Opinion Why don't teams trade player for player any more?

[The Warlord]

Teams very rarely have straight player for player swaps any more.

Shannon Grant

Shannon Grant

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for Wayne Schwass

Wayne Schwass

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is the classic of the genre, but Heath Shaw

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Heath Shaw

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for Taylor Adams

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Taylor Adams

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was relatively recent.

These trades are often win/win/win/win - for the clubs and players involved.

Has the Draft Value Index killed this kind of trade of good?

 

[eastfreo75]

1. 5 parties have to sign off a trade, both clubs, both players and the AFL.
2. Most of trades are player driven and they choose the team. Limits the potential trades for player/player trade.
3. Most are either a player wanting to go home or more opportunities. Again you need two players to want the stay thing.

Planets need to align to get a player for player trade.

 

[1970crow]

Teams very rarely have straight player for player swaps any more.

Shannon Grant for Wayne Schwass is the classic of the genre, but Heath Shaw for Taylor Adams was relatively recent.

These trades are often win/win/win/win - for the clubs and players involved.

Has the Draft Value Index killed this kind of trade of good?

Would any of those have qualified for RFA? That'll have killed the trades in the current day.

 

[Jen2310]

Would any of those have qualified for RFA? That'll have killed the trades in the current day.

Heath Shaw - Yes. Adams? No. Was only at GWS for the 2 years.

 

[1970crow]

Heath Shaw - Yes. Adams? No. Was only at GWS for the 2 years.

Just checked Schwass and he'd have been UFA, so neither of those trades would have happened.

 

[The Warlord]

Would any of those have qualified for RFA? That'll have killed the trades in the current day.

Yep, excellent point.

 

[WilloTree]

Lewis Jetta for Callum Sinclair is the only one I can think of semi-recently, and Jetta has retired.

It's rare.

 

[The Warlord]

Lewis Jetta for Callum Sinclair is the only one I can think of semi-recently, and Jetta has retired.

It's rare.

Good call ... that's after the age free agency too?

 

[Scotland]

Jetta was drafted in 2009 and traded in 2015, so not eligible for RFA status.

Player for player doesn't happen often because it requires two players of commensurate value both wanting to trade places.

Jetta wants to return to WA and join WC, WC want him, Sinclair is happy to move to Sydney and chase a #1 ruck spot, Sydney need a ruck, both players are considered fairly even in value. It's a lot of ducks to line up. Most times that trade gets done with Jetta being traded for a pick +/- a few spots of some arbitrary rating, or as part of a pick swap.

Teams trading for established players also rarely want to give up established players. They would rather just give up picks knowing whoever they took wouldn't have an impact for 2-3 years.

 

[master bate]

Free agency is a factor but I think it's more the ability to trade future picks and the differing values that clubs put on certain picks that makes a bigger factor.

Clubs need to shuffle their late and future picks around to find varying opportunities. A team with a couple of academy players will want a pair of 3rd rounders for value. A team looking to trade a future first rounder might need to fill a vacant spot in their future 3rd round pick to allow that to occur.

And it's often all a big chessboard attempting to add and subtract pieces in deals to come to an overall outcome.

 

[The Warlord]

Free agency is a factor but I think it's more the ability to trade future picks and the differing values that clubs put on certain picks that makes a bigger factor.

Clubs need to shuffle their late and future picks around to find varying opportunities. A team with a couple of academy players will want a pair of 3rd rounders for value. A team looking to trade a future first rounder might need to fill a vacant spot in their future 3rd round pick to allow that to occur.

And it's often all a big chessboard attempting to add and subtract pieces in deals to come to an overall outcome.

Agree.

It's also to the advantage of clubs if they're smart. North effectively traded Ben Brown for Jaidyn Stephenson after running the draft currency through the market as it were.

 

[tiger_tough]

Shaun Grigg for Andrew Collins

As mentioned above I think it's a combination of things. Free agency, the introduction of future pick trading, live trading, academies, father-sons and a convoluted points system that goes with them.

 

[The Warlord]

Shaun Grigg for Andrew Collins

As mentioned above I think it's a combination of things. Free agency, the introduction of future pick trading, live trading, academies, father-sons and a convoluted points system that goes with them.

Yep, great call.

 

[tiger_tough]

Yep, great call.

Funnily enough I recall a lot of Tiger fans not happy with that deal at the time

 

[weltschmerz]

Dogs board was keen to trade Pat Lipinski for Max Lynch.

 

[devil demon]

Lewis Jetta for Callum Sinclair is the only one I can think of semi-recently, and Jetta has retired.

It's rare.

Preuss for Dom Tyson and pick 62 comes to mind. Although wouldn't say that trade would have any impact for either club. These days player for player trades are done more as one player are steak knives or the club brings it up to help players get more opportunities.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I know for a fact that Richmond put Ben Lennon

Ben Lennon

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on the table as a swap for Chris Yarran back in 2015 (despite the club denying it once it was rejected).

 

[TradeDraft]

Heath Shaw - Yes. Adams? No. Was only at GWS for the 2 years.

Though was Highly Rated by GWS.

Was Win/Win as Heater was Moved on and Gave Experience to a Young GWS Team and we got in a Highly Rated Inside Mid

 

[The Warlord]

Though was Highly Rated by GWS.

Was Win/Win as Heater was Moved on and Gave Experience to a Young GWS Team and we got in a Highly Rated Inside Mid

Perfect example of the trade working well both ways.

GWS had a stack of top quality inside mids, got good currency for him and helped establish their reputation as fair team to do do business with.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Dogs board was keen to trade Pat Lipinski for Max Lynch.

It’s kind of odd that Lynch wasn’t keen on going to the dogs.

 

[weltschmerz]

It’s kind of odd that Lynch wasn’t keen on going to the dogs.

Yeah, his competition for number one ruck would be 35-year-old Stef Martin and largely unproved Jordon Sweet.

 

[Bulldogs85]

It’s kind of odd that Lynch wasn’t keen on going to the dogs.

Maybe we were not interested in him

 

[Docker82]

Would any of those have qualified for RFA? That'll have killed the trades in the current day.

The Shaw/Adams trade happened in the free agency era. Perhaps Shaw was contracted?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Maybe because of salary cap diffential between players these days ?

 

[eastfreo75]

Pre draft, only player trade were available.