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Society/Culture Working from home vs forced back to the office
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Obviously that's not what they were talking about.
Good question, I guess if you live there you get a permit ?
Who knows, I guess it's something you'd have to iron out
Flexible work is causing office property prices to fall — and potentially your retirement savings, as well
The shift to working remotely has led to a significant drop in office property prices, which could affect our retirement savings given superannuation funds invest more than $425 billion in unlisted assets.
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Oh no
I wasn't really, but it is interesting to consider
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It’s about planning infrastructure for best fit. Do you run PT for 24h to all destinations.
I am
I am
what super options avoid these unlisted assets?
Flexible work is causing office property prices to fall — and potentially your retirement savings, as well
The shift to working remotely has led to a significant drop in office property prices, which could affect our retirement savings given superannuation funds invest more than $425 billion in unlisted assets.
Oh no
I'm not sure we will ever be in a position to know.
No politician is ever going to commit the review and then implement changes, because the other side will simply find someone adversely impacted and that becomes the story.
Edit - with your super you'll need to ask them, most would have unlisted Aussie assets in the majority of funds
One thing I observed as someone managing a group of people, that the speed to competency for new starters is significantly longer. Learning seems to work better when surrounded by team mates than a solely structured training environment
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I don’t like wfh for a number of reasons, but my family has basically grown to rely on it through the covid period i.e., managing kid drop off, errands, etc.
Also I’m not sure it’s the hot culture wars item that a lot of people seem to think it is.
Also I’m not sure it’s the hot culture wars item that a lot of people seem to think it is.
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100% when you're new being surrounded by questions helps onboard. Once autonomous, wfh as requested
It really is just dinosaurs against wfh. If a job can be done from home AND the work does get done, i dont get how anyone is against this. Truly bizarre people defend decisions to force back into the office
That said, if someone wants to run their business that way, its up to them. Up to you to look elsewhere if you dont like it
It feels like nearly all (office etc) workers have decided they want the option to work from home at least a day or two a week, or at least have the ability to since COVID. So really employers don't have a lot of choice I reckon, if you say you can't allow it these days you'll struggle to get staff I reckon.
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I reckon I've learned approximately 10% from formal training and qualifications, maybe 50% from trial and error and 40% from peers. I believe there is no substitute for the latter two. Sometimes it's called osmosis - the natural flow of knowledge from a more experienced to a less experienced person. It's much, much harder to do virtually, maybe because the spontaneity is lost.
Regarding the concerns about superannuation being tied to commercial property, I say boo hoo. A good super fund will be diversified already, and will shift money to wherever the return is.
There is no such thing as investment without risk, even if it seemed low-risk at the time. You are not entitled to make a risk-free investment.
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Even when unemployment inevitably goes up to (say) 6% at some point, a lot of employees will still have the bargaining power to demand some working from home. As you say, because pretty much all office workers tried remote work and are demanding it at once, hybrid has become the standard and mandating full time in the office is becoming unusual.
People also seem to think when the unemployment rate goes up its going to be the ones that want to work from home that will be the ones losing their jobs.
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A big part of working from home is the fact that there are jobs based on attendance and rostering and those that aren't, where the work simply has to get done whenever and wherever that is. Remote work is a very white-collar thing and I think it's a privilege.
Which is why our ultra conservative brethren have the hates up.
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There's a bit of a car crash effect with social media comments. Some of them are extremely uneducated, yet I can't stop reading them.
There's a bit of a car crash effect with social media comments. Some of them are extremely uneducated, yet I can't stop reading them.
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Doubling down on the above:
Looks like these people are pissed that CBD offices aren't being used and are sitting empty, due to businesses realising they no longer require them. Then there's the flow on effect of people not spending money in the CBD, due to working from home. Instead of changing their business model, it's the WFH people's faults.
I find the 'threat' about jobs being moved overseas laughable. If this were possible, they'd have done it years ago, as they already have done this with the jobs they did move.
A lot of them have returned, because those overseas 'experts' are anything but, and simply cheat on certification exams and have NFI how to do the work they're commissioned to, especially in IT.
Then there's the mention that this will lead to greater unemployment and sackings from large corporations who 'don't see the value' in paying people to WFH.
This will be the same business leaders in a few years, if their prediction comes true:
Looks like these people are pissed that CBD offices aren't being used and are sitting empty, due to businesses realising they no longer require them. Then there's the flow on effect of people not spending money in the CBD, due to working from home. Instead of changing their business model, it's the WFH people's faults.
I find the 'threat' about jobs being moved overseas laughable. If this were possible, they'd have done it years ago, as they already have done this with the jobs they did move.
A lot of them have returned, because those overseas 'experts' are anything but, and simply cheat on certification exams and have NFI how to do the work they're commissioned to, especially in IT.
Then there's the mention that this will lead to greater unemployment and sackings from large corporations who 'don't see the value' in paying people to WFH.
This will be the same business leaders in a few years, if their prediction comes true:
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Frankly, it would be poetic justice if these big commercial landlords, who have been **** ing small businesses for years, suffer some financial pain.
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All that money not being spent in the CBD has been going to suburban cafes and restaurants instead anyway.
surely they wouldn't accept a handout
How else can they lecture other people about their lifestyle choices
