WRFL Div 2 Discussion 2023

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Weekend work goes in waves and as a majority are tradies, when the market slows down due to all these rate rises, the weekend work dries up also.

It’s nothing new, and are all these mass exits all due to work?

I don’t want to see anyone struggle, but work isn’t the big issue.

Covid definitely saw a lot of guys not bother coming back, more sporting options out there and different cultures moving into the western suburbs aren’t seeing football as the natural first option.
Local footy needs something, because the standard in a lot of areas is dropping significantly, but I can’t just say work is the answer.
 
If your worried about promotion. Don't recruit 35 year olds to win a div 2 or 3 flag. Get some youth in and back them in. Just a thought......

Seems some clubs quickly forget that
 
Recruiting an older player can be beneficial for a young list to fast track them towards development and success.

But you are right, investing in youth is the way. Just not as easy as it sounds
 

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Squeeky Clean said:
Because the league panders to the clubs looking to accommodate the blokes who aren't committed, but put their hands out for cash like entitled brats.

Then they go broke, don't pay fees, don't accomplish anything, hide behind millions of bullshit excuses.

The league spends its time governing these rabbles, instead of ensuring it'd premier product is relevant.

If the sides in division 3 all went up to division 2 together, guess what, they would still compete against each other, just the divvy 3 hero's that sell themselves around to the highest bidder Todd Lawrie style, would actually have to earn their kicks and clubs might get smart about the people they bring in. Culture is king.

So whilst the league is trying to bail these clubs out of their own filth, they have lost 3 premier, division 1 clubs to rival leagues, had Manor Lakes and Glen Orden fold.

The comp shouldn't be broadcasting radio games outside of div 1, that should be a privilege of clubs that have rolled up the sleeves and actually having a crack.

If that upsets a few, maybe people should start thinking why is this league on its deathbed? What are we contributing to bring it back up? Or are we just here pleasing ourselves paying our cancerous leeches to produce ordinary cultures, ordinary standards and an ordinary result.

So yes, * the div 3 off, the tail shouldn't wag the bloody dog!
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So you want many clubs to fold??

Many leagues currently have clubs folding, there is a massive issue but you beleive we are in the 90's still

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Squeeky Clean said:
Because the league panders to the clubs looking to accommodate the blokes who aren't committed, but put their hands out for cash like entitled brats.

Then they go broke, don't pay fees, don't accomplish anything, hide behind millions of bullshit excuses.

The league spends its time governing these rabbles, instead of ensuring it'd premier product is relevant.

If the sides in division 3 all went up to division 2 together, guess what, they would still compete against each other, just the divvy 3 hero's that sell themselves around to the highest bidder Todd Lawrie style, would actually have to earn their kicks and clubs might get smart about the people they bring in. Culture is king.

So whilst the league is trying to bail these clubs out of their own filth, they have lost 3 premier, division 1 clubs to rival leagues, had Manor Lakes and Glen Orden fold.

The comp shouldn't be broadcasting radio games outside of div 1, that should be a privilege of clubs that have rolled up the sleeves and actually having a crack.

If that upsets a few, maybe people should start thinking why is this league on its deathbed? What are we contributing to bring it back up? Or are we just here pleasing ourselves paying our cancerous leeches to produce ordinary cultures, ordinary standards and an ordinary result.

So yes, * the div 3 off, the tail shouldn't wag the bloody dog!
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What clubs have the WRFL bailed out??

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Squeeky Clean said:
Because the league panders to the clubs looking to accommodate the blokes who aren't committed, but put their hands out for cash like entitled brats.

Then they go broke, don't pay fees, don't accomplish anything, hide behind millions of bullshit excuses.

The league spends its time governing these rabbles, instead of ensuring it'd premier product is relevant.

If the sides in division 3 all went up to division 2 together, guess what, they would still compete against each other, just the divvy 3 hero's that sell themselves around to the highest bidder Todd Lawrie style, would actually have to earn their kicks and clubs might get smart about the people they bring in. Culture is king.

So whilst the league is trying to bail these clubs out of their own filth, they have lost 3 premier, division 1 clubs to rival leagues, had Manor Lakes and Glen Orden fold.

The comp shouldn't be broadcasting radio games outside of div 1, that should be a privilege of clubs that have rolled up the sleeves and actually having a crack.

