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[Grrr]

I really dont think it would be prudent to move the clubs best defender against sml and med forwards and who goes okay against talls as well. Robbing peter to pay paul in a big way. Especially when we have a heap of younger players who can and should be getting games on the wing. it has been a position that clubs have used to ease younger mids into the game.

Imo you you are right to mention Broad and Grimes together. To me its not weather Rance replaces Broad, Rance is an automatic inclusion no matter which way you look at it, Its about Grimes who is a far better player than Broad if we send him back to his old pre Rance injury role.

Broad is in no way a kpd more a lock down player on small and medium types Grimes is far more accomplished in that. The age of our KPD,S means it would be prudent to start getting games into a successor. For me that player is Balta. so Balta comes in to play Kpd, Rance plays third tall Astbury Kpd and Grimes plays his old role of playing on the sml/med type fwds.There is no place for a fifth tall especially one who provides little rebound.

Yep we persevere with the old set up or acknowledge its time to start developing and getting games into the next crop of kpp,s at the club. I think we need to do the latter.

Agree Balta needs games, whether than be rd.1 or phased it along the way. Going to be very hard to fit everyone in if all are fit and well. Our VFL side is going to be something else this year.

 

[tropicaltiger]

I really dont think it would be prudent to move the clubs best defender against sml and med forwards and who goes okay against talls as well. Robbing peter to pay paul in a big way. Especially when we have a heap of younger players who can and should be getting games on the wing. it has been a position that clubs have used to ease younger mids into the game.

Imo you you are right to mention Broad and Grimes together. To me its not weather Rance replaces Broad, Rance is an automatic inclusion no matter which way you look at it, Its about Grimes who is a far better player than Broad if we send him back to his old pre Rance injury role.

Broad is in no way a kpd more a lock down player on small and medium types Grimes is far more accomplished in that. The age of our KPD,S means it would be prudent to start getting games into a successor. For me that player is Balta. so Balta comes in to play Kpd, Rance plays third tall Astbury Kpd and Grimes plays his old role of playing on the sml/med type fwds.There is no place for a fifth tall especially one who provides little rebound.

Yep we persevere with the old set up or acknowledge its time to start developing and getting games into the next crop of kpp,s at the club. I think we need to do the latter.

dont see a problem having stack or baker minding the smalls, with alex back, grimes can be used as more of a weapon, he loves to run and gun.

 

[Phar Ace]

With a smorgasbord of versatile and top notch backmen, I'm predicting Broad will get a regular gig and Dylan Grimes getting a lot of wing time, has that 'Bryan Wood' dash and long driving kick about him and a great mark and spoiler, who is superbly fit and durable with plenty of dare and vigour now, Sooooo off with the shackles Dimma and give Grima a crack at it.

Wow, that's a prediction and a half! Grimes to the Wing?! I'm all for changing things up a bit, it's the best way for players to be freshened up mentally. Back six recipe is important, what we get at the back end of the season has usually been a result of consistency through the season proper, so I'm not sure the FD will want to play with that too much - perhaps Grimes going through there for cameo bursts, but I doubt it will occur much. Think Broad is more likely to go through there as a sagging back winger than Grimes tbh (like KMac did before being unceremoniously dumped).

 

[tropicaltiger]

Wow, that's a prediction and a half! Grimes to the Wing?! I'm all for changing things up a bit, it's the best way for players to be freshened up mentally. Back six recipe is important, what we get at the back end of the season has usually been a result of consistency through the season proper, so I'm not sure the FD will want to play with that too much - perhaps Grimes going through there for cameo bursts, but I doubt it will occur much. Think Broad is more likely to go through there as a sagging back winger than Grimes tbh (like KMac did before being unceremoniously dumped).

yep swingman wingman, caddy as an aggressive offensive one and grimes as more your traditional defensive type and rotate a few more thru there as well, i would like to see grimes trialled there in wizz cup and JLT.

 

[sregit]

yep swingman wingman, caddy as an aggressive offensive one and grimes as more your traditional defensive type and rotate a few more thru there as well, i would like to see grimes trialled there in wizz cup and JLT.

