Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

[Freomaniac]

You miss the point.

Freo are horrendously reactive in their list management.

2 of these (Ballantyne + pearce) should never have been offered contracts in the first place let alone 2 + 3 Years respectively.

The fact that 9 lives Bennell remains on the list shouldn’t surprise anyone.

As far as list management is concerned..... Age wise, much more better than at the end of 2008 where freo only had 6 or 7 players aged 23 or under. We have at least double that in the age under 23 year old category.

 

[dcutter]

As far as list management is concerned..... Age wise, much more better than at the end of 2008 where freo only had 6 or 7 players aged 23 or under. We have at least double that in the age under 23 year old category.

Yep fair point.
However, my argument lies in Freo's continual habit of holding onto players 1, 2, even 3 seasons too long.

If Brian Lake and Dave Hale were Freo listed players, they'd probably be still playing.

 

[The Joker]

Continue on with what exactly. That was my first post in this thread and I was directly answering a question.

It was a throw away line to everyone that continues with the drug, tit for tat, who really wins?

Hang on, you came in here to post and that Is what you chose to talk about, did someone say ignore list???

 

[Freomaniac]

Yep fair point.
However, my argument lies in Freo's continual habit of holding onto players 1, 2, even 3 seasons too long.

If Brian Lake and Dave Hale were Freo listed players, they'd probably be still playing.

fair point on your end too...

Freos biggest mistake was there were too many players in the same age bracket in certain positions.

Example: Freos 3 main key defenders from 2012-15 was Luke McPharlin, Michael Johnson and Zac Dawson. McPharlin retired as a 33 year old, Johnson is now 32, Dawson retired this year at 31. If Freo had a KPF aged 23 or under with 20-30 games under the belt, it wouldn't of been too bad

I was surprised Johnson got another year as we already have Hamling that plays in his position.

Another area Freo was concerned about was the ruck stocks. They were either Aged 30 or over like a 35 year old Sandilands or 31year old griffin. Or under 22 like Sean Darcy or Michael Apeness or Luke Strnadica or draftees like Sam Switkowski or Scott Jones.. Zac Clarke was the only ruckman In his prime years at 28 years old but we delisted him due to injuries. Now it seems Freo win 2018 will Have Sandilands as the main ruck and rotate Darcy anfd another young Ruck like Apeness or Jones.

Freos biggest stuff up was failing to replace Pavlich. We put games in Tarberner with mixed results. Apeness would of got 30-40 games under his belt if he his knee. Now we a few ruck/forwards in Apeness, Strnadica and Scott Jones

 

[Impunity!]

fair point on your end too...

Freos biggest mistake was there were too many players in the same age bracket in certain positions.

Example: Freos 3 main key defenders from 2012-15 was Luke McPharlin, Michael Johnson and Zac Dawson. McPharlin retired as a 33 year old, Johnson is now 32, Dawson retired this year at 31. If Freo had a KPF aged 23 or under with 20-30 games under the belt, it wouldn't of been too bad

I was surprised Johnson got another year as we already have Hamling that plays in his position.

Another area Freo was concerned about was the ruck stocks. They were either Aged 30 or over like a 35 year old Sandilands or 31year old griffin. Or under 22 like Sean Darcy or Michael Apeness or Luke Strnadica or draftees like Sam Switkowski or Scott Jones.. Zac Clarke was the only ruckman In his prime years at 28 years old but we delisted him due to injuries. Now it seems Freo win 2018 will Have Sandilands as the main ruck and rotate Darcy anfd another young Ruck like Apeness or Jones.

Freos biggest stuff up was failing to replace Pavlich. We put games in Tarberner with mixed results. Apeness would of got 30-40 games under his belt if he his knee. Now we a few ruck/forwards in Apeness, Strnadica and Scott Jones

Good post on the too large gaps between KPs. You could well argue that Eagles don't seem to have done enough to find the next Josh Kennedy, for example.

 

[The Joker]

Good post on the too large gaps between KPs. You could well argue that Eagles don't seem to have done enough to find the next Josh Kennedy, for example.

Darling will move to the #1 and either of Oscar Allen or Jarrod Brander will move into the #2 roll. Both have the capability to challange Darling for his position. They also have the option of moving McGovern (well before he moves to Freo,) if desperate!

I found it hilarious how upset the Eagles fans were after the 2017 draft, but I quickly got the feeling that they wouldnt change their tune and still criticize Simpsons recruitment team for not getting a replacement for an aging Kennedy if they did go for all mids!

Those same faulks were leading the charge when telling Freo fans how hard it is to find a KPP and how easy it is to find a gun midfielder, go figure!!!

