Why didn't knights trade Lovett??

[Jex]

Lovett wasn't traded because nobody was prepared to give up a draft pick that truly reflects his value (in Essendon's eyes). All we've learned or had reinforced is that if you offer nothing, you get nothing in return.

And as for the message to the Essendon players (hopefully including Lovett), they know the club's tolerance level for poor behaviour or lack of commitment is at an all time low regardless of no deal being struck.

 

[Jex]

He is toxic waste.

People might've said the same of Darren Milane, yet Pie fans see him as a hero cut down in his prime. 17 years on, 2 Collingwood players decided drinking and driving and lying go hand in hand. Young men in their early to mid 20s are just about the most immature group of people in society (toddlers included). They make dumb decisions and then have exclusive footy show interviews to say sorry with a tear in their eye. Lets not dish out labels such as "toxic waste" without first emptying the dumpster at back of the Lexus Centre.

 

[bomber69]

And ran a million miles in the other direction after talking to him

No, Lovett just didn't show his desire to make a move to Sydney.

 

[Oggy's cousin]

I wouldn't expect any bombers supporters to take shots at other clubs now about club culture..
Knights made a call on Lovett, and decided that Essendon wont tolerate what Lovett was dishing out. Now it seems he will tolerate it if he cant get a good enough draft pick. As far as Im concerned, knights made a call to get rid of this guy from the club and now he's gone back on it. In the end he should have just taken what he could get for him and got rid of him. What sort of message does this send now.. If a players bad for yr club, you dont compromise. But by knights keeping him, he has. SUre, you try to get the best deal, but by the end of trade week he needed to be moved on. The issues Lovett has with Essendon have nothing to do with what pick you can get for him. Either a decision to keep him, or get rid of him should be made. It looks like now Lovetts the winner and that Knights has excpetions and will compromise his values.

He wasn't traded for two reasons, and two reasons only.

1. Geelong could not fit him in under their salary cap
2. Sydney withdrew their interest

Other than that, no other clubs were interested.

Facts.

 

[Bollox]

They certainly TRIED to trade him. Not enough interest in him though.

The one club that seemed interested was my mob...but Lovett said he didnt want to go to Sydney and that put an end to it very early.

No club wants to drag someone kicking and screaming that has no interest in their club so u simply do the right thing and immediately withdraw your interest instead of fart arseing people and clubs around.

Wasnt chaseworthy...they certainly tried to offload him tho.

I doubt Geelong were ever serious in the least...a club "showing interest" often appears in the media simply because the player nominates a club or two he'd LIKE to go to...and hence his club goes and speaks with them to try to help him out. Geelong didnt initiate anything obviously.

 

[Longy413]

And ran a million miles in the other direction after talking to him

He declined their offer.


Fact is, he's a good footballer and whilst he makes mistakes he hasn't once taken down another player with him.

The mistakes he makes, he does on his own and he gets punished for them.

That doesn't make a negative impact on the club, it reenforces our values.

Simply put, he's a damn good footballer approaching his peak and he's worth the risk.

Knights was only ever going to trade him if we "won" out of the deal and that's the way it should be.

As a supporter, I couldn't be any happier with how the club conducted itself at trade week.

 

[branedotorg]

if the media reports are to be believed his salary demands certainly made any potential trades more difficult.
i don't think he's worth the 250,000+ per year he wanted unless it was an incentive based contract with a low base

 

[Bollox]

Clubs wouldnt even trade for A grade class...and showed even less interest in perceived club recalcitrants. Shaw the only one to get a lifeline coz he was very cheap.

Put it in perspective.

Lovett doesnt have the talent of Nick Davis...people have a go at Davis but in effect all he has done "wrong" is to not fit in and not be fit enough. Hardly bad stuff and hardly any grounds to not be interested if u think u can get him fit and firing.

In Lovett's case he's actually been a classic knobjockey who has been in strife with the law, overrated himself like a goose, pissed his club off on the grog and generally shown disdain to the Dons who have given him every chance.

We know that hypocrisy is rife in here...but when u actually think about it Lovett is below Nick Davis as a potential recruit for your club right now. He's already >25 anyway isnt he ?...proven nothing.

I understand Dons fans wouldnt want to hear a realistic comparison with Davis but in terms of this trade period thats just the reality of it.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Clubs wouldnt even trade for A grade class...and showed even less interest in perceived club recalcitrants. Shaw the only one to get a lifeline coz he was very cheap.

Put it in perspective.

