Society/Culture Working from home vs forced back to the office

[Punt Road Feral]

Nice post but i have a question.

WFH as you say allows a parent to save money on childcare costs, which are absolutely crazy high, glad we're past that.

How can someone who is working from home and taking care of their pre-school age kids possible be able to work full time? It's impossible, and grossly unfair to the little kids. Where is their daily social interaction if they're stuck in front of a tv all day or on tech while their parents are busy with work?

The reality is that parents who WFH and take care of their kids don't really do much work.

In some of the instances of my inner circle.
They lean on family members such as grandparents to give them a chop out with looking after the kids.
If the grandparents are retired and healthy they love having one on one time with kids and it gives them something to look forward to during the week.
Could also be a sibling who’s a FT parent that looks after a niece or nephew a day a week.

Just for reference my quoted post was more in relation to parents with kinder or school age children however I understand I didn’t state that in the initial post.

 

[Fire]

I’d gladly take the WFH but no promotions or transfers…having recently been denied a secondment where (my assesment) I could have contributed better to the organisations output.
I don’t get how this org thinks it’s a threat
Or is it code for ‘you’ll be the first retrenched?’

Computer Company Sets New Standard By Saying Fully Remote Workers Are No Longer Eligible For Promotions

Unsurprisingly, it’s disproportionately affecting employees who are already one step behind.

www.yourtango.com

yeah I remember seeing this article, or one similar to it a few weeks back.

As someone who works from home full time, I would also accept this. And switch jobs when I felt I was ready for a promotion or a better opportunity. I get what I want, and the employer creates a retention issue for themselves. This is a policy aimed at harming them, not me.

Also, for those commenting about WFH being easier with daycare; its not about having the kids at home. Its about being able to pick them up and drop them off on time, which would be impossible if I had a commute. Its about being close by if one of them gets sick or the center needs to close. Its about having the option to talk to my employer if for any reasont hey need to be home, and working around the issue by splitting time. As someone with a family that doesn't have grandparents nearby to help out, going into the office just isn't an option for me anymore. I am not interested in anything that requires me to go somewhere.

 

[Saab NLAW]

I mean yes I'm a smart arse, this isn't new, but the snarky replies started with you my friend.

So you admit you're a troll, excellent, now we can all move on

 

[Saab NLAW]

In some of the instances of my inner circle.
They lean on family members such as grandparents to give them a chop out with looking after the kids.
If the grandparents are retired and healthy they love having one on one time with kids and it gives them something to look forward to during the week.
Could also be a sibling who’s a FT parent that looks after a niece or nephew a day a week.

Just for reference my quoted post was more in relation to parents with kinder or school age children however I understand I didn’t state that in the initial post.

Yes, absolutely correct, very lucky families are able to do that

 

[Saab NLAW]

I love the idea that people in the NFP sector are taking it easy.

Laughable.

I've done my time in that sector and it is 100% accurate

 

[Saab NLAW]

The question I've got for you in those situations is, was the required work completed to the desired - and explicitly stated - standards?

No, absolutely not, my industry is ASIC governed, we have extremely important rules in place with how we conduct our business.

After we discovered what she was doing (this was just a small example of her poor decisions) we had to do a full investigation and found some very serious breaches of privacy, among other things. My experience is if people like that are prepared to be dishonest with their employer and try to cover up and hide their behavior then that person is very high risk. You are not doing your customers, yourself, your business or that type of person any favours by allowing them to break the law.

Everyone replying to me in this thread in a negative manner would be the first to complain about these types of employees if you were using our service and discovered that this idiot was responsible for a breach of your privacy. I make no apologies for protecting my customers and my business and if anyone has an issue with it it just tells me that they have nfi what is required to run a business in a high risk industry

 

[swingdog]

I've done my time in that sector and it is 100% accurate

Maybe in your organisations, not front line facing.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Maybe in your organisations, not front line facing.

True, I admit that I made a poor generalization of all NFP, generally those that are connected to the Government in my experience are poor. The workers know all their rights and all the ways to work the system to be very lazy and do minimal work.