 

[Forward Press]

Good post on the too large gaps between KPs. You could well argue that Eagles don't seem to have done enough to find the next Josh Kennedy, for example.

Drafted Brander with our first pick in this year's draft, highly rated KPF talent that was touted to go number one a year ago.

He will take a few years to come on (if at all) so I suppose we're pinning our hopes on him stepping up when Kennedy inevitably retires.

You are right though in that the key position prospects cupboard is bare.

 

[dcutter]

fair point on your end too...

Freos biggest mistake was there were too many players in the same age bracket in certain positions.

Example: Freos 3 main key defenders from 2012-15 was Luke McPharlin, Michael Johnson and Zac Dawson. McPharlin retired as a 33 year old, Johnson is now 32, Dawson retired this year at 31. If Freo had a KPF aged 23 or under with 20-30 games under the belt, it wouldn't of been too bad

I was surprised Johnson got another year as we already have Hamling that plays in his position.

Another area Freo was concerned about was the ruck stocks. They were either Aged 30 or over like a 35 year old Sandilands or 31year old griffin. Or under 22 like Sean Darcy or Michael Apeness or Luke Strnadica or draftees like Sam Switkowski or Scott Jones.. Zac Clarke was the only ruckman In his prime years at 28 years old but we delisted him due to injuries. Now it seems Freo win 2018 will Have Sandilands as the main ruck and rotate Darcy anfd another young Ruck like Apeness or Jones.

Freos biggest stuff up was failing to replace Pavlich. We put games in Tarberner with mixed results. Apeness would of got 30-40 games under his belt if he his knee. Now we a few ruck/forwards in Apeness, Strnadica and Scott Jones

Yeah true, seem to have no luck nailing that key position forward they have desired for an eternity it seems.

Getting Alex Pearce up and running is more important than Bennell in my books. The guy has a huge upside, one of those rare big guys that could potentially put an almost Ottens like stamp on a game if he stays injury free and gets some continuity in his footy.

Darcy looks a real find, big and raw and maybe best of all, has some mongrel about him.

Interesting times at dockerland. I sense its a big one in Lyons tenure. Another year of floggings surely can't be tolerated.

If the upward curve of winning continues he's seemingly safe. No mean feat with a host of other teams projected to improve.

 

[The Joker]

fair point on your end too...

Freos biggest mistake was there were too many players in the same age bracket in certain positions.

Example: Freos 3 main key defenders from 2012-15 was Luke McPharlin, Michael Johnson and Zac Dawson. McPharlin retired as a 33 year old, Johnson is now 32, Dawson retired this year at 31. If Freo had a KPF aged 23 or under with 20-30 games under the belt, it wouldn't of been too bad

I was surprised Johnson got another year as we already have Hamling that plays in his position.

Another area Freo was concerned about was the ruck stocks. They were either Aged 30 or over like a 35 year old Sandilands or 31year old griffin. Or under 22 like Sean Darcy or Michael Apeness or Luke Strnadica or draftees like Sam Switkowski or Scott Jones.. Zac Clarke was the only ruckman In his prime years at 28 years old but we delisted him due to injuries. Now it seems Freo win 2018 will Have Sandilands as the main ruck and rotate Darcy anfd another young Ruck like Apeness or Jones.

Freos biggest stuff up was failing to replace Pavlich. We put games in Tarberner with mixed results. Apeness would of got 30-40 games under his belt if he his knee. Now we a few ruck/forwards in Apeness, Strnadica and Scott Jones

Taking the best avalable player wasnt the greatest strategy!

 

[Impunity!]

Darling will move to the #1 and either of Oscar Allen or Jarrod Brander will move into the #2 roll. Both have the capability to challange Darling for his position. They also have the option of moving McGovern (well before he moves to Freo,) if desperate!

Seems like all that would leave West Coast (at best) would be 3x Darlings - too short for KPF these days (and leave them in a similar position to Freo with tweeners as KPFs - McCarthy Kersten etc). And that's being optimistic for Allen and Brander though I hope you're right

 

[Schulzenfest]

Both are miles off. If I had to pick one I'd go Freo, but I couldn't see either threatening any time soon.

 

[Impunity!]

Both are miles off. If I had to pick one I'd go Freo, but I couldn't see either threatening any time soon.

What was it like being eliminated from the finals by a team that is even further away from a flag than Freo?

 

[Schulzenfest]

What was it like being eliminated from the finals by a team that is even further away from a flag than Freo?

