Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

[Chief]

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.

 

[DickieKnee]

because there won’t be that many, but because we’re only testing that many

This is a fact and I suspect why RATs are hard to come by.

 

[DickieKnee]

The lack of tests back in Australia is just stunning. That is a complete balls up.

Everything has been a balls up when we were best placed at the start. Its like taking a mark in the goal square with no one within 20 metres turning around and kicking it out of bounds.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I have been prescribed Vit D for years and because I take other medications asked if they have one a week capsules. (Also take daily Vit C).
This is what I take:

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Yes, that's equal to 7 days of my daily dosage.
But I take so many regular (and sometimes short-term) medications for different issues that I find it easier to organise if I have exactly the same at exactly the same times each day.

 

[sr36]

Can‘t see recording anywhere near 200,000/day. Not because there won’t be that many, but because we’re only testing that many (230,000 today). The push towards RATs might be a good idea but I cant help but think part of the strategy is to drive down test numbers and keep a lid on case numbers.

SA announcing today RATs only to be required for a symptomatic close cases, National cabinet announcing RATs not required to be followed up with PCRs…we’ll never test enough to record 200K, officially…

Probably already at 200,000 in reality, but yep, won't get there officially.

It'll burn out pretty quick at the rate it's burning.

 

[mcnulty]

Probably already at 200,000 in reality, but yep, won't get there officially.

It'll burn out pretty quick at the rate it's burning.

I hope you’re right. Want to see this burn out in somewhere other than South Africa though. UK and I think Denmark where Omicron showed relatively early?

 

[sr36]

Cases at their highest, Hospital numbers at their highest, lack of tests available, health facilities stretched. Makes way more sense for things to be implemented now than when there were only 20-100 cases a day.

That was the European mentality right through the pandemic. Without worrying about the 100 cases a day, they didn't stay that low for long and resulted in heaps of death, as well as heaps of lockdown when the deaths got too high.

But it's a new phase with a new less damaging strain now. It'll burn out before too long.

 

[sr36]

I hope you’re right. Want to see this burn out in somewhere other than South Africa though. UK and I think Denmark where Omicron showed relatively early?

It has to. 1 in 3 NSW tests is positive. The real numbers would be multiples higher than the 35,000 confirmed cases. It won't be long before there is a really significant percentage with naturally acquired Omicron immunity.

 

[DickieKnee]

All these dickeads taking vitamins and Ivermectin thinking they are invincible?

Healthy diet dudes no need for pills. Takes time but a healthy veg,fruit,protein diet = no need for pills...I saw a thing about Blackmore pills and summfin..freemasons...,somefine graphene oxide, Some new magical anti crystal.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Can‘t see recording anywhere near 200,000/day. Not because there won’t be that many, but because we’re only testing that many (230,000 today). The push towards RATs might be a good idea but I cant help but think part of the strategy is to drive down test numbers and keep a lid on case numbers.

So Mr Morrison is going to be rescued by his governments own ineptitude at organising a national covid testing regime?

 

[Maddhew]

All these dickeads taking vitamins and Ivermectin thinking they are invincible?

Healthy diet dudes no need for pills. Takes time but a healthy veg,fruit,protein diet = no need for pills...I saw a thing about Blackmore pills and summfin..freemasons...,somefine graphene oxide, Some new magical anti crystal.

Vaccines are clearly the most effective tool. The rest also potentially helpful. Not enough has been done re: post transmission pharmaceuticals for sick patients.

People taking veterinary preparations of Ivermectin or anything else not prescribed are fools. Nothing wrong with Drs prescribing off label pharmaceuticals to sick patients even if unsure of the ultimate benefit provided risk of adverse side effects are low. I'd prefer that over being hooked up to a ventilator and told 'good luck'

No idea how Vitamin D supplements have become controversial, apart from some idiots believing they alone are enough to reduce their susceptibility to severe symptoms.

The pandemic has required a dynamic response and there have been plenty of missteps along the way. The jab jab jab strategy shouldn't be the sole focus.

The problem is to advertise benefits of anything other than the vaccine will lead to higher vaccine hesitancy from the types you have pointed out in your post.

Exercise & fitness also a good suggestion albeit certainly not in isolation.

 

[faible]

Nothing wrong with Drs prescribing off label pharmaceuticals to sick patients even if unsure of the ultimate benefit

There kinda is.

 

[CD Xbow]

So we had a late 70s unvax patient die a couple of days ago. In this case we had a family demanding we give various vitamins, ivermectin, hot steam (and dexamethasone) . We gave dex but not vitamins (incidentally vit d level is >100)
Family wanting a “image” of the test result not happy to believe the pcr.
Family wanted him to go to private hospital despite us saying @cant move due to oxygen requirements and also private hospitals don’t take sick covid (one does for not that sick but they come via a DHS pathway)

It is insane that non medical relatives can try to bully staff into doing sh*t house “treatments” and waste my staff time. If any of you rabbit hole nutters read this be aware that my response will be to tell you once what we are doing and I will refuse to entertain doing any bullshit you ask. Feel free to complain to ahpra I don’t give a sh*t I have much better things to do that entertain nut job conspiracy sh*t while delivering urgent clinical care.