Absolutely no need for Grimes to go to a wing. He's our best defender of smalls and medium forwards. The wing has been earmarked as a position to introduce new midfield talent. RFC needs to ensure that younger players with good VFL form have a position to advance to in the big league and are justly rewarded. We have many younger players who will step up and demand a game by their consistency of performance. Let form determine who gets a gig, not past performance. If the club do not introduce deserving young talent, then we are going backwards. I expect at least a couple of younger players to displace some of those that played in season 2019. Circle of (footy) life. Replenish stocks before you are forced to do so.

 

[mopsy]

hmm been here and done it and people were upset. suppose this is a more apt place to put up a team full of changes. I will be honest id not have a problem if this was our round 1 team but i have to say some would have to improve significantly which i think they can do.

OUT - Broad , Rioli , Houli, Baker , Short , Ellis, one of the ruckmen
INS - Rance, Graham, DE-S, Balta , Stack , Ross, C Coleman - Jones.

Reasoning is as follows.

Broad is a tall and Rance is a better one. Although in the team i dont have Rance taking Broads spot. i have Grimes reverting back to his old role making Broad redundant.Either way Rance Grimes are far better players than Broad.

Rioli is the most over hyped player we have and id prefer we play sml mids in his place mids like Edwards, Lambert Bolton all offer just as much as a fwd but more as mids. Edwards Bolton Lambert Martin Stack, Pickett can all rotate thru the fwd line.Simply put i have Castagna in front of him as a specialist sml fwd and would bring in a mid like Graham for added midfield grunt.

Houli well it wont happen but i think DE-S is the heir apparent and he is ticking along quite nicely.People have Stack in this role and i like him there as well, but imo he can be a serious part of the midfield allowing DE-S to be played here. DE-S imo shows far more as a defender than Short and Baker and its only a matter of time and development before he takes their spot.Another option in the team is Pickett across h/b.

Baker for the future chb of the club in Balta. Yep we will continue to go with four talls in defense. i think it Should be a future KPD allowing Rance to play third tall rather than a tall like Broad who is more suited to a shut down role on sml/med types that job reverts back to the better Grimes.I think its now the time to get games into our future KPP'S and Balta is one of them.

Stack for panic merchant Short.Not only more composed but tough and hard at it with skill and can perform multiple roles well. its a no brainer for me.

Soldo or Nankervis out and C Coleman-Jones to offer some help in the ruck but to play primarily as a third tall fwd.This just makes sense to me and i hope CC-J continues to improve enough to push one of the others out.He just offers us a different type of player.It probably wont happen for awhile.

Ross yes Jack Ross on a wing instead of Ellis but in Caddy's spot.

Thats seven changes from the g/f team, it wont happen but i think 4 changes are very likely Rance, Ross, Graham Stack.And i think one other needs to happen Balta. im hopeful and optimistic about the future of the other 3 and really do think its important we get games into Balta who played 13 last yr. So i suppose im looking for 5 changes .

B/ Vlastuin 187/88 - Astbury 195/96 - Grimes 193/90
HB/Rance 194/96 - Balta 194/100 - DE-S. Houli will play.

C/ Bolton 175/76 - Cotchin 185/86 - Ross 187/85
R/ Nankervis 199/102 - Martin 187/93 - Prestia 175/82

HF/ Edwards 182/80 - Riewoldt 193/93 - Lambert 178/77
F/ Castagna 181/80 - Lynch - 199/99 - CC-J 200/102. Most likely they will stick with the two established rucks.

Int/ Pickett - Stack - Graham - Caddy.

 

[OptimusGrimes]

With all the depth we've accumulated, we could be at serious risk of having 23rd and 24th best players wanting out. I think it's worth rotating the 22 fairly often to rest some of the older blokes and make sure everyone is happy with the game time they're getting.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

hmm been here and done it and people were upset. suppose this is a more apt place to put up a team full of changes. I will be honest id not have a problem if this was our round 1 team but i have to say some would have to improve significantly which i think they can do.

OUT - Broad , Rioli , Houli, Baker , Short , Ellis, one of the ruckmen
INS - Rance, Graham, DE-S, Balta , Stack , Ross, C Coleman - Jones.

Reasoning is as follows.

Broad is a tall and Rance is a better one. Although in the team i dont have Rance taking Broads spot. i have Grimes reverting back to his old role making Broad redundant.Either way Rance Grimes are far better players than Broad.

