No it's not. You’re just showing ignorance again.
Freo did not trade the pick. Freo never had the pick.
It was the AFL that gave you the overly generous compensation, effectively screwing us over for the following years draft.
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No it's not. You’re just showing ignorance again.
Freo did not trade the pick. Freo never had the pick.
It was the AFL that gave you the overly generous compensation, effectively screwing us over for the following years draft.
True. Will end up very similar to the GC situation next year. GC get first access to sign any uncontracted players from AFL clubs, and the AFL will then determine compensation in the form of draft picks based on some unknown formula.
I don't know why people always bring this up as bad trading. Freo had to get some experienced players, and they couldn't have got Lloyd (or Wirrpanda or any of the other players taken with compensatory picks). To get uncontracted players, the AFL gave away compensation picks.
The only way Freo could have got Lloyd was by not taking anyone from another club, then coming last in 1995 (which they probably would have done if they hadn't taken any uncontracted players).
There's plenty of funny Freo trading moments without manufacturing them.
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It's quite funny that the Stephen O'Rielly trade was something like the 4th post on this thread, and really it SHOULD have ended there, but people want to keep putting up 'worse' trades.
There will not EVER be a worse trade than that again. NEVER. It nearly sent a club to the wall and out of the competition FFS! Name me another trade that has come even close to doing that?
There will not EVER be a worse trade than that again. NEVER. It nearly sent a club to the wall and out of the competition FFS! Name me another trade that has come even close to doing that?
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im very lazy and cbf looking through all posts to see if this guy got mentioned, if it has i'm sorry.
Lachlan Veale?? was it the rawlings to Bulldogs trade?
Di he ever play a single game?
Lachlan Veale?? was it the rawlings to Bulldogs trade?
Di he ever play a single game?
You are of course correct.
However the Jonathan Hay for two first round picks trade was pretty abject and comes in a clear second. Definitely worth mentioning.
I think Mark Orchard was a part of that deal who was later returned with Licca in another trade.
Ant didn't miss his mummy, she moved to sydney with him.
Why Sydney wasted the 2nd pick on Ant is beyond me. Ant always wanted to play with his big bro Sav and was always going to end up playing for Collingwood.
So far i think the Stephen O'Reilly trade is a hands down winner.
Any time Carltank get nailed is gold to me.
Can anyone remember what St.Kilda got from Sydney for Lockett?
Was it Jack Daniels? lol.
Dunno about that but played basketball against him the other week and his passing is even worse than his kicking was!
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I would definitely give the Hay trade second billing.
What makes that trade even worse for North in hindsight is that they knew they were paying over the margin at the time, even if Hay went on to be a decent player. They justified it by saying that Jesse Smith would have gone first round yet they got him with a F/S pick that year, so they could take a risk. that trade has just gone from bad to worse for the Roos.
It is still trash for gold, you just had some help from the AFL. And it would appear that you followed their form of compensation for some years afterwards: accept crap and give gold.
Don't forget the Tiggers, Jordan McMahon for the draft pick that gave the doggies Callan Ward, Tiggers losing big time so far and its only Wards second season, but then again it was the Tiggers that also took Judus Brown and the dud Bowden brother off the doggies to play with his equally useless dud brother at the Tiggers, oh and don't forget Justin Charles.
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Some people still have no idea...Fremantle did not trade Groom for Mcloed, please get it right....Nor did they ever have or indeed the option of Lloyd. Absolute ignorance.
Fremantle had the option of taking players out of contract, these options expired..Any club raided then got access to the best 16 yo they could get their hands on...Of course clubs were clambering to palm off their hacks...FYI Lloyd was taken this way...As was Wirrapunda and King
What is interesting is the value people put on draft picks and the gamble they ultimately are.
Personally I think the Bell trade is a win-win...However if your going to take it a step further and drill down to how the Roo's used the picks..Freo come out a long way ahead.
Now take the Tarrant deal, in pure pick's terms we overpaid..But how are those guys going at the Pies??
Flip side as part of the Croad deal the Hawk's recieved Hodge and Mitchell so that arguement swings both ways.
Fremantle's trading hasn't really been that bad, its a more a case of overating their list at that stage and failing to make proper use of the player they brought in.
Fremantle had the option of taking players out of contract, these options expired..Any club raided then got access to the best 16 yo they could get their hands on...Of course clubs were clambering to palm off their hacks...FYI Lloyd was taken this way...As was Wirrapunda and King
What is interesting is the value people put on draft picks and the gamble they ultimately are.
Personally I think the Bell trade is a win-win...However if your going to take it a step further and drill down to how the Roo's used the picks..Freo come out a long way ahead.
Now take the Tarrant deal, in pure pick's terms we overpaid..But how are those guys going at the Pies??
Flip side as part of the Croad deal the Hawk's recieved Hodge and Mitchell so that arguement swings both ways.
Fremantle's trading hasn't really been that bad, its a more a case of overating their list at that stage and failing to make proper use of the player they brought in.
I would say that Freo's error was continually trading away very early picks for mature players in a bid to be competitive early. And it just so happens that nearly all these trades involved guns being taken with said picks and the mature players not producing. A lot of bad luck, but also a very poor stategy.