If that upsets a few, maybe people should start thinking why is this league on its deathbed? What are we contributing to bring it back up? Or are we just here pleasing ourselves paying our cancerous leeches to produce ordinary cultures, ordinary standards and an ordinary result.

So yes, * the div 3 off, the tail shouldn't wag the bloody dog!
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Again what investment do you have in the WRFL to have such strong opinions?

I have been involved in all divisions and have a strong understanding of issues accross the league. The Clubs have to support themselves in the main.

Some Clubs need time in lower divisions to re build, and do and come back stronger. Do you want to remove that opportunity?

If stopping promotion and relegation provides a chance for Clubs to re build allow it. If Clubs want to go up let them. It is about the future not just today

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Squeeky Clean said:
If your worried about promotion. Don't recruit 35 year olds to win a div 2 or 3 flag. Get some youth in and back them in. Just a thought......

Seems some clubs quickly forget that
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What Clubs have done this????
Braybrook didn't
Point Cook Centrals didn't

What is your agenda as you are clearly talking crap as none of this had happened

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Can never understand those who pot local clubs.

It is hard, and there is always fewer than needed to work really hard to keep clubs is all divisions firstly surviving then thriving.

There is little actual support from the leagues and more importantly those who control the leagues AFL Victoria.

To survive in Div 3 you need to raise $250k to thrive $350k plus. Div 2 add $100k and Div 1 add another $100k.

The percentage of players in the WRFL chasing the coin would barely be 20%.

We live in a world where Football is no longer something every kids wants to play. We need more people who understand what is now required for Men's and Women's football to thrive again, not jokers taking pot shots from the side.

Most clubs in the WRFL are either well run or have genuine people having a crack against the odds to run clubs.

Div2 this year will be even, it will be a great comp with 6 of the 7 clubs all having claims and do not underestimate the Brookers they are a well run club.

There are no clear favourites in any division so let's just enjoy the positives of what unfolds

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Squeeky Clean said:
North footscray, parkside and where are all Braybrooks div 3 hero's going?
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Seriously dude you have an problem.

What old players did Parkside recruit??? They actually recruited to have a crack at Div 1. North Footscray recruited players to build on to have a crack at div 2. So name all these mercenaries and then look at their overall recruitment. For Parkside you could not be more wrong.

Braybrook have re signed 70% of their premiership team on 2 year contracts. They also have added to their list. They will struggle this season but are likely to survive now and will build
They are a well run club with good people involved.

Why are you calling the players who won the Div 3 flag hero's? You done better yourself? Those who have left have done so to either play in a higher division or play in a lower division that their stage of career allows.

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lachy said:
Seriously dude you have an problem.

What old players did Parkside recruit??? They actually recruited to have a crack at Div 1. North Footscray recruited players to build on to have a crack at div 2. So name all these mercenaries and then look at their overall recruitment. For Parkside you could not be more wrong.

Braybrook have re signed 70% of their premiership team on 2 year contracts. They also have added to their list. They will struggle this season but are likely to survive now and will build
They are a well run club with good people involved.

Why are you calling the players who won the Div 3 flag hero's? You done better yourself? Those who have left have done so to either play in a higher division or play in a lower division that their stage of career allows.

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Lachy this is not true… Braybrook would be lucky to have 7 premiership players left.

They did publish announcements early but check the clearances - quite a few gone (including some announced - Buttigieg-Clarke, Papakapadoulas, Howell, Etc). There are also quite a few that didn’t sign that have left and some who are yet to lodge clearances. Then you have the ressies players who have departed.

I disagree with your comment about well run club.

Players are leaving because of the club not because of going up to Div 2.. ask them, they have left the club reeling.

Just one example of poor decision making: they had a VFL coach who resigned (they then told people he was sacked even though the club published a resignation post on FB 4 weeks earlier). This really pissed people off. Then they appointed a coach whose previous experience was coaching Keillor park in 3rd division, the side he coached (for 1 year) was winless and belted by 300pts every week… hardly motivating for players especially those going up a division.

Another example.. they had a reserves coach, same guy who had been there for 4 years - premiership senior assistant as well. He was keen to stay on but they stuffed him around so he left. They now do not have a reserves coach at all, weeks out from round 1.

