Who will be better in 2025 - Geelong or Hawthorn?

[WalshistheGOAT]

That neither will be a threat.

Hawks depth is lacking and untested, also KPF stocks are sub par until Dear's body matures.

Geelong's midfield without Oliver still weak + an extra year in the legs of Stanley, Danger, Blicavs, Duncan who are pretty close to cooked as is.

 

[frggr]

Why do you think this?

It's wishful thinking

 

[nelk boys]

Hawks depth is lacking and untested, also KPF stocks are sub par until Dear's body matures.

Geelong's midfield without Oliver still weak + an extra year in the legs of Stanley, Danger, Blicavs, Duncan who are pretty close to cooked as is.

Our best 22 will look something like:
FB: Hardwick - Barass - Sicily
HB: Impey - Scrimshaw - Amon
C: Weddle - Nash - Massimo
HF: Moore - Lewis - Ginnivan
FF: Watson - Dear - Chol
R: Meek - Day - Newcombe
IC: Battle - Mackenzie - Worpel - MacDonald
EG: Jiath, Ward, Maginess, Serong, Mitchell, Morrison, Reeves.

Our depth is actually becoming a strength for us. Sicily, Dear and Chol will play forward for chunks of games until Lewis returns. We have enough firepower to dismantle opposition defence in sheer pace, like we did to yours.

Geelong already have the bones of their next midfield. Holmes, Smith and Bruhn as the front liners with support from Bowes, Stewart and Dempsey. It's a fallacy that their midfield is suddenly going to fall off a cliff. Scott won't let that happen.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Hawks depth is lacking and untested, also KPF stocks are sub par until Dear's body matures.

Geelong's midfield without Oliver still weak + an extra year in the legs of Stanley, Danger, Blicavs, Duncan who are pretty close to cooked as is.

Yeah our depth is bad that's why teams are trying to prise a few of them out from the club ( Finn McGuiness, Harry Morrison etc) who both played finals yet a full strength team they won't be there playing. Dear was supposed to be depth this year how did that turn out?. Depth is not the issue it's the ability of our good players being able to become elite for us to be contenders. That and for Lewis to get a good run at it.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeah our depth is bad that's why teams are trying to prise a few of them out from the club ( Finn McGuiness, Harry Morrison etc) who both played finals yet a full strength team they won't be there playing. Dear was supposed to be depth this year how did that turn out?. Depth is not the issue it's the ability of our good players being able to become elite for us to be contenders. That and for Lewis to get a good run at it.

Depth includes beyond the best 22. In 2024 the Hawks 2nd stringers weren't really tested as they had a fairly favourable run with injuries.

 

[adammania9]

Geelong (with Oliver, Smith, Martin)
B: Kolodjashnij - De Koning - Z Guthrie
HB: Stewart - J Henry - Holmes
C: Smith - Oliver - Dempsey
HF: Miers - Cameron - Close
F: Stengle - Neale - J Henry
R: Stanley - Dangerfield - Atkins
I: Blicavs - Humphries - Mannagh - Bowes - Bruhn

E from: Martin - C Guthrie - Duncan - O'Connor - O'Sullivan - Bews - Conway - Mulin - Clark

Hawthorn (with Battle, Barrass)
B: Frost - Barrass - Scrimshaw
HB: Amon - Battle - Sicily
C: Weddle - Worpel - D'Ambrosio
HF: Moore - Dear - MacDonald
F: Watson - Chol - Ginnivan
R: Meek - Newcombe - Day
I: Hardwick - Nash - Impey - Jiath - Gunston

E from: Lewis (ACL) - Mackenzie - Ward - Bruest - Blanck - Serong - Morrison - Maginness

Pretty cooked. I had Brisbane clear until Daniher retired. These might be the two teams to beat

 

[My Tilly]

Hawks depth is lacking and untested, also KPF stocks are sub par until Dear's body matures.

Geelong's midfield without Oliver still weak + an extra year in the legs of Stanley, Danger, Blicavs, Duncan who are pretty close to cooked as is.

Mitch Lewis will be a handy inclusion. He is not your typical KPF. He's a big bustling power forward who completely alters the dynamics of their forwrad line.
It means Dear can continue to progress as he did and they have the luxury of leaving Sicily forward given the defenders who are about to come in.

