Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

Who is closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast

  • Fremantle

    Votes: 247 62.8%

  • West Coast

    Votes: 146 37.2%
  • Total voters
    393

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Tayl0r said:
Fremantle finished top two seasons ago. It is in the interests of the likes of North, Melbourne, St Kilda, Collingwood and Carlton that Fremantle have another few years outside the finals.

The worst thing that could happen is Freo rebounds into a period of sustained success, it would see a lot of footy managers fired.
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Lol what. Like who would get fired?
 
samFFC said:
Well apart from the good draftees which I guess remains to be seen, there is:
Sean Darcy (19)
Darcy Tucker (21)
Connor Blakely (21)
Ethan Hughes ( 23)
Brad Hill (24)
Lachie Neale (24)

McCarthy is only 22 as well.
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And yet I'm not overly impressed with that list (besides Neale), not saying its bad, but to make the argument that those youngsters are head over heels better than WC's just isn't correct imo. WC have Yeo and Mcgovern who are more accomplished players than any of those, with Sheed slowly rising who was 3rd in the rising star. Jury is still out on Duggan but lets see. Rioli is getting some great raps behind the scenes, and Ryan is yet to play but 70+ goals in the WAFL are good signs.

You probably have 1 or 2 more better players in that bracket, but we obviously have some major weapons that are older (and are't retiring in the next 3-4 years)
 

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Coaster2012 said:
And yet I'm not overly impressed with that list (besides Neale), not saying its bad, but to make the argument that those youngsters are head over heels better than WC's just isn't correct imo. WC have Yeo and Mcgovern who are more accomplished players than any of those, with Sheed slowly rising who was 3rd in the rising star. Jury is still out on Duggan but lets see. Rioli is getting some great raps behind the scenes, and Ryan is yet to play but 70+ goals in the WAFL are good signs.

You probably have 1 or 2 more better players in that bracket, but we obviously have some major weapons that are older (and are't retiring in the next 3-4 years)
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So things are pretty even? I would agree with that. I don't think Freo or WC list is significantly better tbh.

Main difference at present is J.Kennedy as Freo is still working out it's best KPF and forward line structure. Having JJK helps that out significantly, and he is a major loss when out.
 
Milanista28 said:
Freo's engine room on paper is very exciting, Obviously some very young talent but they will develop together, Only Mundy will be a loss in the next 3-5 years, I suppose you can count Aaron but he's been on the out for a while now.
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And hopefully replaced by Darcy long-term.
 
Kram said:
They extended Alan Rickman's contract iirc after him not making finals for years, talk about embracing mediocrity.
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I could understand that, they were losing significant leaders from the club and having as much stability as possible should hope to ease the transition.
 
Tayl0r said:
Buckley for one.

And any other coach who has been in charge of a rebuild without playing finals for more than three to four years
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That's a coach not a manager

I doubt the pies would sack Buckley based on Fremantles performance unless you are suggesting Collingwood will acquire Ross Lyon

Buckley will be sacked based on his own performance
 
Coaster2012 said:
And yet I'm not overly impressed with that list (besides Neale), not saying its bad, but to make the argument that those youngsters are head over heels better than WC's just isn't correct imo. WC have Yeo and Mcgovern who are more accomplished players than any of those, with Sheed slowly rising who was 3rd in the rising star. Jury is still out on Duggan but lets see. Rioli is getting some great raps behind the scenes, and Ryan is yet to play but 70+ goals in the WAFL are good signs.

You probably have 1 or 2 more better players in that bracket, but we obviously have some major weapons that are older (and are't retiring in the next 3-4 years)
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Looking at East Perth last year, wasn't really much shown by any of the WC players. Clearly the opposite for Peel. Seems to me to be a fairly accurate gauge of where the development of younger players from each respective side is at.
 