But, you're correct, there are many NFP who work bloody hard, so my apologies for those comments

 

[swingdog]

True, I admit that I made a poor generalization of all NFP, generally those that are connected to the Government in my experience are poor. The workers know all their rights and all the ways to work the system to be very lazy and do minimal work.

But, you're correct, there are many NFP who work bloody hard, so my apologies for those comments

Fair.

It's like saying all private companies are lean, tight operations when in reality we know that the bigger you get the slacker they become. SMEs generally working their arses off, corporate Australia is not that different to government (drawing on experience in both). Different pressures, but generally share a lot of the same lazy thinking and approaches that are an outcome of size.

 

[faible]

So you admit you're a troll, excellent, now we can all move on

There’s a difference between trolling and a smart ass. Seems to me you’ve taken issue with quite a few people commenting that perhaps you’re simply not as correct as you’d like to think.

 

[Saab NLAW]

There’s a difference between trolling and a smart ass. Seems to me you’ve taken issue with quite a few people commenting that perhaps you’re simply not as correct as you’d like to think.

You're a troll and I can't be bothered with you anymore, you're boring, welcome to ignore

 

[faible]

You're a troll and I can't be bothered with you anymore, you're boring, welcome to ignore

lol. Calling someone a troll and putting them on ignore because you said parents with kids trying to balance work and childcare demands should be reported for child abuse.

Amazing.

 

[peetoo]

NSW govt just ordered PS employees back to work 5 days e a week.

I’m Victoria, but before covid they were finding ways to encourage staff to EFH more.

I’m guessing it’s pressure by the hospitality industry who can influence politicians but not corporates generally.

So if you aren’t a happy NSW camper show your displeasure by not buying from coffee shops etc, they instigated this


I’m resisting the hypocrisy of politicians on this.how many weeks are they physically present at their workplace? 30 per year?

 

[peetoo]

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/victoria-vows-to-be-a-work-from-home-haven/news-story/77a296766c24a4dc857b14c7868be623

We have a surplus of office space in older buildings….and a housing crisis…..or is that an opportunity?

 

[spinynorman]

NSW govt just ordered PS employees back to work 5 days e a week.

I’m Victoria, but before covid they were finding ways to encourage staff to EFH more.

I’m guessing it’s pressure by the hospitality industry who can influence politicians but not corporates generally.

So if you aren’t a happy NSW camper show your displeasure by not buying from coffee shops etc, they instigated this


I’m resisting the hypocrisy of politicians on this.how many weeks are they physically present at their workplace? 30 per year?

Enriching CBD coffee shops but it’ll damage suburban ones. The accidental opportunity to change the way cities are structured goes squandered.

That said, several government departments have moved offices in the last four years and taken smaller office space. I don’t think they logistically can afford to have everyone return to their offices five days a week.

Incredibly dumb move by a dumb premier.

 

[the_interloper]

Enriching CBD coffee shops but it’ll damage suburban ones. The accidental opportunity to change the way cities are structured goes squandered.

That said, several government departments have moved offices in the last four years and taken smaller office space. I don’t think they logistically can afford to have everyone return to their offices five days a week.

Incredibly dumb move by a dumb premier.

It's very dumb, they will lose staff just because of this, everyone wants to WFH a few days now and most companies will offer it

 

[burge13]

It's very dumb, they will lose staff just because of this, everyone wants to WFH a few days now and most companies will offer it

That's what they want I think

Severe bloat in NSW government but water tight EBA's mean no one gets made redundant. Make it undesirable so people leave, they've solved the problem they created with poor management...

They'll soon offer packages and the last step will be reclassifying positions up a level and making incumbents apply for the 'new' jobs keeping only 80ish % of the remaining jobs. Bloat sorted... until they make the same mistakes again

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Enriching CBD coffee shops but it’ll damage suburban ones. The accidental opportunity to change the way cities are structured goes squandered.

That said, several government departments have moved offices in the last four years and taken smaller office space. I don’t think they logistically can afford to have everyone return to their offices five days a week.

Incredibly dumb move by a dumb premier.

