Society/Culture Why Australia needs to lower its immigration intake

[Gethelred]

This thread is about a lot of things, but one of the things it is not about is crime.

The next person who seeks to make a connection between violent crime and immigration by posting about it in here will receive a threadban and an infraction equivalent to the racism it portrays.

Should you want to talk about violent crime, the 'African gangs' thread is both thataway:

Vic - Melbourne's Sudanese gangs

The Victorian government and police management have finally been shamed into admitting there's a problems with African gangs. On 20th December, after eight police were overpowered by a gang of 100 mainly South Sudanese youths who trashed a Werribee Airbnb-rented property, smashing car...

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Let's stay on topic from here.

 

[10571z]

Is it higher among them than than the national average?

African (predominantly South Sudanese) youth comprise at least 19 per cent of young people in custody despite being less than 0.5 per cent of Victoria's youth population.

I wouldn’t call it a “Media Distraction” with those sort of figures

 

[peetoo]

African (predominantly South Sudanese) youth comprise at least 19 per cent of young people in custody despite being less than 0.5 per cent of Victoria's youth population.

I wouldn’t call it a “Media Distraction” with those sort of figures

So, like indigenous rates?

 

[Gethelred]

African (predominantly South Sudanese) youth comprise at least 19 per cent of young people in custody despite being less than 0.5 per cent of Victoria's youth population.

I wouldn’t call it a “Media Distraction” with those sort of figures

Can you provide a source for that statistic?

 

[the_interloper]

So, like indigenous rates?

Probably a similar story for some other non white groups, it's more of a case of being in a lower socio-economic class I'd say rather than "black man bad".

 

[10571z]

So, like indigenous rates?

Should we stop the immigration of Indigenous people?

Can you provide a source for that statistic?

African Australians over-represented in Victorian prisons | African Australian Advocacy Centre

Highlighting the disproportionate incarceration of African Australians in Victoria, the AAAC calls for action against racial profiling and media bias. Learn more about the community's significant contributions.

www.africanaustralianadvocacy.org.au

 

[Gethelred]

Should we stop the immigration of Indigenous people?

African Australians over-represented in Victorian prisons | African Australian Advocacy Centre

Highlighting the disproportionate incarceration of African Australians in Victoria, the AAAC calls for action against racial profiling and media bias. Learn more about the community's significant contributions.

www.africanaustralianadvocacy.org.au

Thanks for providing the link.

I am surprised somewhat that your stance after reading that article is that we should lower immigration and not, you know, seek to improve normalisation and nationalisation processes to assist new immigrants to integrate with wider society better.

At the very least - as the article points out - police could be better at de-escalation and the targetting of minorities.

 

[10571z]

Thanks for providing the link.

I am surprised somewhat that your stance after reading that article is that we should lower immigration and not, you know, seek to improve normalisation and nationalisation processes to assist new immigrants to integrate with wider society better.

At the very least - as the article points out - police could be better at de-escalation and the targetting of minorities.

I mean of course the article says that… it’s from the African australia advocacy.

Apparently the police are going around targeting African kids, ah yes those poor kids. Easy blame “police are racist” defence..

 

[peetoo]

I mean of course the article says that… it’s from the African australia advocacy.

Apparently the police are going around targeting African kids, ah yes those poor kids. Easy blame “police are racist” defence..

No, they are profilers. Which does have its merits….till you are the one pulled over.

Imagine if they went round trying to get seniors banned from driving due to Health.

 

[10571z]

No, they are profilers. Which does have its merits….till you are the one pulled over.

Imagine if they went round trying to get seniors banned from driving due to Health.

These are crimes of serious nature to get locked up… not for dropping litter. Most with huge wrap sheets and multiple bail offences.

Profiling has zero to do with it

 

[Chief]

These are crimes of serious nature to get locked up… not for dropping litter. Most with huge wrap sheets and multiple bail offences.

Profiling has zero to do with it

Pray tell, what data do you refer to that provides evidence for this?

 

[10571z]

Pray tell, what data do you refer to that provides evidence for this?

There is a plethora of data available on the internet in regards to youth crime. The kid who stabbed the grandma was on bail after a serious previous offence. As i said these kids aren't getting thrown into custody for dropping litter. They are given every chance to avoid it.

 

[Gethelred]

There is a plethora of data available on the internet in regards to youth crime. The kid who stabbed the grandma was on bail after a serious previous offence. As i said these kids aren't getting thrown into custody for dropping litter. They are given every chance to avoid it.