Love how you keep banging on about the Cats, must have stung to see them go a bit further than your mob. Remember when you were gloating about how good the Baggers were in July

 

[jezza1435]

Geelong (with Oliver, Smith, Martin)
B: Kolodjashnij - De Koning - Z Guthrie
HB: Stewart - J Henry - Holmes
C: Smith - Oliver - Dempsey
HF: Miers - Cameron - Close
F: Stengle - Neale - J Henry
R: Stanley - Dangerfield - Atkins
I: Blicavs - Humphries - Mannagh - Bowes - Bruhn

E from: Martin - C Guthrie - Duncan - O'Connor - O'Sullivan - Bews - Conway - Mulin - Clark

Hawthorn (with Battle, Barrass)
B: Frost - Barrass - Scrimshaw
HB: Amon - Battle - Sicily
C: Weddle - Worpel - D'Ambrosio
HF: Moore - Dear - MacDonald
F: Watson - Chol - Ginnivan
R: Meek - Newcombe - Day
I: Hardwick - Nash - Impey - Jiath - Gunston

E from: Lewis (ACL) - Mackenzie - Ward - Bruest - Blanck - Serong - Morrison - Maginness

Pretty cooked. I had Brisbane clear until Daniher retired. These might be the two teams to beat

Geelongs not getting Oliver bud…..

 

[MCG-Unit]

Geelong

 

[JackFlash]

Hawthorn should make the 8, but ti wouldn't surprise me if they took a huge tumble and finish as low as 12th!

 

[Xtreme]

Hawthorn by the length of the Flemington straight.

Geelong will be in a race to the bottom with the WCE, Richmond and North Melbourne.

Take it to the bank.

 

[Daka]

James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

not in the top 10 is a big surprise.

 

[CobraKaiLover9]

I would rather have a run it straight with a cement truck than meet the 2025 cats at GMHBA.

 

[hawkman]

James Sicily not in the top 10 is a big surprise.

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Sicily was 12th, 5 away from 10th. He did miss 3 games.
Meek was 14th, 4 behind Sicily and he missed 4 games.

Both of them play every game and they are around the top 5

 

[Daka]

Sicily was 12th, 5 away from 10th. He did miss 3 games.
Meek was 14th, 4 behind Sicily and he missed 4 games.

Both of them play every game and they are around the top 5

Sicily still played 22 games not saying he needed to be top 5, I know missing games can hurt B&F still a surprise missed the top 10 though.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Our best 22 will look something like:
FB: Hardwick - Barass - Sicily
HB: Impey - Scrimshaw - Amon
C: Weddle - Nash - Massimo
HF: Moore - Lewis - Ginnivan
FF: Watson - Dear - Chol
R: Meek - Day - Newcombe
IC: Battle - Mackenzie - Worpel - MacDonald
EG: Jiath, Ward, Maginess, Serong, Mitchell, Morrison, Reeves.

Our depth is actually becoming a strength for us. Sicily, Dear and Chol will play forward for chunks of games until Lewis returns. We have enough firepower to dismantle opposition defence in sheer pace, like we did to yours.

Geelong already have the bones of their next midfield. Holmes, Smith and Bruhn as the front liners with support from Bowes, Stewart and Dempsey. It's a fallacy that their midfield is suddenly going to fall off a cliff. Scott won't let that happen.

I hear Frost may play as the small defender, letting Dimma go forward also.

Dimma, Moore, Wiz, Ginni and Croc a very dangerous group, particularly with Bruest still up the sleeve as the super sub.

 

[Fadge]

James Sicily not in the top 10 is a big surprise.

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Massimo 10th in Hawthorn's Best and Fairest, but some scribes were arguing he should have been on the All Australian wing ahead of Nick Daicos...

 

[Gavin Excell]

Massimo 10th in Hawthorn's Best and Fairest, but some scribes were arguing he should have been on the All Australian wing ahead of Nick Daicos...

Surely nobody was arguing this

 

[Fadge]

Surely nobody was arguing this

Indeed they were.

Here is one example. Initially Daicos was mentioned, then a discussion about Treloar out, Daicos to the bench Massimo to the wing...

The D’Ambrosio Debate: Were the AA selectors right in choosing one wingman?

The discussion has been fierce.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Gavin Excell]

Wasn't ND playing inside mid role second half.season?

 

[Gavin Excell]

I hear Frost may play as the small defender, letting Dimma go forward also.

Dimma, Moore, Wiz, Ginni and Croc a very dangerous group, particularly with Bruest still up the sleeve as the super sub.

Who is Dimma

 

[Gavin Excell]

James Sicily not in the top 10 is a big surprise.

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Im surprised that Lloyd Meek not top 10
Thought had a great year

 

[hawkman]

Im surprised that Lloyd Meek not top 10
Thought had a great year

It was so tight between 3rd and 15th if you miss a few games you drop way down. It was a very even team this season without maybe the star factor of other clubs.

 

[matey]

I admire and respect Scott as a coach over the last decade for the way he has led the Cats ….. Sam is developing and growing nicely as a coach. His speech yesterday after the B&F was special and gives an insight on his way driving the club. We talk players etc but he is a big factor! May bore some but you gotta listen to it all

PCM 2024 | Sam Mitchell Address

Hear from Sam Mitchell as he speaks at the 2024 Peter Crimmins Medal.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Who is Dimma

Hardwick