Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

[peetoo]

Was Satan even a thing in JCs time on earth?

 

[Gethelred]

Was Satan even a thing in JCs time on earth?

There were devils in the bible, yes. Jesus spent a few days in the wilderness being tempted by a few, and exorcised a few more. Some modern rereadings try and say it was Satan in the desert, you'd have to ask Roylion for translation details.

Chat'd probably be for this thread, though:

Religion - The Bible: Literal, figurative, bulldust?

To clearly delineate conversation between threads, this thread is for specifically bible talk; if you're debating biblical historicity or lack of it, if you're talking interpretation, this is the thread for you. Standard board rules apply. Go nuts.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[barreness]

Or stay here and simp for Putin from the Senate.

Everyone is rightly outraged about racism aimed at the Betts family yet this sort of absolute crap is tolerated coming from the mouth of an actual MP.

Big bottom energy from the Mauritian. Catholics, what can you say

 

[evolved2]

If you think Sam Kerr isn't racist, I'd say you're woke.

Matildas and Chelsea soccer star Sam Kerr allegedly called a British police officer a "stupid white bastard". She refutes that allegation, claiming instead that she called him a "stupid white cop".

Chelsea manager Emma Hayes says Kerr has the clubs "full support" despite Chelsea having 'No To Hate' and 'No Room for Racism' policies. Obviously star players get a bit more leniency on standard rules across the sporting world so I take that into account.

Sam Kerr possesses Indian heritage in her lineage. For those of you who think Kerr isn't racist, is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

 

[Chief]

is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

"Racism" has a specific source. It is a word for a particular type of bigotry.

Check it out.

 

[Gough]

Women are right not to feel safe around Met policeman.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

If you think Sam Kerr isn't racist, I'd say you're woke.

Matildas and Chelsea soccer star Sam Kerr allegedly called a British police officer a "stupid white bastard". She refutes that allegation, claiming instead that she called him a "stupid white cop".

Chelsea manager Emma Hayes says Kerr has the clubs "full support" despite Chelsea having 'No To Hate' and 'No Room for Racism' policies. Obviously star players get a bit more leniency on standard rules across the sporting world so I take that into account.

Sam Kerr possesses Indian heritage in her lineage. For those of you who think Kerr isn't racist, is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

Racism being interpreted as an expression of existing power gaps has been around longer than news corp being able to make you clap like a trained seal by putting ‘woke’ in the headline.

 

[Father Jack]

If you think Sam Kerr isn't racist, I'd say you're woke.

Matildas and Chelsea soccer star Sam Kerr allegedly called a British police officer a "stupid white bastard". She refutes that allegation, claiming instead that she called him a "stupid white cop".

Chelsea manager Emma Hayes says Kerr has the clubs "full support" despite Chelsea having 'No To Hate' and 'No Room for Racism' policies. Obviously star players get a bit more leniency on standard rules across the sporting world so I take that into account.

Sam Kerr possesses Indian heritage in her lineage. For those of you who think Kerr isn't racist, is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

So if I think that Sam Kerr isn't racist, that makes me a a word that is designed to have no meaning? Fair enough, I can live with that.

 

[ShanDog]

"Racism" has a specific source. It is a word for a particular type of bigotry.

Check it out.

It does have a specific source, but it ain't that one. That's a redefinition over time.

 

[Chief]

Whatever it is, it ain't "white cops getting shouted at".

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If you think Sam Kerr isn't racist, I'd say you're woke.

Matildas and Chelsea soccer star Sam Kerr allegedly called a British police officer a "stupid white bastard". She refutes that allegation, claiming instead that she called him a "stupid white cop".

Chelsea manager Emma Hayes says Kerr has the clubs "full support" despite Chelsea having 'No To Hate' and 'No Room for Racism' policies. Obviously star players get a bit more leniency on standard rules across the sporting world so I take that into account.

Sam Kerr possesses Indian heritage in her lineage. For those of you who think Kerr isn't racist, is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

What other heritage is in her lineage? Or did newscorp not explain that part?

 

[ShanDog]

Whatever it is, it ain't "white cops getting shouted at".

I get that it wouldn't sting anything like racism towards a disadvantaged or traditionally oppressed ethnic group. That's obviously true. But I've never seen anyone come up with a legitimate explanation as to why it's any better, or why it isn't racist.

 

[sr36]

Racism being interpreted as an expression of existing power gaps has been around longer than news corp being able to make you clap like a trained seal by putting ‘woke’ in the headline.

Yeah it has. There's long been a tendency to try to conflate racism into a form of classism and only be critical of those in the more powerful position. Not sure if it's helpful though, as negative attitudes in one direction helps to create create negative attitudes in the other direction.

 

[Chief]

I get that it wouldn't sting anything like racism towards a disadvantaged or traditionally oppressed ethnic group. That's obviously true. But I've never seen anyone come up with a legitimate explanation as to why it's any better, or why it isn't racist.

It's not nothing, but it's not "racism".

 

[sr36]

It's not nothing, but it's not "racism".

It is under lots of definitions of racism, but not under some other definitions. Just depends on your definition.

 

[Chief]

The more I look at it, listen to people who know what they're talking about, the more it looks like people with power just want to nullify the ability of those with less power to call it out.

If they pretend everyone is racist and subject to racism at the same time, then it doesn't really describe anything. Nothing needs to change and people should just shut up about it.

 

[the_interloper]

If you think Sam Kerr isn't racist, I'd say you're woke.