Breath deeply Cranky, and remember rule #4, The patient is the one with the disease..

 

[Maddhew]

There kinda is.

The TGA and FDA would argue otherwise

 

[faible]

The TGA and FDA would argue otherwise

Pretty sure there was some kind of memo put out about doctors prescribing medication for off-label use at doses not appropriately tested.

Ivermectin was the one they specifically mentioned, from memory.

So yeah, kinda a problem.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Breath deeply Cranky, and remember rule #4, The patient is the one with the disease..

Yeah but in this case it was the family who (let’s be blunt) have some other disease. Terminal penile cranium

 

[Maddhew]

Pretty sure there was some kind of memo put out about doctors prescribing medication for off-label use at doses not appropriately tested.

Ivermectin was the one they specifically mentioned, from memory.

So yeah, kinda a problem.

New restrictions on prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19

TGA has placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin

www.tga.gov.au

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

I am not sure we are arguing, they restricted it for GP prescription for the specific purpose it would increase vaccine hesitancy, promote the idea it was an (unfounded) cure for Covid and potentially reduce stockpiles of the drug for its intended purpose.

It wasn't done because it is unsafe for for human consumption on the recommended dosages.

It can still be prescribed off label by certain specialists.

It seems the right approach.

 

[Maddhew]

So just 2 weeks ago we had Morrison scoffing at the modelling that predicted we could have 200,000 cases per day nationally. If you recall, he claimed that this could only happen if nothing at all was done (read the story linked below).

"The modeling that's been reported is a very unlikely, extreme case scenario that assumes that nobody does anything; nobody gets boosters, there are no changes that take place, no one exercises common sense," Mr Morrison told Sunrise.”

I wonder if he’ll be called to account for his denials of this modelling if we continue our current case trajectory? 80,000-odd today, after being at about 40,000 4 days ago and under 20,000 just over a week back. Surely 200,000 is pretty much a certainty in the next fortnight?

'Extreme case scenario': Scott Morrison reacts to 200,000 infections a day prediction

Australia's chief medical officer has also hit out at "misleading" media reports, claiming the new modelling presents "the worst case scenario".

www.sbs.com.au

This is a bit of a turnaround of events - no sex on the wedding night because the groom has a headache.

Experts are predicting we are in excess of 200k+ cases a day already. It's actually good news when you consider the percentages of cases ending up in hospital, ICU and on ventilators.

Morrison was wrong, not Robinson Crusoe in this pandemic.

 

[Rotayjay]

There's an air of chaos around Australia at the moment. Surely most people in the country will have had covid-19 by the 30th of June, possibly by the 30th of April.

 

[Rotayjay]

14k here in VIC today, seems half the people I know are a close contact of someone. No RAT's available anywhere, half-day queues for PCR tests and a multi-day wait to get a result.

How long until we go the South Africa route of "if you don't have symptoms, don't do anything about it" I wonder?

Already people are being advised to simply assume they have it and quarantine if they feel unwell and can't get any test

 

[Rotayjay]

So we had a late 70s unvax patient die a couple of days ago. In this case we had a family demanding we give various vitamins, ivermectin, hot steam (and dexamethasone) . We gave dex but not vitamins (incidentally vit d level is >100)
Family wanting a “image” of the test result not happy to believe the pcr.
Family wanted him to go to private hospital despite us saying @cant move due to oxygen requirements and also private hospitals don’t take sick covid (one does for not that sick but they come via a DHS pathway)

It is insane that non medical relatives can try to bully staff into doing sh*t house “treatments” and waste my staff time. If any of you rabbit hole nutters read this be aware that my response will be to tell you once what we are doing and I will refuse to entertain doing any bullshit you ask. Feel free to complain to ahpra I don’t give a sh*t I have much better things to do that entertain nut job conspiracy sh*t while delivering urgent clinical care.

I'm sorry you have to deal with this crap, especially since people are costing their own lives now.

 

[Rotayjay]

Probably already at 200,000 in reality, but yep, won't get there officially.

It'll burn out pretty quick at the rate it's burning.

If we get to 250,000 actual (not recorded) cases per day, then the entire population gets it within 100 days.

 

[Chief]

If we get to 250,000 actual (not recorded) cases per day, then the entire population gets it within 100 days.

And we'll see a whole lot more anti-vaxxers doing death-bed recantations.

 

[Marcel Proust]

And we'll see a whole lot more anti-vaxxers doing death-bed recantations.

In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza.

Covid has been going for years with about 2000 deaths with interesting record keeping

 

[sr36]

If we get to 250,000 actual (not recorded) cases per day, then the entire population gets it within 100 days.

It'll slow down at some stage soonish as it starts hitting more and more people who've already had it. But we'll never know what the actual peak was. We'll only know it's slowed when the percentage of positive drops - assuming testing rates stay at current capacity.

 

[sr36]

In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza.

Covid has been going for years with about 2000 deaths with interesting record keeping

You may have noticed there have been some different rules implemented to keep that death number to 1255.