The club has one coach, no assistants to cover all seniors and reserves. Crazy.

I was really hoping the club could do well but I’m so disappointed with what the administration have done. With the thirds gone, numbers average and Parkside round 1 I really fear that the club could be the next glenorden or manor lakes.

As we have seen over the years, once teams start getting flogged the new boys take off and in Braybrooks case they then won’t have enough players for two sides.

The writing is on the wall.
 
1stEmergency said:
Lachy this is not true… Braybrook would be lucky to have 7 premiership players left.

They did publish announcements early but check the clearances - quite a few gone (including some announced - Buttigieg-Clarke, Papakapadoulas, Howell, Etc). There are also quite a few that didn’t sign that have left and some who are yet to lodge clearances. Then you have the ressies players who have departed.

I disagree with your comment about well run club.

Players are leaving because of the club not because of going up to Div 2.. ask them, they have left the club reeling.

Just one example of poor decision making: they had a VFL coach who resigned (they then told people he was sacked even though the club published a resignation post on FB 4 weeks earlier). This really pissed people off. Then they appointed a coach whose previous experience was coaching Keillor park in 3rd division, the side he coached (for 1 year) was winless and belted by 300pts every week… hardly motivating for players especially those going up a division.

Another example.. they had a reserves coach, same guy who had been there for 4 years - premiership senior assistant as well. He was keen to stay on but they stuffed him around so he left. They now do not have a reserves coach at all, weeks out from round 1.

The club has one coach, no assistants to cover all seniors and reserves. Crazy.

I was really hoping the club could do well but I’m so disappointed with what the administration have done. With the thirds gone, numbers average and Parkside round 1 I really fear that the club could be the next glenorden or manor lakes.

As we have seen over the years, once teams start getting flogged the new boys take off and in Braybrooks case they then won’t have enough players for two sides.

The writing is on the wall.
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I am not here to defend the Brookers and what you have laid out does have truth but some context should be put around it.

The previous coach did not resign, you cannot resign from a contract you do not have. It is true was not offered a contract or asked to discuss one so he announced he would be moving on.

He was releaved of his role for finals as he was, in my view falsely, suspended by the WRFL for a non existent umpire issue.

Now we can all have opinions about the clubs actions, mine is they were wrong on both counts, however those in charge made those decisions with the best intentions. That does not mean it is badly run, just that from the outside the decisions do not appear wise.

As for the playing list, I was only going on transfers lodged, if you say there are many more to go through from the premiership team, the cannot be an argument.

However, as a club they did try and do the right thing signing as many of the team on 2 year contracts as possible. That the players changed later is really not something you can control. If you believe otherwise you have either not had that responsibility or been at a club with a strong junior program that as a group will stick fat.

I am also sure they tried to sign the 6 to 8 quality players as a minimum to just be competitive I'm Div 2.

They are an example of why I am strongly against automatic promotion and relegation, it should be an option. I am also against getting rid.of division 3 as reality is this will do nothing more than kill clubs that will not be replaced.

Braybrook had an ok Div 3 list that played.well when it counted. Their list was miles short of a competitive Div2 list, and like many.clubs around have limited or no Juniors. Another season in Div 3 to build on the list may have had them prepared but this did not happen.

All committees are having significant issues at the moment, when things don't go right it is easy to say they are poor, but you are doing a disservice without context.

Aussie Rules has a big issue at a local level. In the WRFL right now a bigger issue is coming up next season where there are very few teams ready for the higher division but some who will need the lower.division to rebuild. Get it wrong and.the.WRFL could have 18 or 19 clubs next season which means 176 odd players not playing seniors or reserves and many past players and committee people turned away.

So instead of criticism how about helping the clubs and push the criticism and calls for action where the issue is, AFL Victoria

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lachy said:
I am not here to defend the Brookers and what you have laid out does have truth but some context should be put around it.

The previous coach did not resign, you cannot resign from a contract you do not have. It is true was not offered a contract or asked to discuss one so he announced he would be moving on.

He was releaved of his role for finals as he was, in my view falsely, suspended by the WRFL for a non existent umpire issue.

Now we can all have opinions about the clubs actions, mine is they were wrong on both counts, however those in charge made those decisions with the best intentions. That does not mean it is badly run, just that from the outside the decisions do not appear wise.

