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Will Melbourne and Nth Melb be around in 10 years time ?
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Our first recruit will be the bloke with three strikes.
you've already got him.
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You should be praying that North and Melbourne don't merge and introduce Tassie in to the comp.
We all know what happens to Hawthorn when they aren't winning.
You should be praying that North and Melbourne don't merge and introduce Tassie in to the comp.
We all know what happens to Hawthorn when they aren't winning.
That's like telling Saul Eslake you're taking $6mill or 0.00025% from the ANZ because he has an opinion.
We add something to the competition as the TV Rights deal is quite abit higher with a Sydney based team and it helps make the AFL a truely national code. Also the 1996, 2005 and 2006 Grand Finals got some of the highest ratings in AFL history.
The Swans add something to the competition (the competition would be worse off without us). Do you honestly think the AFL would be worse off if North Melbourne ceased to exist?
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Absolutely - they would just be replaced by some artificial entity with an atrocious jumper and no soul !!
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A little perspective hey, and seems you're obviously a young supporter here's some stuff from your own wikipedi page:
Dark times
The club's form was to slump in the following year.
By 1988 the licence was sold back to the VFL for ten dollars. Losses were in the millions. A group of financial backers including Mike Willessee, Basil Sellers, Peter Weinert and Craig Kimberley purchased the licence and bankrolled the club until 1993, when the AFL stepped in.
Morale at the side plummeted as players were asked to take pay cuts.[11] Legendary coach Tom Hafey was sacked by the club in 1988 after a player-led rebellion at his tough training methods (unusual in the semi-professional days of that era).
Capper was sold to the Brisbane Bears for $400,000 in a desperate attempt to improve the club’s finances. Instead, it only led to disastrous on-field performances. Instead of a 100-goal-a-season forward, Sydney’s goalkicking was led by defender Bernard Toohey with 29 in 1989, then Jim West with 34 in 1990. Players left the club in droves, including Brownlow Medalist Greg Williams, Bernard Toohey and Barry Mitchell. The careers of stars such as Dennis Carroll, David Bolton, Tony Morwood and David Murphy came to an end, while promising young players like Jamie Lawson, Robert Teal and Paul Bryce had their careers cut short by injury.
Attendances consistently dropped below 10,000 when the team performed poorly between 1990 and 1994. The side finished last on the ladder in 1992, 1993 and 1994.
The AFL began to step in to save the Swans, offering substantial monetary and management support. The club survived, despite strong rumours in 1992 that it would merge with the Brisbane Bears or fold altogether. With draft and salary cap concessions in the early 1990s and a series of notable recruits, the team fielded a competitive team after the early part of the decade. During this time, the side was largely held together by two inspirational skippers, both from the Wagga Wagga region of country New South Wales, Dennis Carroll and later the courageous captain Paul Kelly.
Desperate to hang on, the club was keen to enlist the biggest names and identities in the AFL, and recruited legendary coach Ron Barassi who helped save the club from extinction while serving them as coach from Round 7, 1993 to 1995. At roughly the same time, Hawthorn legend Dermott Brereton was also recruited, albeit with little on-field impact.
West Sydney is not going to work I just wish the AFL would turn its back on this idea and go with Tassie.
Tassie has a stadium and financial backing were AFL got to find all the money for West Sydney.
People in Sydney like there Rugby and some dont even know what AFL is
Tassie has a stadium and financial backing were AFL got to find all the money for West Sydney.
People in Sydney like there Rugby and some dont even know what AFL is
Yeah we give the comp nothing.
Seriously could you possibly be any more arrogant.
Do a wiki search and you might be surprised by the number of things we haven't given to the whole comp.
Many of the traditions and initiatives that have become so entrenched in the fabric and psyche of our game were thought up by North Melbourne. North has a proud history of footy firsts that has given them the reputation of being the pioneers of the AFL.
Apart from co-founding the first ever football league in Victoria - the VFA, and being the first club to install seats at their home ground, they were also the first club to introduce:
Club memberships
Jumper sponsorships
Corporate Entertainment
Coterie Memberships
Grand Final Breakfasts
Friday Night Football
And Cheersquads
All of these ideas were quickly copied by the other clubs and have made our game what it is today.
North has never been afraid to try out new ideas. In 1984, the Club moved away from it's suburban ground at Arden St, and moved to the much larger MCG. The resulting move kicked off the ground rationalisation in the VFL and saw clubs abandon their home grounds for larger stadiums at the MCG, Waverly and Docklands.In 1986, North became the first privatised club in the league, which was followed by Sydney and Fitzroy.
Other minor achievements are that they were the first club to play games interstate when in 1998 they trialled a home game in Canberra, which has now been copied by Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs.
I'll give you one thing. North have been the most innovative club in the AFL by far.
You know why?
Because they've had to be.
If they had no been innovative, they would have been dead years ago.
But despite their innovative culture, the harsh reality is that they have a tiny suppotter base, and limited sponorship potential because of this, and if they died tomorrow the AFL wouldn't miss a beat.
It's worth noting that when Port Adelaide "replaced" Fitzroy as the 16th team in 1997 the AFL recorded it's highest every crowd averages in 1997. Yes it was sad to see Fitzroy go, but there is no doubt the AFL is better off with 10 Victorian clubs instead of 11.
If North died tomorow, the AFL wouldn't miss a beat. The AFL would hardly be affected.
West Sydney, if they were introduced at North's expense, would be far, FAR more important to the AFL than little old North Melbourne.
Sydney represents 4.4 million people in a city that doesn't have an Aussie Rules culture. Hence the VITAL importance of growing this market. If you love Aussie Rule and want to see it thrive and grow, then you support a team in Western Sydney.
