That's your opinion is guess.
Carlton limped into finals last year, but low and behold, are 3rd favourites for this years flag. I guess weight of numbers suggest you are of the minority in relation to our list not getting any better
Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn
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Carlton limped into finals last year, but low and behold, are 3rd favourites for this years flag. I guess weight of numbers suggest you are of the minority in relation to our list not getting any better
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We were sitting 2nd in Round 19. Our issues in the back half of the year were largely due to lack of forward half pressure and an unbalanced midfield which were exacerbated further in that Hawthorn game when we lost 5 players to injury. So injury in the back half of the year had an impact but our slide in form was not primarily due to that.
In fact, before that point we had lost those two players to ACLs plus had a whole host of other injuries throughout. Pretty sure we were top 2 for games missed due to injury for most of the year. And despite that we were still winning. And it wasn't because of players who left in the trade/delisting period that you would consider "depth" (Marchbank, Cunginham and Martin) as they were unavailable for the vast majority of the season.
A bit of critical thinking required here...
Carlton were indeed 2nd, but only 1 game separated 2nd and 9th, and Carlton were 3 games behind top placed Sydney.
By that stage of the season, Carlton had already had 4 games against Richmond and North Melbourne.
So Carlton may have been second at that stage, but were far from the second best team in the competition, as was played out over the following weeks...
I'm not going to discuss this with you ( again) as we don't share the same opinion
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That sounds like an opinion not a fact. And a team dropping off in form doesn't mean what they were doing before that wasn't representative of their ladder position.
The whole point of the H+A season is to finish as high as possible on the ladder as it should in theory give you the best possible chance of winning a flag. If you are 2nd by one game or three games it really doesn't matter.
Interesting you brought up odds in your previous post - pretty sure Carlton were 2nd in flag odds behind Sydney in the period where they were sitting in 2nd. So clearly people did think we were one of the better chances of winning it at that point.
Critical thinking- who did hawthorn have double ups against last season ?
Mmm
Really?
Carlton being a single game ahead of 9th after round 19, after having already played 4 games against two teams that won a combined total of 5 games for the full year, is 'opinion'?
Conversely, Collingwood had played 1 game against the same two teams, at the same stage of the season, for example...
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It is an opinion that Carlton were not the 2nd best team in the AFL at that point which is what you said. You brought up premiership odds earlier - what were they saying when Carlton were 2nd?
History has shown us Carlton weren't the second best team in the competition at that point, regardless of how much money deluded Carlton supporters were dropping on their team for the premiership...
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The same guy who says we lack star power and depth couldn’t even fit Breust and Gunston into the side.
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"History" has nothing to do with how Carlton were playing at that time.
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But I don't disagree with this? Where have I said otherwise?
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Not one person has said it is not plausible for Hawthorn to be better than Carlton. Not sure where that has come from.
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I've maintained the Hawks best 22 is deep, but the depth on the sidelines if injuries were to strike is big ordinary.
Haven't changed my tune one bit on that
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Stat and player ratings comparisons didn't hold much weight given Moore spent quite a lot of time as a KPF when he first came in and came in a couple years earlier than Weitering, so I omitted them.
Over the last 3-4 years I believe Moore edges out Weitering on the of them according to player ratings. Haven't bothered checking the stats for each season.
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Where did I say you did disagree? I referred to the ‘rocket scientist’ comment in your quote. I added a relevant post to the thread and used your comment as a segue.
You lot need to read the posts 5-10 times or get an adult to help you understand before replying.
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Everyone knew Blues were pretenders because we'd played West Coast and North already! Never mind Kingsley either stating that he believed the Blues to be the best team in it when he came up against us in round 17.
‘Swans, Blues, daylight’: Breathtaking win has ‘main event Carlton’ now ‘primed for a charge’
‘Daylight to the rest’: Breathtaking win has ‘main event Carlton’ now ‘primed for a charge’
www.foxsports.com.au
Because they are both ordinary and wouldn’t get a game during the three peat sideThe same guy who says we lack star power and depth couldn’t even fit Breust and Gunston into the side.
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Both will likely be off the list in 12 months time, would you disagree?Because they are both ordinary and wouldn’t get a game during the three peat side
No doubt it sold some clicks for Foxsports....Everyone knew Blues were pretenders because we'd played West Coast and North already! Never mind Kingsley either stating that he believed the Blues to be the best team in it when he came up against us in round 17.
‘Swans, Blues, daylight’: Breathtaking win has ‘main event Carlton’ now ‘primed for a charge’
‘Daylight to the rest’: Breathtaking win has ‘main event Carlton’ now ‘primed for a charge’www.foxsports.com.au
And it was North and Richmond...twice each.
Remember you went into your match against West Coast later in the season as gross underdogs?
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Crystal ball stuff talking about now and this year ……. would Gunners and Bruest get a game at the Blues? Stupid question of course not as Blues are stacked in these areas. But these guys are Hawks depth today!!!!!!!! Ordinary as you call them. And non of our average at best mids would get a game at the Blues either!
And re Jagga playing round 1 that would never happen at the Hawks as we develop the kids to make sure they are not thrown into the fire. Bit of desperation by Blues if they play him as he is thin and lightly built. Having said that if he plays rd1 and plays well impacts early I will take my hat off to him and wish him the best.
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Going on form (end of last year) and game style I put Hawks ahead. BUT...if the baggers can regain some form form early last season...and have a decent run with injuries for once...than I can see us having a better season.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out between these two teams.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out between these two teams.
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