It has little to do with coffee shops and everything to do with the multibillion-dollar metro that NSW just finished building, that needs people using it to pay off, re vitalising CBD's economies is part of it also.

Also, Minns hasn't said everyone needs to get back in the office 5 days a week. He has said full time public servants need to spend a minimum 3 days in the office, with each department to manage it accordingly.

He is offering flexibility, which is pretty much in line with most other companies.

Way too many think "flexible" means WFH full time. That isn't flexible. Flexible doing something that work's for both parties.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It's very dumb, they will lose staff just because of this, everyone wants to WFH a few days now and most companies will offer it

Thats exactly what Minns has said...........

Largest workforce in country told to return to office in memo from NSW premier's department

NSW state government workers have been told working from home will be less common after a new directive from the premier's department nudged people back into the office.

www.abc.net.au

Minimum 3 days a week is what is specified currently in reports. Which is actually quite fair and pretty well in line with other major companies including banks.

I know its Big Footy, but at least chuck it in google before having a rant about others being dumb.....

 

[HirdsTheWord]

NSW govt just ordered PS employees back to work 5 days e a week.

I’m Victoria, but before covid they were finding ways to encourage staff to EFH more.

I’m guessing it’s pressure by the hospitality industry who can influence politicians but not corporates generally.

So if you aren’t a happy NSW camper show your displeasure by not buying from coffee shops etc, they instigated this


I’m resisting the hypocrisy of politicians on this.how many weeks are they physically present at their workplace? 30 per year?

NSW Gov is saying 3 days a week minimum in the office. Not 5.

Largest workforce in country told to return to office in memo from NSW premier's department

NSW state government workers have been told working from home will be less common after a new directive from the premier's department nudged people back into the office.

www.abc.net.au

MSN

 

[the_interloper]

Thats exactly what Minns has said...........

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/victoria-vows-to-be-a-work-from-home-haven/news-story/77a296766c24a4dc857b14c7868be623

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Minimum 3 days a week is what is specified currently in reports. Which is actually quite fair and pretty well in line with other major companies including banks.

I know its Big Footy, but at least chuck it in google before having a rant about others being dumb.....

What do you mean? I didn't know what Minns had said but does that give my comment some validity? What did you want me to google?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

What do you mean? I didn't know what Minns had said but does that give my comment some validity? What did you want me to google?

Minns is offering the exact flexibility you said people want? Then you go on to say what he's doing is dumb? Bizarre what validity you think that has?

Read

Largest workforce in country told to return to office in memo from NSW premier's department

NSW state government workers have been told working from home will be less common after a new directive from the premier's department nudged people back into the office.

www.abc.net.au

Flexible means meeting halfway. Give and take so each party finds common ground.

Flexible doesn't mean, I'll do what I want and what suits me, and my employer can gagf. Thats called rigidity.

3 days a week in the office is very flexible. And the misreporting of what Minns is actually offering is what is dumb.

 

[the_interloper]

Minns is offering the exact flexibility you said people want? Then you go on to say what he's doing is dumb? Bizarre what validity you think that has?

Read

Largest workforce in country told to return to office in memo from NSW premier's department

NSW state government workers have been told working from home will be less common after a new directive from the premier's department nudged people back into the office.

www.abc.net.au

Flexible means meeting halfway. Give and take.

Flexible doesn't mean, I'll do what I want and what suits me, and my employer can gagf. Thats called rigidity.

3 days a week in the office is very flexible. And the misreporting of what Minns is actually offering is what is dumb.

Ah well there you go. Well I'm not going to get on google before I post in the future every time FYI, I'll respond how I see fit, sometimes I'll be wrong. OMG I'm Joe Rogan!

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Ah well there you go. Well I'm not going to get on google before I post in the future every time FYI, I'll respond how I see fit, sometimes I'll be wrong. OMG I'm Joe Rogan!

At least you admitted it. Kudos.

But, well, I mean your choice, but you open yourself up when you call others dumb is all.

 

[the_interloper]

At least you admitted it. Kudos.

But, well, I mean your choice, but you open yourself up when you call others dumb is all.

Calling something "dumb" is quite pragmatic for me as you may have noticed!