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Spoken4 said:
Looking at East Perth last year, wasn't really much shown by any of the WC players. Clearly the opposite for Peel.
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Looking at the Dockers last year, wasn’t really much shown by any of their players. Clearly the opposite for WC.
 
bh90210fan said:
Looking at the Dockers last year, wasn’t really much shown by any of their players. Clearly the opposite for WC.
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Subject matter was the young and emerging players. Try and stay relevant.
 

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Kram said:
Da WC yoof I seen when watching East Perf play didn't look all that crash hot.
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Partington played a number of high possession, goal scoring games. Venables, Rioli and Waterman looked classy when they weren’t injured and Cole looks the goods. Expecting them to get games for WC this year.
 
Spoken4 said:
Looking at East Perth last year, wasn't really much shown by any of the WC players. Clearly the opposite for Peel. Seems to me to be a fairly accurate gauge of where the development of younger players from each respective side is at.
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Disagree.

It is more a reflection of having a list with too many players that are caught in footballs no mans land of being competent WAFL players but not good enough for afl.
Matt tabenar syndrome.

Freo’s list has long been at the mercy of a list lacking depth and held up by a capable 6-8.
The fact they have one player categorised as elite is testament to this.

As it is, I certainly wouldn’t view peels relative success as a cause for optimism for Freo’s potential future success.
 
dcutter said:
Yeah true, seem to have no luck nailing that key position forward they have desired for an eternity it seems.

Getting Alex Pearce up and running is more important than Bennell in my books. The guy has a huge upside, one of those rare big guys that could potentially put an almost Ottens like stamp on a game if he stays injury free and gets some continuity in his footy.

Darcy looks a real find, big and raw and maybe best of all, has some mongrel about him.

Interesting times at dockerland. I sense its a big one in Lyons tenure. Another year of floggings surely can't be tolerated.

If the upward curve of winning continues he's seemingly safe. No mean feat with a host of other teams projected to improve.
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Yeah as I said, we had an interesting Spread of Key Position players, Age wise anyway.

They were either 30 or older or 21 or younger. That's one of the main reasons why freos rebuild might take a year or 2 longer. We need to develop more KPPs in their prime years of 23-29 year bracket.
 
samFFC said:
Well apart from the good draftees which I guess remains to be seen, there is:
Sean Darcy (19)
Darcy Tucker (21)
Connor Blakely (21)
Ethan Hughes ( 23)
Brad Hill (24)
Lachie Neale (24)

McCarthy is only 22 as well.
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You forgot to add Alex Pearce mate
 
Spoken4 said:
Looking at East Perth last year, wasn't really much shown by any of the WC players. Clearly the opposite for Peel. Seems to me to be a fairly accurate gauge of where the development of younger players from each respective side is at.
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Not really, if you can show me a direct correlation between how a state league team performs and their AFL affiliate performance in the years after then I will believe you. But I don't see that at all. Peel is also made up of older players who aren't even on the Freo list. In fact, take one look at the stats of the year and most of your star players were over 28. Balic had a good year, but he's not even on your list anymore.
 
dcutter said:
Disagree.

It is more a reflection of having a list with too many players that are caught in footballs no mans land of being competent WAFL players but not good enough for afl.
Matt tabenar syndrome.

Freo’s list has long been at the mercy of a list lacking depth and held up by a capable 6-8.
The fact they have one player categorised as elite is testament to this.

As it is, I certainly wouldn’t view peels relative success as a cause for optimism for Freo’s potential future success.
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Sorry but that's utter rubbish.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you either play for the seniors or the reserve side unless you're injured? And there is the same number of players who are playing in the seniors each week right? So the uninjured WC players not playing in the seniors played for East Perth and vice versa for Freo with Peel. As such, the performance of AFL listed players in the seconds quite clearly is a window into the quality of your list, even more so based on the fact that those players tend to be first and second year players.
 
Neale, Blakely, Hill brothers, Brayshaw, Fyfe will all be there for a pretty long time and if they all develop together, Fremantle will be a very good team.

West Coast are in a pretty average spot, not much young talent there.
 
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