GC will not make that mistake, they will hoard picks and priority picks for a couple of years and then make a super-team. They will have learnt from Freo's errors. And I personally think the AFL should step in with something like a compensation system and force GC to take mature players.
Don't forget the Tiggers, Jordan McMahon for the draft pick that gave the doggies Callan Ward, Tiggers losing big time so far and its only Wards second season, but then again it was the Tiggers that also took Judus Brown and the dud Bowden brother off the doggies to play with his equally useless dud brother at the Tiggers, oh and don't forget Justin Charles.
We won the Brown trade by the length of the flemington straight, and if he hadn't done his leg we would have won by even more.
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That was a pretty good deal for Freo. They got 6 to 7 seasons of great footy from Bell.
We got nothing out of pick 6 and 8. Jess Sinclair tho did give us some decent footy, but nothing near what Bell gave the Dockers.
Don't forget the Tiggers, Jordan McMahon for the draft pick that gave the doggies Callan Ward, Tiggers losing big time so far and its only Wards second season, but then again it was the Tiggers that also took Judus Brown and the dud Bowden brother off the doggies to play with his equally useless dud brother at the Tiggers, oh and don't forget Justin Charles.
Given a few more pre-seasons i think Callan Ward will be one of the top line mids going around. The kid is as tough as nails.
By this time people will be saying "Jordy who, Oh the w***er with the porno stache".
I think the Dogs were the clear winners in the Brown trade.
Besides the 9 or so good games Brown played for the Tigers in 05', he has done bugger all since, using the "i broke my leg" excuse that is wearing thin 4 years later.
Another win for the dogs is Collingwood not listing Liam Picken. Liam had an excellent year with the Dogs and should only get better.
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Exactly. Bell was AA playing for us and won 3 club B&F. If that's not a worthwhile trade then people really are overrating draft picks.
u dont understand, Freo initially delisted Bell. He was picked up by NM and then was traded back to freo.
Any one who traded for Simon Minton-Connell wasted picks and players.
No it doesn't. You guys had Croad originally.
Hodge + Mitchell + Elstone for McPharlin, Dunn, and a couple of years of Croad.
Still not a good deal, but not as bad as you made out.
That sums it up really. The actual trade itself was not bad, it was the fact that they could have had him in his prime for nothing, instead they got him past his prime for a kings ransom. Basically they could have had it all but they thought he was too slow and small.
Can't blame Freo for the likes of Lloyd and McLeod, though it is their fault. They certainly should have horded their picks instead of picking up discards but they didn't so it doesn't matter.
The Croad debacle is similar to Bell. It is not so much what they gave up, it was that they traded for a CHB then tried to turn him into a CHF, gave up and gave him back for a lot less than they paid. It hurts more that the Hawks nailed 2 of their picks and Freo completely missed on theirs. McPharlin, if he could just stay healthy and consistent would actually make that a far better trade.
Sydney when I first started following back in the early 90s had some pretty bad misses. Giving up on the likes of Licuria, drafting Rocca knowing that they would almost certainly lose him, even the Schwass trade could be said to be somewhat one sided given how much longer Grant played for(though I still like that trade to this day).
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Richmond got a player who has played 34 games and averaged 21 possessions per game.
WB got a player who has played 22 games and averaged 16 touches.
I agree that it looks like Ward has a lot more upside to him, and that in time WB will be probably be considered to have won this trade, but it's hardly worthy of a mention when it comes to 'worst ever'.
Don't forget the Tiggers, Jordan McMahon for the draft pick that gave the doggies Callan Ward, Tiggers losing big time so far and its only Wards second season, but then again it was the Tiggers that also took Judus Brown and the dud Bowden brother off the doggies to play with his equally useless dud brother at the Tiggers, oh and don't forget Justin Charles.
Because a 250-game, multiple All Australian, multiple B&F winner, and one of the leading lights at a club in its darkest era is a dud. Riiiiiiiiight.
It's quite funny that the Stephen O'Rielly trade was something like the 4th post on this thread, and really it SHOULD have ended there, but people want to keep putting up 'worse' trades.
There will not EVER be a worse trade than that again. NEVER. It nearly sent a club to the wall and out of the competition FFS! Name me another trade that has come even close to doing that?
Settle down champ, all this happened after a series of very unlikely events. The trade itself wasn't that bad, everything that followed definately gave the end result which was very damaging. But thats like saying "crows traded Kurt Tippett for johnny Knoxville, and whilst at the crows he rooted the CEO's wife who gave birth to a sadist who joined the taliban and dropped a bomb on AAMI stadium", yes that would be a bad eventuality, but a bad trade could not be blamed for it!
There will not EVER be a worse trade than that again. NEVER. It nearly sent a club to the wall and out of the competition FFS! Name me another trade that has come even close to doing that?
Settle down champ, all this happened after a series of very unlikely events. The trade itself wasn't that bad, everything that followed definately gave the end result which was very damaging. But thats like saying "crows traded Kurt Tippett for johnny Knoxville, and whilst at the crows he rooted the CEO's wife who gave birth to a sadist who joined the taliban and dropped a bomb on AAMI stadium", yes that would be a bad eventuality, but a bad trade could not be blamed for it!
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