Rioli is the most over hyped player we have and id prefer we play sml mids in his place mids like Edwards, Lambert Bolton all offer just as much as a fwd but more as mids. Edwards Bolton Lambert Martin Stack, Pickett can all rotate thru the fwd line.Simply put i have Castagna in front of him as a specialist sml fwd and would bring in a mid like Graham for added midfield grunt.

Houli well it wont happen but i think DE-S is the heir apparent and he is ticking along quite nicely.People have Stack in this role and i like him there as well, but imo he can be a serious part of the midfield allowing DE-S to be played here. DE-S imo shows far more as a defender than Short and Baker and its only a matter of time and development before he takes their spot.Another option in the team is Pickett across h/b.

Baker for the future chb of the club in Balta. Yep we will continue to go with four talls in defense. i think it Should be a future KPD allowing Rance to play third tall rather than a tall like Broad who is more suited to a shut down role on sml/med types that job reverts back to the better Grimes.I think its now the time to get games into our future KPP'S and Balta is one of them.

Stack for panic merchant Short.Not only more composed but tough and hard at it with skill and can perform multiple roles well. its a no brainer for me.

Soldo or Nankervis out and C Coleman-Jones to offer some help in the ruck but to play primarily as a third tall fwd.This just makes sense to me and i hope CC-J continues to improve enough to push one of the others out.He just offers us a different type of player.It probably wont happen for awhile.

Ross yes Jack Ross on a wing instead of Ellis but in Caddy's spot.

Thats seven changes from the g/f team, it wont happen but i think 4 changes are very likely Rance, Ross, Graham Stack.And i think one other needs to happen Balta. im hopeful and optimistic about the future of the other 3 and really do think its important we get games into Balta who played 13 last yr. So i suppose im looking for 5 changes .

B/ Vlastuin 187/88 - Astbury 195/96 - Grimes 193/90
HB/Rance 194/96 - Balta 194/100 - DE-S. Houli will play.

C/ Bolton 175/76 - Cotchin 185/86 - Ross 187/85
R/ Nankervis 199/102 - Martin 187/93 - Prestia 175/82

HF/ Edwards 182/80 - Riewoldt 193/93 - Lambert 178/77
F/ Castagna 181/80 - Lynch - 199/99 - CC-J 200/102. Most likely they will stick with the two established rucks.

Int/ Pickett - Stack - Graham - Caddy.

I'd agree with most, even all the changes, with a few caveats. Nankervis plays most games with CCJ taking over for a handful (Nankervis traded at year end if CCJ steps up).

Similar with Houli. I think it likely for some reason he will ping a hammy or have another type of soft tissue injury... in comes DES and plays the Houli role for as many games as needed.

Short for Stack. Watched the West Coast game on the weekend and saw Short drill a 50 metre goal on his left, is superb disposer on both sides and is highly rated. I agree he lacks defence at times though, but Stack for Baker down back would one I'd be looking at first.

Rioli... could happen as the youngsters start pushing... and there are a few you havent mentioned in that list.

 

[tropicaltiger]

B: Broad Astbury Short
HB: Houli Rance Vlas
C: Caddy Edwards Grimes
HF: Bolton Lynch Castagna
F: Martin Riewoldt Rioli
Foll: Nank Cotch Prestia
Bench: Lambert Pickett Stack Soldo
Emergency: Ross Graham Macintosh Baker
IN: Stack Ranch OUT: Baker

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

B: Broad Astbury Short
HB: Houli Rance Vlas
C: Caddy Edwards Grimes
HF: Bolton Lynch Castagna
F: Martin Riewoldt Rioli
Foll: Nank Cotch Prestia
Bench: Lambert Pickett Stack Soldo
Emergency: Ross Graham Macintosh Baker
IN: Stack Ranch OUT: Baker

Terrific looking side...still reckon MPickett is too experienced and talented a player to be starting on the bench...needs to be in the guts from the word go..

 

[Grrr]

hmm been here and done it and people were upset. suppose this is a more apt place to put up a team full of changes. I will be honest id not have a problem if this was our round 1 team but i have to say some would have to improve significantly which i think they can do.

OUT - Broad , Rioli , Houli, Baker , Short , Ellis, one of the ruckmen
INS - Rance, Graham, DE-S, Balta , Stack , Ross, C Coleman - Jones.

Reasoning is as follows.

Broad is a tall and Rance is a better one. Although in the team i dont have Rance taking Broads spot. i have Grimes reverting back to his old role making Broad redundant.Either way Rance Grimes are far better players than Broad.

