Worsfold - very impressive and forthright

[JeffDunne]

I really can't believe the arse licking going on in this thread.

Worsfold spun a good yarn but the message he was selling was "it's not my fault - this has been going on for years".


He has two of his senior players failing to attend training, one of those players is now in rehab and the other one is coming to blows with his team-mate. Another player recently went tropo on the bonnet of a cab and another player was traded because he couldn't control him. But it's not Woosha's fault.

Fair dinkum,


And strangely, they all seem to be "outstanding young men".

Give me a break!

 

[Keys]

And strangely, they all seem to be "outstanding young men".

Give me a break!

Didn't Rod Butters say Grant Thomas was on outstanding servant of the St Kilda FC or something to that effect just after he sacked him as coach.

Woosh is not going to go on a national show and say that the players are ********s - I suspect that what he tells the offending players privately may be a little different to what is said publicly.

 

[Father Jack]

I think that people forget that the AFLPA exists, ie if a club suspends a player over missing the odd training session (first offence) it will be a 'punishment not fitting the crime' type of thing. And Woosha said he had SUSPICIONS ie NOT hard evidence well before july last year, but it was not until then that Cousins was breaching his contract in any way, in this case by missing training sessions.

Worsfold, I thought, I did very well by the club, its players and supporters and even the wider football community on TFS, and those that cannot see it will likely never see anything positive ever about the WCE, so no great harm done.

Edit: JD proved my point even as I wrote this.

 

[JeffDunne]

Didn't Rod Butters say Grant Thomas was on outstanding servant of the St Kilda FC or something to that effect just after he sacked him as coach.

RB said a lot of crap when GT was sacked.

Point?

Woosh is not going to go on a national show and say that the players are ********s - I suspect that what he tells the offending players privately may be a little different to what is said publicly.

And here was me thinking he was getting praise for being honest.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Cousins was "rested" from the round 16 match against Collingwood in July last year. Funnily enough around the same time Worsfold said he first had an issue with Cousins preparation - maybe they were taking disciplinary action but just didn't make it public knowledge.

or the fact that he had been targeted by oposition players since the dean soloman game and was below his best...

 

[Us3]

Didn't Rod Butters say Grant Thomas was on outstanding servant of the St Kilda FC or something to that effect just after he sacked him as coach.

Woosh is not going to go on a national show and say that the players are ********s - I suspect that what he tells the offending players privately may be a little different to what is said publicly.

no one expects woosha to come out and slag off his very naughty boys.

it's a bit rich though when there are others in this thread are praising woosha for his honesty and forthrightness.

let's face it we all know he only described the tip of the iceberg and he may very well be secretly tearing them all a new a-hole, and that he has to put the correct 'spin' on things.

 

[diesel and dust]

i'm unsure how anyone could not be impressed with Worsfold's performance tonight.......i was shocked that he actually agreed to be on the show to begin with


he was forthright.... and came across very well




i can see how he managed to lift a club with a bit of internal strife up to a premiership...


if i was a west coast supporter, i would be have smiled tonight for the first time this week,seeing the character of the bloke in charge of my team

 

[Kobi]

your last two sentences are inconsistent with the 1st. I don't personally believe that Woosha would have abandoned a player for the flag.

What I should have said is we won the flag last year he made the right call...sometimes you need to pick the timing of a major decision....the time was right now....

would I want cuz to be dropped last year and give back the cup no bloody way

 

[JeffDunne]

I think that people forget that the AFLPA exists, ie if a club suspends a player over missing the odd training session (first offence) it will be a 'punishment not fitting the crime' type of thing. And Woosha said he had SUSPICIONS ie NOT hard evidence well before july last year, but it was not until then that Cousins was breaching his contract in any way, in this case by missing training sessions.

He had suspicions of players using drugs, had the evidence of players acting like lunatics in public and missing training sessions. But he still refused to suspend them? Interesting.

Until recently, West Coast fobbed off behaviour with nothing more than token measures. If he had suspicions then just the behaviour & training issues could have been enough excuse to suspend players under the players code-of-conduct.

He chose not to and now we should leave them alone and feel sorry for him?

Like hell we should.

 

[Keys]

no one expects woosha to come out and slag off his very naughty boys.

it's a bit rich though when there are others in this thread are praising woosha for his honesty and forthrightness.

let's face it we all know he only described the tip of the iceberg and he may very well be secretly tearing them all a new a-hole, and that he has to put the correct 'spin' on things.

I thought that under the circumstances he was honest and forthright, certainly more so than most interviews on TFS and more than the Eagles had been prior.

As to what we "all know" that is a matter of conjecture.

 

[Kobi]

i'm unsure how anyone could not be impressed with Worsfold's performance tonight.......i was shocked that he actually agreed to be on the show to begin with


he was forthright.... and came across very well




i can see how he managed to lift a club with a bit of internal strife up to a premiership...


if i was a west coast supporter, i would be have smiled tonight for the first time this week,seeing the character of the bloke in charge of my team

as a die hard fan his interview moved me to tears and smiles all in the one interview...the passion he showed for his club and his mate is something that makes australia what it is...we stick by our mates no matter what.....if I was picking a bloke to stand next to me in war it would be him....and i have never met him....

 

[Grimreepah]

I have always had a lot of respect for Worsfold, but especially after today. I thought he handled himself with aplomb in such difficult circumstances.