Matildas and Chelsea soccer star Sam Kerr allegedly called a British police officer a "stupid white bastard". She refutes that allegation, claiming instead that she called him a "stupid white cop".

Chelsea manager Emma Hayes says Kerr has the clubs "full support" despite Chelsea having 'No To Hate' and 'No Room for Racism' policies. Obviously star players get a bit more leniency on standard rules across the sporting world so I take that into account.

Sam Kerr possesses Indian heritage in her lineage. For those of you who think Kerr isn't racist, is it even possible to be racist against white people? And yes, I'm aware white isn't a race so please don't use that as a gotcha.

She’s as Teflon as anyone I can think of. Racist or not, it was unbecoming of an Australian team captain surely, I read some articles patting her on the back!

She must think she can get away with anything at this point. She was roundly applauded for cleaning up that pitch invader too, I didn’t think that was necessary at the time, she wasn’t in danger or anything.

The closest situation to that was Andrew Symonds when he cleaned that guy up. Difference was he was running at Symonds and self preservation kicked in.

 

[ShanDog]

The more I look at it, listen to people who know what they're talking about, the more it looks like people with power just want to nullify the ability of those with less power to call it out.

If they pretend everyone is racist and subject to racism at the same time, then it doesn't really describe anything. Nothing needs to change and people should just shut up about it.

That's a bit black and white isn't it (pun intended)? You really think there's any significant percentage of people out there - even the racists - who would genuinely argue that racism towards a white person is just as harmful as the other way around?

I think the rationale you describe is just the expected playbook of the postmodern school of thought that tried (quite successfully) to redefine what racism means as they try to hang on to their reframing of the idea. "We say it's THIS, and any attempt to not make it THIS is further proof you are indeed THAT." Classic unfalsifiable statements and positions.

 

[Chief]

You really think there's any significant percentage of people out there - even the racists - who would genuinely argue that racism towards a white person is just as harmful as the other way around?

Look in this thread. "How is that not racism?" type of posts. Look around Twitter.

Whether they explicitly say it's just as harmful or not, the harm is minimised or dismissed by plenty of people. Millions of people watch shows where hosts and guests pretend that racism doesn't exist because laws exist to stop it and everyone is equal now. People on this board say it.

 

[Gough]

Racism against whites is the trojan horse to roll back as much of the the progress made by minority groups over the last fifty years as possible.

Extremist ex-adviser drives ‘anti-white racism’ plan for Trump win – report

Former White House adviser and white nationalist Stephen Miller plans to reinterpret civil rights laws should Trump return to power

www.theguardian.com

 

[ShanDog]

Look in this thread. "How is that not racism?" type of posts. Look around Twitter.

Whether they explicitly say it's just as harmful or not, the harm is minimised or dismissed by plenty of people. Millions of people watch shows where hosts and guests pretend that racism doesn't exist because laws exist to stop it and everyone is equal now. People on this board say it.

So regardless of whether it's correct, just because you believe it minimises the focus on racism against marginalised people, we should be selective in our principles and ethics to achieve the desired effect? Very Machiavellian.

 

[sr36]

Racism against whites is the trojan horse to roll back as much of the the progress made by minority groups over the last fifty years as possible.

Extremist ex-adviser drives ‘anti-white racism’ plan for Trump win – report

Former White House adviser and white nationalist Stephen Miller plans to reinterpret civil rights laws should Trump return to power

www.theguardian.com

It is used as a trojan horse; however, it is also legitimitely used sometimes. If you want to move past racism, you've got to combat the attitudes and not just the power imbalances - and attitudes in one community can and do grow attitudes in another.

 

[ShanDog]

Racism against whites is the trojan horse to roll back as much of the the progress made by minority groups over the last fifty years as possible.

Extremist ex-adviser drives ‘anti-white racism’ plan for Trump win – report

Former White House adviser and white nationalist Stephen Miller plans to reinterpret civil rights laws should Trump return to power

www.theguardian.com

None of the examples quoted in that article are extreme insofar as many people also think special privileges shouldn't be handed out to racial or other special interest groups. That doesn't give with your claim of rolling back progress unless that's your idea of progress. This may shock you - some people disagree.

 

[Chief]

redefine what racism means

This is my point - it's origins are in colonialism and slavery.

It places the "white" European at the centre of the world, with "white" changing over time to include Italians and others.

The redefinition happened later. "Reverse racism" became a thing (anyone remember that controversial episode of Diff'rent Strokes?) and now it's just racism, apparently, for Lidia Thrope to tell off Aboriginal men for joining in with white men surrounding and harassing women in the middle of the night outside a bar.

Having watched the change over decades, yes, the definition is a lot broader now than it ever was.

 

[sr36]

This is my point - it's origins are in colonialism and slavery.

It places the "white" European at the centre of the world, with "white" changing over time to include Italians and others.

The redefinition happened later. "Reverse racism" became a thing (anyone remember that controversial episode of Diff'rent Strokes?) and now it's just racism, apparently, for Lidia Thrope to tell off Aboriginal men for joining in with white men surrounding and harassing women in the middle of the night outside a bar.

Having watched the change over decades, yes, the definition is a lot broader now than it ever was.

Disagree strongly. It's origins are in tribalism, particularly in the current situation where it's cultural markers as much as genetic markers that result in discrimination. If you confine its origins to colonialism and the theories of genetic superiority that prevailed, you're only picking up the nutjob form of racism and dismissing the vast majority of what we currently view as racism.