Rioli is the most over hyped player we have and id prefer we play sml mids in his place mids like Edwards, Lambert Bolton all offer just as much as a fwd but more as mids. Edwards Bolton Lambert Martin Stack, Pickett can all rotate thru the fwd line.Simply put i have Castagna in front of him as a specialist sml fwd and would bring in a mid like Graham for added midfield grunt.

Houli well it wont happen but i think DE-S is the heir apparent and he is ticking along quite nicely.People have Stack in this role and i like him there as well, but imo he can be a serious part of the midfield allowing DE-S to be played here. DE-S imo shows far more as a defender than Short and Baker and its only a matter of time and development before he takes their spot.Another option in the team is Pickett across h/b.

Baker for the future chb of the club in Balta. Yep we will continue to go with four talls in defense. i think it Should be a future KPD allowing Rance to play third tall rather than a tall like Broad who is more suited to a shut down role on sml/med types that job reverts back to the better Grimes.I think its now the time to get games into our future KPP'S and Balta is one of them.

Stack for panic merchant Short.Not only more composed but tough and hard at it with skill and can perform multiple roles well. its a no brainer for me.

Soldo or Nankervis out and C Coleman-Jones to offer some help in the ruck but to play primarily as a third tall fwd.This just makes sense to me and i hope CC-J continues to improve enough to push one of the others out.He just offers us a different type of player.It probably wont happen for awhile.

Ross yes Jack Ross on a wing instead of Ellis but in Caddy's spot.

Thats seven changes from the g/f team, it wont happen but i think 4 changes are very likely Rance, Ross, Graham Stack.And i think one other needs to happen Balta. im hopeful and optimistic about the future of the other 3 and really do think its important we get games into Balta who played 13 last yr. So i suppose im looking for 5 changes .

B/ Vlastuin 187/88 - Astbury 195/96 - Grimes 193/90
HB/Rance 194/96 - Balta 194/100 - DE-S. Houli will play.

C/ Bolton 175/76 - Cotchin 185/86 - Ross 187/85
R/ Nankervis 199/102 - Martin 187/93 - Prestia 175/82

HF/ Edwards 182/80 - Riewoldt 193/93 - Lambert 178/77
F/ Castagna 181/80 - Lynch - 199/99 - CC-J 200/102. Most likely they will stick with the two established rucks.

Int/ Pickett - Stack - Graham - Caddy.

Most of what you say makes sense in theory except that it won't happen Rd.1.

DES will come in most likely and play half back, but there is almost no chance of Houli being dropped (which you acknowledge) because he is a gun half back. But DES will get games, and you may be right, he may be a better player than Short.

Rioli had a quiet year in a year I thought he would really make his name. So the jury is out, although his back half of the year was better than his first. Will be interesting if he stalls or improves, but he will be there Rd.1.

The ruck will be interesting. CCJ can play and will get games so if he is good enough he will replace one of Nank or Soldo. But being a young ruck is never easy. However I do not see the need for another tall forward, so if he plays it will be mainly interchanging on the bench with brief spells relieving Lynch and Jack. Can't see them playing 3 talls at once for much of the game.

Either way your side looks pretty good. Our VFL side won't be bad either with all your 'inclusions'.

 

[Not Important]

B: Broad Astbury Short
HB: Houli Rance Vlas
C: Caddy Edwards Grimes
HF: Bolton Lynch Castagna
F: Martin Riewoldt Rioli
Foll: Nank Cotch Prestia
Bench: Lambert Pickett Stack Soldo
Emergency: Ross Graham Macintosh Baker
IN: Stack Ranch OUT: Baker

just have a feeling soldo will be our no 1 ruckman this year.

 

[strauchy]

FB: Astbury Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Vlastuin Short
C: Caddy Ross Edwards
HF: Lambert Riewoldt Cotchin
FF: Castagna Lynch Bolton
Foll Soldo Dusty Prestia

Int: Rioli Pickett Stack Graham

Emg: Higgins McIntosh Baker


Naish/RCD and Higgins especially should be the first ones to come in when they find form. It's a good problem we have and should put a lot of people in the team under pressure.

I really think we need to manage Cotchin throughout the year and only play him in the guts during crucial stages on game day. We need to get games into the future midfielders for the next generation. This should rotate between Ross, Higgins, Graham, Naish, RCD. I can see all these players being crucial to our future.