 

[JeffDunne]

This thread is starting to read like a 6pr transcript.

 

[Us3]

I thought that under the circumstances he was honest and forthright, certainly more so than most interviews on TFS and more than the Eagles had been prior.

As to what we "all know" that is a matter of conjecture.

he was as forthright as he was able to.

he wasn't completely honest though, if he thinks these blokes are "champion people" then you have to worry about his judgement. i'm not saying that they're evil, but they aren't altar boys.

 

[Father Jack]

He had suspicions of players using drugs, had the evidence of players acting like lunatics in public and missing training sessions. But he still refused to suspend them? Interesting.

Until recently, West Coast fobbed off behaviour with nothing more than token measures. If he had suspicions then just the behaviour & training issues could have been enough excuse to suspend players under the players code-of-conduct.

He chose not to and now we should leave them alone and feel sorry for him?

Like hell we should.

Proof. Look it up in the dictionary. You can't go around banning players on the back of unsubstantiated rumour. Like I said, the AFLPA would have come down on them like a ton of bricks, and so they should, thats what they are there for.

If you listened to Worsfold instead of making up what you would like things to be, you might have some idea. Why should they drag players through the media on the back of an anonymous phonecall?

 

[bigsam]

What rot, I'll tell you a factual piece of information which firsthand I know to be true, the two people caught in the police phone tap, one of them is no longer with the eagles, and before you jump and shout Gardiner it is not. Like Gardiner this player was traded but on the quiet. It was a fair surprise to a few eagles follers at the time

I love it... firsthand factual info.

Obviously, you were the police investigator listening in!

 

[Keys]

He had suspicions of players using drugs, had the evidence of players acting like lunatics in public and missing training sessions. But he still refused to suspend them? Interesting.

Until recently, West Coast fobbed off behaviour with nothing more than token measures. If he had suspicions then just the behaviour & training issues could have been enough excuse to suspend players under the players code-of-conduct.

He chose not to and now we should leave them alone and feel sorry for him?

Like hell we should.

Don't disagree with this - it could have (should have?) been dealt with earlier and no one should for sorry for us as result.

I think amongst the short grab from Nisbett and the Worsfold interview there was an acknowledgement that they had failed to adequately address the problems with Cousins and that help from outside the club is now required.

Hopefully, the recent implosion can be used by the club as a turning point and we can now proceed to stop further indiscretions and restore lost crediblity.

 

[JeffDunne]

I'd like to know why they didn't ask him how he could be "very, very confident" that Ben would pass Mondays drug test.

I'd also like to know why they didn't ask him how long he avoided being tested on Monday and what contact the club had with the player.

Why they didn't ask the obvious question is beyond me . . . ie . . . did Ben miss training on the Monday because he knew he was going to be tested?

 

[Underdog]

This thread is starting to read like a 6pr transcript.

Except most opposition fans are applauding Woosha - that doesn't sound very 6pr like!

he wasn't completely honest though, if he thinks these blokes are "champion people" then you have to worry about his judgement. i'm not saying that they're evil, but they aren't altar boys.

I know bikies that are terrific blokes, as I do a few people into mild drugs. I disagree with some parts of their life and it may effect their personality at times but essentially - at heart - they are great blokes.

Im sure this is what Woosha was referring to

 

[JeffDunne]

Proof. Look it up in the dictionary. You can't go around banning players on the back of unsubstantiated rumour. Like I said, the AFLPA would have come down on them like a ton of bricks, and so they should, thats what they are there for.

You can suspend players for breaching the terms of their contract. Look up the Code of Conduct.

A club is quite within its right to suspend a player for missing training - let alone going tropo on the bonnet of a cab.

If you listened to Worsfold instead of making up what you would like things to be, you might have some idea. Why should they drag players through the media on the back of an anonymous phonecall?

Irrelevant.

If he suspected and had dozens of other reasons to suspend them - he should of suspended them at least until the symptoms had been addressed. He wasn't even prepared to do that and now we should feel sorry for him?

 

[Keys]

I'd like to know why they didn't ask him how he could be "very, very confident" that Ben would pass Mondays drug test.

I'd also like to know why they didn't ask him how long he avoided being tested on Monday and what contact the club had with the player.

Why they didn't ask the obvious question is beyond me . . . ie . . . did Ben miss training on the Monday because he knew he was going to be tested?

How would Cousins know he was going to be tested - Worsfold said the club didn't know until they turned up on Monday.

Kind of defeats the purpose of random drug testing if they tell you when they're going to come beforehand

 

[peterss]

All i can say is

RESPECT!

 

[dockers_bengals]

He had suspicions of players using drugs, had the evidence of players acting like lunatics in public and missing training sessions. But he still refused to suspend them? Interesting.

Until recently, West Coast fobbed off behaviour with nothing more than token measures. If he had suspicions then just the behaviour & training issues could have been enough excuse to suspend players under the players code-of-conduct.

He chose not to and now we should leave them alone and feel sorry for him?

Like hell we should.

I'm with you,Some mates they would be,let you get to your lowest ebb(while using you)then say I'll stand by you,poor benny etc.etc...Why didn't they use the boosebus time to do something about him?The media was just as bad then.

 

[Underdog]

oh well - cant please everyone!

 

[Kobi]

This thread is starting to read like a 6pr transcript.

lets talk about your two slimey sexual assaults people oooh cant say that can we because they were not convicted...people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones mate....