Lovett doesnt have the talent of Nick Davis...people have a go at Davis but in effect all he has done "wrong" is to not fit in and not be fit enough. Hardly bad stuff and hardly any grounds to not be interested if u think u can get him fit and firing.

In Lovett's case he's actually been a classic knobjockey who has been in strife with the law, overrated himself like a goose, pissed his club off on the grog and generally shown disdain to the Dons who have given him every chance.

We know that hypocrisy is rife in here...but when u actually think about it Lovett is below Nick Davis as a potential recruit for your club right now. He's already >25 anyway isnt he ?...proven nothing.

I understand Dons fans wouldnt want to hear a realistic comparison with Davis but in terms of this trade period thats just the reality of it.

the thing about lovett though is that he isnt your ordinary 25-26 year old. he has only played for 4 seasons, the first 2.5 were spent in the forward line, he is still pretty raw, only played about 15-20 games in the midfeild, it takes a while to learn how to play there effectively.. he still has a lot of learning to do, whereas i think davis has shown everything he can offer.

 

[Convocation]

I also understand that Knights was supposedly very arrogant and very greedy (1st draft and maybe his way of showing he deserved to be there), by putting up ridiculous trades suggestions early in the draft, making many not want to deal with Essendon and a trade with lovett.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Clubs wouldnt even trade for A grade class...and showed even less interest in perceived club recalcitrants. Shaw the only one to get a lifeline coz he was very cheap.

Put it in perspective.

Lovett doesnt have the talent of Nick Davis...people have a go at Davis but in effect all he has done "wrong" is to not fit in and not be fit enough. Hardly bad stuff and hardly any grounds to not be interested if u think u can get him fit and firing.

In Lovett's case he's actually been a classic knobjockey who has been in strife with the law, overrated himself like a goose, pissed his club off on the grog and generally shown disdain to the Dons who have given him every chance.

We know that hypocrisy is rife in here...but when u actually think about it Lovett is below Nick Davis as a potential recruit for your club right now. He's already >25 anyway isnt he ?...proven nothing.

I understand Dons fans wouldnt want to hear a realistic comparison with Davis but in terms of this trade period thats just the reality of it.

Bollox - thanks for trivialising the issue. I agree Davis has achieved way more than Lovett and could well end up ahead at the end of their careers. But lets also remember
-Lovett is actuall playing AFL
-Lovett is a tool who stuffed up twice due to excessive parting but otherwise trains well
-Davis is not fit enough to play AFL and has an attitude problem
-Did Davis not have a sooky in the media?
-Davis has footy baggage - he wanted to go home and now the lub he went to have had enough of him.

So who would you prefer - a guy playing AFL with social issues or a guy who shows a real lack of commitment. hmmmmmm

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I also understand that Knights was supposedly very arrogant and very greedy (1st draft and maybe his way of showing he deserved to be there), by putting up ridiculous trades suggestions early in the draft, making many not want to deal with Essendon and a trade with lovett.

Says who?

 

[Convocation]

Says who?

Says a AFL club staff member. Can't and won't divulge anymore then that on the source. I like Knights, but this is first hand information, but you don't know me from a bar of soap, so your choice if you want to ignore it or not.

 

[beastie]

I also understand that Knights was supposedly very arrogant and very greedy (1st draft and maybe his way of showing he deserved to be there), by putting up ridiculous trades suggestions early in the draft, making many not want to deal with Essendon and a trade with lovett.

We asked for Prismall and pick 33 for lovett.

They offered Tenace instead of pick 33.

What would you have said?

 

[Bollox]

Bollox - thanks for trivialising the issue. I agree Davis has achieved way more than Lovett and could well end up ahead at the end of their careers. But lets also remember
-Lovett is actuall playing AFL
-Lovett is a tool who stuffed up twice due to excessive parting but otherwise trains well
-Davis is not fit enough to play AFL and has an attitude problem
-Did Davis not have a sooky in the media?
-Davis has footy baggage - he wanted to go home and now the lub he went to have had enough of him.

So who would you prefer - a guy playing AFL with social issues or a guy who shows a real lack of commitment. hmmmmmm

You can sugar coat it all u like...u can pretend to yourself there are other reasons why hardly anyone was interested in Lovett. You can overrate one of your own blokes to your hearts content too.

I told you the cold hard reality of where Lovett is right now and why clubs other than mine simply werent interested.

Basically you have yourself a bloke whose only talent is a bit of pace....and absolutely no redeeming features as a potential recruit other than that.