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

I think baker gets forgotten too easy, how much more improvement can he have?

 

[Wacky Tiger]

I think baker gets forgotten too easy, how much more improvement can he have?

I dont disagree but boy oh boy wowee we have some depth. Tell me how we fit in Rance, Stack, Graham, Ross, Higgins?

A few are going to have to bide their time in the ressies but geez were in a great spot moving forward.

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

I dont disagree but boy oh boy wowee we have some depth. Tell me how we fit in Rance, Stack, Graham, Ross, Higgins?

A few are going to have to bide their time in the ressies but geez were in a great spot moving forward.

Baker doesn’t have the fan boy love here and think he will be Ellis 2.0 as a punching bag on here

 

[Grrr]

Baker doesn’t have the fan boy love here and think he will be Ellis 2.0 as a punching bag on here

Why. Baker does everything right within his powers but it's a real hard side to crack and the standard has lifted even further 2020. He will be thereabouts, but I don't think anyone can get stuck into him for any reason other than last man in first man out. Unless he lifts his game again, which is not beyond him.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Baker doesn’t have the fan boy love here and think he will be Ellis 2.0 as a punching bag on here

I can see Shorty becoming the new Ellis tbh.

I'm probably as big a Baker fan as there is. Seems a very smart footballer. His size does worry me though. Was watching a few of the finals series matches again and the one thing i noticed is one on one in a marking contest he really struggles with strength and reach. Unfortunatly the one thing you cant teach / develop is size. Now obviously that's not his speciality but i just reckon hes going to be one of those periphery guys who are constantly in and out of the side due to form.

But that aside its the quality that is still to come in. We are in a fantastic position it really is hard to fathom after living through the 90's and 00's

 

[Karp3_dm]

Baker doesn’t have the fan boy love here and think he will be Ellis 2.0 as a punching bag on here

Baker is a gun! So hard at it for his size... has great disposal. Will only continue to improve, I really seen him like a Caleb Daniel or even a Sam Mitchell type..

he’s that good imo..
Kid is 20 years old, so much improvement in him

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

Why. Baker does everything right within his powers but it's a real hard side to crack and the standard has lifted even further 2020. He will be thereabouts, but I don't think anyone can get stuck into him for any reason other than last man in first man out. Unless he lifts his game again, which is not beyond him.

going into his 3rd year, sky is the limit. No particular reason other than he hasn’t got the fan boy love other players get, similar to Ellis so I do expect at some point he will be the whipping boy

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Baker is a gun! So hard at it for his size... has great disposal. Will only continue to improve, I really seen him like a Caleb Daniel or even a Sam Mitchell type..

he’s that good imo..
Kid is 20 years old, so much improvement in him

Sammy Mitchell might be a bit of a stretch but Daniel is a perfect comparison.

 

[dustysnecktattoo]

I can see Shorty becoming the new Ellis tbh.

I'm probably as big a Baker fan as there is. Seems a very smart footballer. His size does worry me though. Was watching a few of the finals series matches again and the one thing i noticed is one on one in a marking contest he really struggles with strength and reach. Unfortunatly the one thing you cant teach / develop is size. Now obviously that's not his speciality but i just reckon hes going to be one of those periphery guys who are constantly in and out of the side due to form.

But that aside its the quality that is still to come in. We are in a fantastic position it really is hard to fathom after living through the 90's and 00's

don’t know why but he reminds me of foley

 

[prodigy1311]

Not much love for Ross? i reckon he plays every game if fit

Grimes Rance Broad
Vlas Astbury Houli
Edwards prestia caddy
Reiwoldt rioli lambert
Castagna lynch bolton
Soldo martin cotchin
I - Pickett Ross Stack Nank

Give us the flag already..!

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I dont disagree but boy oh boy wowee we have some depth. Tell me how we fit in Rance, Stack, Graham, Ross, Higgins?

A few are going to have to bide their time in the ressies but geez were in a great spot moving forward.

And what's wrong with CCJ and RCD?!?!?

 

[Grrr]

going into his 3rd year, sky is the limit. No particular reason other than he hasn’t got the fan boy love other players get, similar to Ellis so I do expect at some point he will be the whipping boy

Ellis was a whipping boy for a reason, whether you agree or not.... there are about 300 pages of it if you are a masochist.