West Coast needed a 12.6 to 10.16 scoring shot differential, huge games from all three of Mitchell, Priddis and Petrie (none of whom will be playing for them next season) and Luke Shuey ducking his way to a last minute free kick to get that win. And they wouldn’t have even been in that game if not for Round 23 throwing up a colossal Melbourne choke and a matchup against a disinterested Crows side which had already locked up top spot.

All the stars aligned for West Coast late last year and they still couldn’t get any higher than 6th. I hope they enjoyed it, because 6th is as high as they’re gonna get for a while. At least Freo have some quality youth coming through.

 

[The Joker]

What was it like being eliminated from the finals by a team that is even further away from a flag than Freo?

At a guess, im going to say, much the same as it would have when the Eagles pumped North by almost 100 points back in 2012, you know the old saying, 1 point or 100 points, its still a loss.

Who would have thought they would be beaten the next week then fail to make the finals the next two seasons, whilst North went two wins away from a Premiership!

Please try to understand the point before stating the bleedin obvious!

 

[Impunity!]

At a guess, im going to say, much the same as it would have when the Eagles pumped North by almost 100 points back in 2012, you know the old saying, 1 point or 100 points, its still a loss.

Who would have thought they would be beaten the next week then fail to make the finals the next two seasons, whilst North went two wins away from a Premiership!

Please try to understand the point before stating the bleedin obvious!

This is word salad and makes no sense. And those who accept "1 point or 100 points, its still a loss" are the reason Ross Lyon still has a job.

 

[dylan93]

Freo. Much more solid team. I've got WCE finishing in the bottom 6 this coming season.

 

[Schauermann]

Yep fair point.
However, my argument lies in Freo's continual habit of holding onto players 1, 2, even 3 seasons too long.

Perhaps. But we have got 10+ new players for two years in a row now. We have to keep some for experience, mature bodies and the minimum salary cap.

Choices are arguably of course.

 

[Darcy 2 Fyfe]

Yep fair point.
However, my argument lies in Freo's continual habit of holding onto players 1, 2, even 3 seasons too long.

If Brian Lake and Dave Hale were Freo listed players, they'd probably be still playing.

Tuck?

 

[dcutter]

Tuck?

Captained the hawks to the 91’ flag.

Wanted to keep playing, hawks pulled the pin on him I believe

 

[Kram]

Tuck only played so long because he played like a fairy.

 

[The Joker]

This is word salad and makes no sense. And those who accept "1 point or 100 points, its still a loss" are the reason Ross Lyon still has a job.

Yeah, just what I thought!

 

[Coaster2012]

West Coast needed a 12.6 to 10.16 scoring shot differential, huge games from all three of Mitchell, Priddis and Petrie (none of whom will be playing for them next season) and Luke Shuey ducking his way to a last minute free kick to get that win. And they wouldn’t have even been in that game if not for Round 23 throwing up a colossal Melbourne choke and a matchup against a disinterested Crows side which had already locked up top spot.

All the stars aligned for West Coast late last year and they still couldn’t get any higher than 6th. I hope they enjoyed it, because 6th is as high as they’re gonna get for a while. At least Freo have some quality youth coming through.

Who exactly? Name one kid 24 or under whose setting the world alight that they didn't already trade.

Heard of a 23 year old last year called Yeo who won AA?

I'm not having a go here, but I hear Freo's kids are better than WC's kids thing and I look at their list and I don't see it. Who is this kid?

 

[bh90210fan]

Freo. Much more solid team. I've got WCE finishing in the bottom 6 this coming season.

If you call getting flogged all the time solid. Where have you got Fremantle finishing this year?

 

[Coaster2012]

Freo. Much more solid team. I've got WCE finishing in the bottom 6 this coming season.

Yet WC beat them in every single category all over the ground. They had multiple 100+ losses last year. I don't think many have Freo finishing above WC this year, but good luck to you.

Good post on the too large gaps between KPs. You could well argue that Eagles don't seem to have done enough to find the next Josh Kennedy, for example.

I think drafting the AA under 18's FF and CHF is a pretty damn good start.

 

[samFFC]

Who exactly? Name one kid 24 or under whose setting the world alight that they didn't already trade.

Heard of a 23 year old last year called Yeo who won AA?

I'm not having a go here, but I hear Freo's kids are better than WC's kids thing and I look at their list and I don't see it. Who is this kid?

Well apart from the good draftees which I guess remains to be seen, there is:
Sean Darcy (19)
Darcy Tucker (21)
Connor Blakely (21)
Ethan Hughes ( 23)
Brad Hill (24)
Lachie Neale (24)

McCarthy is only 22 as well.