipping between 8th and wooden spooners.

Lets talk about the current season mate, you are sounding like the drunk old man in the corner of the pub reliving the past. Currently Carlton are 2nd Pies are 13th and talking about the last 2 decades isn't going to change that.