As for the playing list, I was only going on transfers lodged, if you say there are many more to go through from the premiership team, the cannot be an argument.

However, as a club they did try and do the right thing signing as many of the team on 2 year contracts as possible. That the players changed later is really not something you can control. If you believe otherwise you have either not had that responsibility or been at a club with a strong junior program that as a group will stick fat.

I am also sure they tried to sign the 6 to 8 quality players as a minimum to just be competitive I'm Div 2.

They are an example of why I am strongly against automatic promotion and relegation, it should be an option. I am also against getting rid.of division 3 as reality is this will do nothing more than kill clubs that will not be replaced.

Braybrook had an ok Div 3 list that played.well when it counted. Their list was miles short of a competitive Div2 list, and like many.clubs around have limited or no Juniors. Another season in Div 3 to build on the list may have had them prepared but this did not happen.

All committees are having significant issues at the moment, when things don't go right it is easy to say they are poor, but you are doing a disservice without context.

Aussie Rules has a big issue at a local level. In the WRFL right now a bigger issue is coming up next season where there are very few teams ready for the higher division but some who will need the lower.division to rebuild. Get it wrong and.the.WRFL could have 18 or 19 clubs next season which means 176 odd players not playing seniors or reserves and many past players and committee people turned away.

So instead of criticism how about helping the clubs and push the criticism and calls for action where the issue is, AFL Victoria

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You are incorrect as he was offered a contract and decided to resign.

I agree automatic promotion/relegation doesn’t work but the WRFL doesn’t have automatic promotion/relegation.. there’s an expectation to go up/down but some clubs haven’t gone that way.

Clubs are consulted and then decisions are made.

E.g. West Footscray stayed up for years, Deer Park & Altona both stayed down after winning Division 2 premierships - they went up after their 2nd Div 2 premiership.

We’ll have to agree to this disagree on this one.

Yes AFL Victoria has to do better to create a greater talent pool and support clubs. But clubs also have to be good clubs, places where people want to go. Good decision making goes along way - regardless of resources..
 
lachy said:
Seriously dude you have an problem.

What old players did Parkside recruit??? They actually recruited to have a crack at Div 1. North Footscray recruited players to build on to have a crack at div 2. So name all these mercenaries and then look at their overall recruitment. For Parkside you could not be more wrong.

Braybrook have re signed 70% of their premiership team on 2 year contracts. They also have added to their list. They will struggle this season but are likely to survive now and will build
They are a well run club with good people involved.

Why are you calling the players who won the Div 3 flag hero's? You done better yourself? Those who have left have done so to either play in a higher division or play in a lower division that their stage of career allows.

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Parkside won the div 2 flag and got relegated.
Do you have Amnesia?
 
Squeeky Clean said:
Every club from division 3 outside the suns and tarniet
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Shows your knowledge of the competition. You are getting rid of a club with junior teams through all age groups on back of an ever growing Auskick, strong under 18's and good numbers for seniors and reserves.

You are also getting rid of a club competetive every year and one that was in Div 1 in 2012

So yeah let's kill off footy in the West

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lachy said:
2015!!! Relevance in 2023

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If you don't think those decisions of clubs and league back then have relevance then you have no idea.

They systemic problems of poor decisions yesterday, have created the problem for the league today.

They are the complete reason the competition is now by far the worst in metro Melbourne, and it's in a growth corridor, go figure.
 
Squeeky Clean said:
If you don't think those decisions of clubs and league back then have relevance then you have no idea.

They systemic problems of poor decisions yesterday, have created the problem for the league today.

They are the complete reason the competition is now by far the worst in metro Melbourne, and it's in a growth corridor, go figure.
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Agree it’s relevant and proof there is no automatic promotion/relegation.

I think Lachy just hates to concede an agreement.

Clubs make a choice and are rarely forced to do what they don’t want to do. Is that a good thing or bad thing well everyone has a different opinion.
 
Squeeky Clean said:
Parkside won the div 2 flag and got relegated.
Do you have Amnesia?
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You do. "Relegated"? They had most of their top players get a cheap flag and threaten to leave, so instead of going up to Div1 or staying in Div2 Parkside demanded to go back to Div3 to "rebuild" and when the WRFL rolled over their top players magically had a change of heart and re-signed.

Downhill skiing all the way.
 

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