Review Winners and losers - trade week 2024

[adammania9]

I don't think they can sort their key forwards.

Why would they need to? They have the same forwards they won a premiership with and will add Membrey for nothing.

 

[adammania9]

He is a gun but I'm not sure if Collingwood need another HBF, and they picked up 2. If they had done what Hawthorn had managed and picked up Battle and Barrass then they would have knocked it out of the park. Instead they are paying about $1.8m per year for 2 HBF and haven't covered the holes that were obvious this year.

With Noble wanting out, half back was the clear area of need for the list besides key defence. Battle would have been nice but the Hawks beat us to him, and Barrass is older, a lesser player and less reliable ina couple of years when we’ll be resetting.

If not for securing Houston, we’d have been probably lining up Hoskin-Elliott and/or the 5 game Wil Parker for the position. The dominoes that fall as a result of getting Houston are big. Several players benefit with regards to their role.

Perryman will rotate between back and mid. Big contract but he boosts depth in multiple positions.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Adelaide SUPER underrated trade period.

Add 3 mature aged, best 22 players in Neal-Bullen, Cumming and Peatling and go into draft night with a top 5 pick.

Nicks finally getting games into players such as Dowling and Taylor (who both looked up to it) means they'll head into 2025 with more depth than they've enjoyed in a long time.

If Thrillthorpe and Fogarty can stay fit all season, as well as Murray, Butts and the tall defensive end, then they should be looking at 10 wins minimum next year.

Adelaide hasn't lacked depth. Their SANFL side has been far better than Ports.

They lack top end talent, especially a full time gun mid.

They have probably improved but I'm not sure if it is as much as people are thinking.

And yes, like everyone, they did better than Port.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Adelaide hasn't lacked depth. Their SANFL side has been far better than Ports.

They lack top end talent, especially a full time gun mid.

They have probably improved but I'm not sure if it is as much as people are thinking.

And yes, like everyone, they did better than Port.

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No, Adelaide lacked depth. We traded out 2 players from our best side this season & also lost Sloane.

We were found wanting with players lacking experience when we had injuries or suspension.

Sure Port have less depth, but doesn't mean Adelaide lacked depth too.

It's why it was so important to bring in 3 players for next season.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Richmond was bold very bold

Swing for the fences trade period

no guarantee of anything , but we are more chance of winning another flag now than we where before .

Very exciting for Richmond fans

Most sides achieve nothing and then have to rebuild with your stock standard draft picks, maybe a free agent compensation, an older player trading out.

The perfect set of circumstances eventuated for our rebuild and we got a premium on a number of players who we would have gotten much less for if they weren't premiership players. This is an expansion side draft hand we have been given and if we take all the picks and really nail 5-6 (or more) of them, we are going to bounce back hard.

 

[ABAB]

Adelaide hasn't lacked depth. Their SANFL side has been far better than Ports.

They lack top end talent, especially a full time gun mid.

They have probably improved but I'm not sure if it is as much as people are thinking.

And yes, like everyone, they did better than Port.

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Our core of top end talents are still young outside of Dawson and Rankine, Fogarty has shown this year he can take the next step as a top end talent next year. The SANFL side is strong as there are quality youngsters coming through and also we've carried 3-4 players with more experience in the AFL side who shouldn't be there which is the same as you guys playing McEntee, Narkle and Evans but after recruiting 3 best 22 players then these players will be push out of the best 22 (provided Nicks doesn't continue to select them).

 

[Bagger72]

Richmond is rebuilding from ground zero - got value for their players but will struggle for the rest of this decade
Collingwood added a couple of class players final year of Penndles and Sidebottoms footskills. There is nothing underneath - very weak depth even with the two quality additions
Essendon - really couldn't afford to do nothing in this draft unless accumulating picks to make a big play on the trade table next season otherwise being so quiet makes no sense.

..everyone else, who?

 

[blaisee]

Richmond is rebuilding from ground zero - got value for their players but will struggle for the rest of this decade
Collingwood added a couple of class players final year of Penndles and Sidebottoms footskills. There is nothing underneath - very weak depth even with the two quality additions
Essendon - really couldn't afford to do nothing in this draft unless accumulating picks to make a big play on the trade table next season otherwise being so quiet makes no sense.

..everyone else, who?

Decade you reckon ?

 

[Bagger72]

Decade you reckon ?

Not what I said - rest of the decade.

 

[blaisee]

Not what I said - rest of the decade.

Mmm

 

[cakewalk06]

Most sides achieve nothing and then have to rebuild with your stock standard draft picks, maybe a free agent compensation, an older player trading out.

The perfect set of circumstances eventuated for our rebuild and we got a premium on a number of players who we would have gotten much less for if they weren't premiership players. This is an expansion side draft hand we have been given and if we take all the picks and really nail 5-6 (or more) of them, we are going to bounce back hard.

And if you are really lucky this draft you will get 3 players as good as Bolton. Rioli and Baker

 

[Eric Shin]

Richmond is rebuilding from ground zero - got value for their players but will struggle for the rest of this decade
Collingwood added a couple of class players final year of Penndles and Sidebottoms footskills. There is nothing underneath - very weak depth even with the two quality additions
Essendon - really couldn't afford to do nothing in this draft unless accumulating picks to make a big play on the trade table next season otherwise being so quiet makes no sense.

..everyone else, who?

How’d you rate Carlton’s depth after the trade/FA period?


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[Leather Poisoning]

I think you have to look at what the goal of the trade period is for each club.

Richmond did a cleanout - and one of the more extreme/effective ones we've seen. Total tank job for sure and would be very surprising if they don't get the spoon next year.
(Compare to west coast and north in similar positions - WC did some weird moves and North topped up with some pensioners).

