Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?

[blue harvest]

FA or home sickness/ trade requests, all the same, we couldn't keep them, end result the same.
Jake Kelly off to Essendon as we speak.

???
Your hypothesis was the AFL got the Cats on the juice and introduced 2 new teams and free agency to help the Vic sides.
Trade/home sickness has been around for ever.

Clearly just a piss take this whole discussion.

 

[Rich01]

Port fans up and about looking for excuses after last night’s embarrassment.

 

[footyfan1978]

So why didnt vic clubs just find a way to win before the inquiry and why have they found a way to win since.

You making no sense. Must be still punch drunk after last night.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Why didn’t Port retain him?

Umm, because he'd have gone the following year under FA anyway and its pretty bloody obvious that holding a player against their will does more damage to culture and unity than letting them go.
Question is, why Hawthorn then and not GWS years before..

 

[Big Crow]

Personal favourite was shelling out thousands of dollars in flights, accomodation, and tickets to go to the 2017 Grand Final. Ground announcer at the MCG is hyping up the tigers, we cop an absolute stitch up in the umpiring department in the first half, the dam wall breaks and we lose. One year prior Sydney copped worse for another “fairytale” (why do all the fairytales reside exclusively in one state?). It’s clear the league could not be happier with both results. 2012 Prelim at the ‘G was a similar experience. Why bother.

This. League. Is. Not. For. Us.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I can remember in '07 people asking the exact opposite question after interstate teams had won the preceding six flags.

In the last 10 years, by my reckoning, interstate teams have made the GF seven times. So what's the issue?

I like how you Vics cherry pick the years you quote, how does that work out since 07 when the questions were being asked?

 

[PhatBoy]

At least you're prepared to throw us a bone rather than tell us to just get better.

Get better.

I don’t get the premise for this. Last year Brisbane bombed out at home in a prelim. This year they go out in straight sets. Port finished top four and won a QF and hosted a prelim and blew it. They did the same last year.

it’s a month of footy. Interstate sides have put themselves into 4 of the last 8 top 4 spots. In the 5-8 range interstate sides have occupied 3 out of the last 8.
That’s 7 out of 16 spots, with a split skewed towards the top 4. Interstate teams make up 8 out of 18 sides so the proportion is basically spot on.

there is no geographical factor in Brisbane and Port not turning it on when it matters.

home and away records don’t ultimately MEAN anything - as a cats fan I think I’m pretty well qualified to speak on that. What they do, though, is highlight standard of football over a large sample size. Much larger than four weeks of finals at the end of a season. You might not show enough in 22 games of home and away footy to suggest that you are the best or second best but if you finish in the top four it’s generally because you’ve shown you’re a quality side and squad over a long period, interstate or not. Trying to find extraneous reasons why you are off your game in a knockout final where it all hinges on two hours of play is fruitless

 

[Ron The Bear]

Right, so the top two are Vic clubs that have benefitted most from FA, theres 5 Vics in the top 8 including 3 of top 4 along with Sydney Cola/Academy.
Looking at the bottom half, Carlton cheated the salary cap and have been a basket case ever since, Essendon cheated with drugs and were decimated for a few seasons.
Melbourne have no excuses apart from just being sh*t and churning through coaches.
NM have been a basket case since Duck poked his mates Wife
All of these Vic clubs have themselves or their players to blame or they'd be further up the ladder at our expense.

Seems that you look down on other clubs while perhaps having a sense of entitlement concerning your own.

The table since 2007 isn't too different to the table since 1967. Carlton down 11 rungs, Essendon down 7, Sydney up 8, but thirteen clubs within 3 places of their rank since 2007. Over time, a club's W-L record is an accurate reflection of how often they get things right relative to the other clubs.

Melbourne is 17th since 2007 and 17th since 1967. You'd have a point if you said they got back on the rails after the AFL appointed them a coach and CEO. Is that the sort of help you want for Port?

 

[STFU Donnie]

Not a Vic. I live in Adelaide. Brighton to be precise.

My point stands.

 

[Blackas87]

Umm, because he'd have gone the following year under FA anyway and its pretty bloody obvious that holding a player against their will does more damage to culture and unity than letting them go.
Question is, why Hawthorn then and not GWS years before..

Wingard is at cellar dweller while Port was in a Prelim, GWS made it through to the Semi. Inquiry????

Question is why did he leave or want to leave? Why couldn’t Port retain a South Australian kid? League inquiry???

 

[PenfoldsFan]

This hits the nail on the head.

All “interstate” fans need to realise this. This league is not for us. Never has been. We just prop things up financially while the system works to celebrate Victorian football. Unless something changes, best we can hope for is the pinch a flag every now and then.

See West Coast being a 5 goal better side than Collingwood, but falling over the line at the pies home ground for reference. If that doesn’t do it for you, consider back to back to back to… Grand Finals of the higher ranked team having to play away and losing.