North are not important, never have been important, and the North Melbourne footall club is not important to the AFL in terms of growing the game.
That's no arrogant, or disprespectful. It's the truth.
Your club is small, and your club is not as relevant to a national league as what it was when it was a suburban league.
West Sydney and the Gold Coast are not twice as importat. They are twenty times as important as North Melbourne.
If it meant nothing then he wouldn't have issued an apology and wouldn't have retracted his statement.
He is putting his foot in his mouth and is probably doing more harm for the cause than good.
All clubs add something to the broadcasting deal. NSW and QLD are more developing markets, as it is very few games get on at reasonable hour so the present value is still low, there is just a significant potential there if in the future a lot of people watch football during prime time.
Broadcasters don't want to play Swans game at peak times but they have to if they wanted the broadcasting rights. This is a current problem because with the existing requirements the broadcasters don't want more NSW or QLD games, to them it doesn't represent value having to broadcast them prime into low rating areas and if they lose money on those games it will be reflected in what they will pay for the broadcasting rights.
If in 50 years AFL is strong in NSW and QLD they will be all over the games, but at present the AFL has a gun to their head to play the games. Even Swans games in Sydney rate poorly compared to the typical shows played during that timeslot. Sports are always lower than family shows but AFL is not strong there yet.
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For one, the long term success of a West Sydney and Gold Coast team is still very much unknown no matter how much research is undertaken. You say that North is not important to the AFL in terms of growing the game? Explain to me how Essendon is more important than North Melbourne in terms of growing the game.
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if those figures are accurate then that is just insane
How the hell are you guys meant to make cash with those stadium deals. FFS, Geelong are making more off one game with 15K less people than you guys are making off 11
That's F'ed up!!
Not true. Carlton was looking down the same barrell we were and they refused to do anything other than ask for a big loan from the AFL. If Pratt didn't come back they would still have done nothing.
AFL would go on even if Essendon or Collingwood died, so that isn't saying a lot. People prefer to see two good teams play than two mediocre teams. When Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton were struggling our game vs Eagles out-rated Collingwood vs Essendon, I think it was the highest H&A rating game that year. So size and wealth doesn't mean absolute success.
Essendon have 4 home games on fox, Collignwood has 3. We have 6. We contribute a lot more towards the pay-tv component, they are live and exclusive played against the gate. Pay-tv represents a third fo the broadcasting rights, the weaker teams contribute a lot more towards that component yet receive no benefits such has higher sponsorship for fta exposure and higher crowds for not being live against the gate.
If clubs like North (6), Bulldogs(5) and Melbourne (6) were to vanish this year then that is 17 more Foxtel games that would come from the remaining Melbourne clubs. Tell me it wont have an impact on your club. You are going to get a lot more home games against interstate teams and your profit margins will start to shrink and your sponsorship money will start to shrink because you have less FTA exposure. FTA broadcasting rights would also shrink because of fewer Melbourne games. This isn't my opinion, broadcasters said even losing one Melbourne game would see a reduction in the broadcasting rights, even if they were replaced with an interstate team.
Do you think for one moment if clubs like Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond could make a lot more money without us around they wouldn't have stuck the knife in our back a long time ago?
They are actively supporting the clubs and it is not for feel-good reasons, we piss Collingwood off all the time because of the jumper but they know the reality of what will happen if teams die here, it will start a domino effect.
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Of course they will.
They help form the very fabric of our game. Sure, we all have our moments and run ins, but the game will never be the same if either of these two sides are merged/relocated/wiped off the map.
Jim Stynes is a terrific person, and doing a wonderful job, as is JB at North. The Dees will be back. In a year or two, their side will be finals material, and they'll improve this year as long as injuries are kind.
A North vs Melb GF would be a victory for true football. In the same breath, I hope West Sydney is pushed back years, and the GC waits a tad longer. We need to make sure things are right as they are, and they're on the right track.
They help form the very fabric of our game. Sure, we all have our moments and run ins, but the game will never be the same if either of these two sides are merged/relocated/wiped off the map.
Jim Stynes is a terrific person, and doing a wonderful job, as is JB at North. The Dees will be back. In a year or two, their side will be finals material, and they'll improve this year as long as injuries are kind.
A North vs Melb GF would be a victory for true football. In the same breath, I hope West Sydney is pushed back years, and the GC waits a tad longer. We need to make sure things are right as they are, and they're on the right track.
if those figures are accurate then that is just insane
How the hell are you guys meant to make cash with those stadium deals. FFS, Geelong are making more off one game with 15K less people than you guys are making off 11
That's F'ed up!!
It also impacts teams like Collingwood and Essendon, you get better deals than us but nothing remotely like what Geelong or interstate teams get with a clean stadium.
It is why all clubs want to see change, because it is not just more money for us, it is more money for all Victorian clubs.
footyfreak
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so what is the solution?
You guys (Vic footy supporters) got a nice new indoor stadium in the cbd (segway from the SA Stadium rumour thread) and now it is screwing some clubs to the wall.
I think the new teams would add a lot long-term, just don't know how they will go in the short-term. I think the AFL would need to have a smaller stadium in Melbourne if they are going to add GC, WS and possibly a Tasmanian team in the future. Based on what the current stadiums return and the break-even mark a lot of clubs are going to struggle to make any money on games against them.
I really think they need to resolve the stadium issue in Victoria before they add more interstate teams. They just seem to be talking with no real action happening. I think the AFL should look at buying out what is left on TD or look at building a cheap smaller clean stadium with a 25-30k capacity.
In 10 to 20 years time god knows what will have happend to the game with a couple of them tossers running the show at this rate with the changes they bring in every year the game will be rooted in that time.
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