Collingwood is the one I can't get my head around. Paid a big contract to Perryman who really has never been a top mid at GWS and not really shown much more than a flexible role player. Houston is a gun but surely they had to go hard at getting key position players? They've spent all their picks on a forward pocket and a HBF the last two years?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

No, Adelaide lacked depth. We traded out 2 players from our best side this season & also lost Sloane.

We were found wanting with players lacking experience when we had injuries or suspension.

Sure Port have less depth, but doesn't mean Adelaide lacked depth too.

It's why it was so important to bring in 3 players for next season.

Do you think adding depth is a difference maker for you though?

Are you concerned about the midfield still?

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you think adding depth is a difference maker for you though?

Are you concerned about the midfield still?

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Absolutely depth was an issue for us this year as we regularly had very inexperienced teams.

The midfield is definitely stronger now, not only with the ins, but with more players now 50+ games.

No excuses for Nicks next year as we have around 30 decent AFL level players.

 

[adammania9]

I think you have to look at what the goal of the trade period is for each club.

Richmond did a cleanout - and one of the more extreme/effective ones we've seen. Total tank job for sure and would be very surprising if they don't get the spoon next year.
(Compare to west coast and north in similar positions - WC did some weird moves and North topped up with some pensioners).

Collingwood is the one I can't get my head around. Paid a big contract to Perryman who really has never been a top mid at GWS and not really shown much more than a flexible role player. Houston is a gun but surely they had to go hard at getting key position players? They've spent all their picks on a forward pocket and a HBF the last two years?

What key position players were available? The Hawks beat our interest in Battle, and Barrass would have come at a similar cost to Houston (if we could have secured his trade request), but is older and will likely play less footy. Houston a bigger need with Noble wanting out.

There were no forwards available who are upgrades on what we have

 

[Leather Poisoning]

What key position players were available? The Hawks beat our interest in Battle, and Barrass would have come at a similar cost to Houston (if we could have secured his trade request), but is older and will likely play less footy. Houston a bigger need with Noble wanting out.

There were no forwards available who are upgrades on what we have

Even trying to get a decent ruck on the list would have been good.

"Nobody was available" is a fair argument to a point - but when clubs identify a need and go hard at a player they can often dislodge a contracted player.
But even if they tried their best and absolutely couldn't get anyone over the line - I still think Perryman is a very weird addition at the reported salary.

 

[adammania9]

Even trying to get a decent ruck on the list would have been good.

"Nobody was available" is a fair argument to a point - but when clubs identify a need and go hard at a player they can often dislodge a contracted player.
But even if they tried their best and absolutely couldn't get anyone over the line - I still think Perryman is a very weird addition at the reported salary.

Our rucks are beyond fine. Cameron made the AA squad this year and Cox is a great backup.

Contracted players make themselves available and then clubs go for them, not the other way around.

Perryman's contract is excessive, but we had the space to afford him and he boosts depth in a few positions. Free of trade cost makes him a fine addition, much like Josh Battle to your club despite already having Scrimshaw and Sicily.

 

[HairyO]

I think you have to look at what the goal of the trade period is for each club.

Richmond did a cleanout - and one of the more extreme/effective ones we've seen. Total tank job for sure and would be very surprising if they don't get the spoon next year.
(Compare to west coast and north in similar positions - WC did some weird moves and North topped up with some pensioners).

Collingwood is the one I can't get my head around. Paid a big contract to Perryman who really has never been a top mid at GWS and not really shown much more than a flexible role player. Houston is a gun but surely they had to go hard at getting key position players? They've spent all their picks on a forward pocket and a HBF the last two years?

Oh they for sure get the spoon in 2025.

Its what happens in 2026 which matters. Can them move up to 15th or 16th, and then aim for 10th to 12th in 2027? Or is it spoon 2025, spoon 2026 with the coach sacked late in the year, 15th or 16th in 2027 with all their mature players retiring or wanting trades.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Do you think adding depth is a difference maker for you though?

Are you concerned about the midfield still?

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Midfield looks a lot better with ANB allowing Rankine to become more full time in there (instead of Murphy), adding Peatling (has traits that our midfield lacks) and also pick 4. It's in a far healthier state now, especially with Laird hopefully never going through there again.

Adding quality role players allows us to utilise our genuine A graders in Dawson and Rankine better and should see an uptick in performance. Rankine and Peatling also add genuine pace/dynamic traits to our midfield that's sorely lacked for years now.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Fair enough.

I think Pick4 will need to become a gun full time midfielder for you to genuinely challenge. That will take a couple of years at best.

That will allow Soligo to be #2 and Rankine and Dawson to keep playing their part time roles. Peatling can be part of a strong midfield team but I don't think he is that top end talent.

Time will tell.

 

[tiger_tough]

Loading up on one or two drafts the way Richmond has is very rarely a model for success.

Best case scenario, all their picks pay off, in which case your salary cap is cooked when they come out of their rookie deals at the same time.

Worst case scenario you only hit on a couple picks, you fall into a hole for multiple years are your young players get used to losing every week (e.g. Melbourne prior to Roos or North the last decade, that being said they are turning a bit now) which makes the dumping of mature players exercise useless.

Who wins their BnF next year? Taranto? The bloke takes every second season off with injury.

But no established club has ever done it to this degree before?

Blair managed a dynasty team salary cap to perfection; I reckon he can handle a few kids coming out of contract in a few years.

I think you've got Taranto mixed up with Hopper

 

[Tristan34]

Even trying to get a decent ruck on the list would have been good.

"Nobody was available" is a fair argument to a point - but when clubs identify a need and go hard at a player they can often dislodge a contracted player.
But even if they tried their best and absolutely couldn't get anyone over the line - I still think Perryman is a very weird addition at the reported salary.

The ruck position is so overrated..