The AFL is a total joke. You’re 100% better off following something else, or at least recognising it for what it is and not taking it too seriously.

Thats what i do, i gave up giving them money years ago, no game day tickets, no memberships, no food or drink sales and i only watch it on Fox because i dug in an got sports channels free quite a while ago.

 

[Joey longshadow]

Yep, play everyone H&A every season, that makes it 34 rounds long, my young side will be in it, Chris Scott might object.

That he might

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Not a Vic. I live in Adelaide. Brighton to be precise.

My point stands.

Yeah but you barrack for a Vic club so you get the benefits, that point stands over yours.

 

[Toump Ass]

Personal favourite was shelling out thousands of dollars in flights, accomodation, and tickets to go to the 2017 Grand Final. Ground announcer at the MCG is hyping up the tigers, we cop an absolute stitch up in the umpiring department in the first half, the dam wall breaks and we lose.

If you look really closely at a picture of the Grand Final Powerstance, you can actually taste the embarrassment the Crows players are feeling before the game. Don't blame the umpires. Richmond were unreal that day.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Yeah but you barrack for a Vic club so you get the benefits, that point stands over yours.

To be precise, I barrack for a team that has a habit of not sh1tt1ng itself when it really matters.

 

[blue harvest]

Personal favourite was shelling out thousands of dollars in flights, accomodation, and tickets to go to the 2017 Grand Final. Ground announcer at the MCG is hyping up the tigers, we cop an absolute stitch up in the umpiring department in the first half, the dam wall breaks and we lose. One year prior Sydney copped worse for another “fairytale” (why do all the fairytales reside exclusively in one state?). It’s clear the league could not be happier with both results. 2012 Prelim at the ‘G was a similar experience. Why bother.

This. League. Is. Not. For. Us.

??? I was at 2017, a stitch up lol. I remember 1 mistake think it was Betts near the goals late in first half. Tigers just too good.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Imagine calling yourself "port_adelaide_1870" and being so cucked by Victoria that you still refer to non-Vic teams as "interstate".

 

[Big Crow]

If you look really closely at a picture of the Grand Final Powerstance, you can actually taste the embarrassment the Crows players are feeling before the game. Don't blame the umpires. Richmond were unreal that day.

Richmond were absolutely the better team, 100%. Doesn’t change the fact that the umpiring was diabolical - It didn’t cost us the game, but it certainly happened.

Why does one side have to overcome a home ground advantage and awful umpiring, while the other enjoys an advantage because of it. It didn’t cost us on that day, but is it any wonder that over the course of a decade we see things hugely slanted in one direction?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Wingard is at cellar dweller while Port was in a Prelim, GWS made it through to the Semi. Inquiry????

Question is why did he leave or want to leave? Why couldn’t Port retain a South Australian kid? League inquiry???

I dunno, perhaps he thought the Coach who already won 4 of the previous 10 at that point might jag him one too?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

It didn’t cost us on that day, but is it any wonder that over the course of a decade we see things hugely slanted in one direction?

Sorta like from 01 to 06, only the other way around...cue an inquiry.

 

[blue harvest]

Richmond were absolutely the better team, 100%. Doesn’t change the fact that the umpiring was diabolical - It didn’t cost us the game, but it certainly happened.

Why does one side have to overcome a home ground advantage and awful umpiring, while the other enjoys an advantage because of it. It didn’t cost us on that day, but is it any wonder that over the course of a decade we see things hugely slanted in one direction?

What about the decade before that?

 

[blue harvest]

Isn't it 9 and 9 Vic verus interstate in GFs?

 

[Big Crow]

??? I was at 2017, a stitch up lol. I remember 1 mistake think it was Betts near the goals late in first half. Tigers just too good.


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Where did I say we were robbed? Richmond were of course the better team, that doesn’t mean the umpiring wasn’t completely biased in the first half. You realise the two aren’t mutually exclusive right?

Also bet you enjoyed the 2012 Prelim against us. That was honestly the game which shook my belief in the AFL as a fair league.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

???
Your hypothesis was the AFL got the Cats on the juice and introduced 2 new teams and free agency to help the Vic sides.
Trade/home sickness has been around for ever.

Clearly just a piss take this whole discussion.

So its just a coincidence that FA arrived at the same time GC and GWS did and that these two clubs have been pilfered recently?

 

[Blackas87]

See West Coast being a 5 goal better side than Collingwood, but falling over the line at the pies home ground for reference. If that doesn’t do it for you, consider back to back to back to… Grand Finals of the higher ranked team having to play away and losing.

West Coast and Collingwood played in the qualifying final at Optus stadium a few weeks earlier, West Coast came back hitting the lead at the 24th minute mark of the last quarter. Not sure they were a 5 goal better side.