This is the second time this specific offence has come up in the immigration thread. We do not know if the alleged offender is here on a visa, and the only real connection to immigration is the supposed offender's race.

Explain to me how what you're doing here is not racist, 10571z.

 

[CM86]

African (predominantly South Sudanese) youth comprise at least 19 per cent of young people in custody despite being less than 0.5 per cent of Victoria's youth population.

I wouldn’t call it a “Media Distraction” with those sort of figures

Do you think it's genetic, or something else?

 

[10571z]

This is the second time this specific offence has come up in the immigration thread. We do not know if the alleged offender is here on a visa, and the only real connection to immigration is the supposed offender's race.

Explain to me how what you're doing here is not racist, 10571z.

His family were refugees from Sudan…this has been stated in the media

 

[10571z]

Do you think it's genetic, or something else?

No it’s not genetic. Come on.

 

[Gethelred]

His family were refugees from Sudan…this has been stated in the media

When?

People have been fleeing Sudan for a long, long time. Do you know if he's been born here? Do you know if he's a citizen?

You're taking an awful lot on assumption from media who swallowed whole 'children overboard', who actively project xenophobic politicians to wider Australia.

 

[Gethelred]

And to a certain extent, this is starting to look like a 'to a hammer, everything looks like a nail' situation to me.

Tying immigration or refugee intake to crime is pretty bullshit, both from a logical and a moral perspective.

 

[Saint]

Life is harder for immigrants. More language difficulty, greater social barriers to overcome, lower socio-economic circumstances.

They need more help, like a lot of disadvantaged groups, not just reduce the number of them.

If indigenous people are suffering and new immigrants are suffering, maybe the problems is the system we've set up for them, not the people themselves.

 

[Gough]

When?

People have been fleeing Sudan for a long, long time. Do you know if he's been born here? Do you know if he's a citizen?

You're taking an awful lot on assumption from media who swallowed whole 'children overboard', who actively project xenophobic politicians to wider Australia.

You could look at it as Australia paying the consequences for British colonialism again. As is often the case you don't need to go far back in history to find their fingerprints all over things.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Should we stop the immigration of Indigenous people?

African Australians over-represented in Victorian prisons | African Australian Advocacy Centre

Highlighting the disproportionate incarceration of African Australians in Victoria, the AAAC calls for action against racial profiling and media bias. Learn more about the community's significant contributions.

www.africanaustralianadvocacy.org.au

Thanks for providing the link.

I am surprised somewhat that your stance after reading that article is that we should lower immigration and not, you know, seek to improve normalisation and nationalisation processes to assist new immigrants to integrate with wider society better.

At the very least - as the article points out - police could be better at de-escalation and the targetting of minorities.

African Australians are just that, Australians and therefore irrelevant to the deportation discussion.

Unless of course we have a discussion about deporting Australians to where.............?

 

[Carringbush2010]

His family were refugees from Sudan…this has been stated in the media

So he's probably an Australian citizen then?

 

[CM86]

No it’s not genetic. Come on.

So what's the reason, if it isn't genetic?

 

[Rob R]

His family were refugees from Sudan…this has been stated in the media

And pretty well all of the crime isn't actually committed by the refugees but by their Australian citizens children who are being raised In our softly softly noone is responsible for their actions society of today. The actual refugees are mostly hard-working decent people who are trying to raise their kids well but are undermined by the actions of groups like social workers who think individual bad behaviour is the fault of society not the individual.

Talk to some of the parents and like other Australian parents, you will hear the same frustrations about how schools teach kids what they can get away with more than what they owe to society.

BTW, I think our refugee numbers should be cut significantly and the rules tightened - I just don't think so because of law and order issues, Australia has infrastructure and debt issues and should take care of our own. If we want to help foreigners in trouble, we help them fix the problems at home not just bring a few lucky people here.

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[Dan Moody]

Another reason to drastically lower immigration

Muslim men accused of harassing female water park staff

An Islamic 'brothers only' day out at a popular water park is being investigated amid claims female staff members were subjected to vile slurs and harassment.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Chief]

Another reason to drastically lower immigration

Muslim men accused of harassing female water park staff

An Islamic 'brothers only' day out at a popular water park is being investigated amid claims female staff members were subjected to vile slurs and harassment.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sounds terrible, and they should face consequences of course, but not unique to Muslims.