That sledge by Riewoldt midseason is basically close to the mark...thats what clubs think of him and who the hell wants to take that on board when at 25 he's done nothing to warrant taking the risk.

You may not like it...but he's pretty much looked at as an athletic drunk wife beater....he made his own nest.

 

[Convocation]

We asked for Prismall and pick 33 for lovett.

They offered Tenace instead of pick 33.

What would you have said?

I would of said what Geelong said when you threw that trade up, thanks but no thanks. No way Lovett is worth Prismall and pick 33.
Tenace and pick 33 is a fairer deal
Either way, I'm only going by what I was told and reading between the lines.

 

[Jade]

I'm very happy with the way the club, and in particular Matthew Knights handled this situation.

Lovett's indiscretions were not huge, but the club nonetheless let him know that it would not be tolerated through suspending him.

Openly declaring he was available to trade was a win-win for the club, because if a suitable deal could have been found we would have been well compensated for the loss. If none could be (and I'm glad they didn't), then we have a talented, if sometimes misguided player who has been given a stiff kick to put him on the straight and narrow.

 

[Jamie007]

Geelong wanted to get rid of Steve Johnson at the end of 2006, no one wanted to take him. Look at what has happened since

it shows that your an uneducated football supporter

Oh so thats the qualification I need to be educated in AFL. I think you will find that both Collingwood and Essendon wanted Johnson enough to put him through a medical which he failed. Thats the only reason they didnt take him. But I might be totally wrong on that, as I am uneducated in AFL..

 

[hateitorlovett13]

You can sugar coat it all u like...u can pretend to yourself there are other reasons why hardly anyone was interested in Lovett. You can overrate one of your own blokes to your hearts content too.

I told you the cold hard reality of where Lovett is right now and why clubs other than mine simply werent interested.

Basically you have yourself a bloke whose only talent is a bit of pace....and absolutely no redeeming features as a potential recruit other than that.

That sledge by Riewoldt midseason is basically close to the mark...thats what clubs think of him and who the hell wants to take that on board when at 25 he's done nothing to warrant taking the risk.

You may not like it...but he's pretty much looked at as an athletic drunk wife beater....he made his own nest.

Pfft, we're overrating Lovett? Maybe we are, but I think that's pretty rich from someone who thinks Nick Davis is considerably more talented than him...Kicking set shots at goal? Yes, he has Lovett covered in that department. That's just about it though champ. Lovett's pace, as you have mentioned, is absolutely blistering, but his skills are a significant part of his game and the ability to kick well at full pace is very valuable- not many can do it, even at AFL level.

The club overrated Lovett themselves because he is a valuable asset to our team (unlike Nick Davis has ever been for any team). Our game plan is based around guys with his kind of pace, and a guy who can run like that and finish as well will only become more valuable with the increasing pace of the game today. As a result, we were only going to get rid of him if we had a ridiculously good offer, and if he was going to have to take a pay cut or move interstate then I think it's fair enough that he didn't want to leave.

 

[efcboy]

reading thru all of this lovett never wanted to leave essendon and actually put a figure of 350k on his head which made it difficult to trade him.

knights was never opposed to keeping him from the outset if a decent deal could not be done. look at essendons list - we have monfries, jetta, lovett, davey, lonergan, reimers all capable of playing the HFF role. if you were going to trade one of those you'd logically pick the oldest one being lovett. regardless of his off-field issues he might have been put up for trade at the right price anyway even if he was an angel - just like hamish mcintosh, daniel harris and corey jones were at north. essendon didn't get what they thought he warranted so move on, he stays a bomber.

 

[Slattery_20]

Simple story
Does something to put himself off-side with the coach
Got put on the table
Right deal didn't happen*
No trade
Move on

Stevie Johnson's a good example. Would be happy if Lovett had half the turn-around
As far as I'm concerned purely being put on the table should be enough of a wake-up call.

*(I understand to include Lovett in the Prismall deal we'd have to take Tenace or someone as cap relief for the Cats)

 

[yaco55]

Lovett is a contracted player and therefore held the upper hand in negotiations.

Lovett is one of many contracted players such as Harris, Jones, McIntosh, Kerr, Seaby etc who weren't traded.

 

[Longy413]

All I can go by is what 1, that's correct 1 persons oponion was

Opinion is not fact.

who was at the draft in Canberra

The draft, nor the trade period are conducted in Canberra.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The draft, nor the trade period are conducted in Canberra.

He obviously meant draft camp.

 

[beastie]

So your source was at the draft camp before the trade period and made mention of not trading Lovett before it had happened?

Is your source Nostradamus?