Strategy Your ideal starting 22

[lumpinee]

Broad. Grimes. Astbury.
Houli. Balta. Vlastuin.
Short. Cotchin. Pickett.
Bolton. Riewoldt. Lambert.
Edwards. Lynch. George.
Nankervis. Martin. Prestia.
Chol. Baker. Caddy. Higgins

Ross. Aarts. Soldo. McIntosh.

apologies marcel, pickett not up to it,id rather aarts,houli ...hmm?? jurys out but hes earnt a shot,mcintosh for caddy,higgins and egg to fight for last spot
or if castagna starts choking against top teams maybe higgins in there...ross,graham,stack,pickett,soldo not suited to afl version 2020 and thats what counts right now and next 9-11 weeks and others have gone past them,thats what happens in a blink

 

[juss]

caddy on the wing is a bust,not up to it torched by elite wingman like gaff and hill we need plan for future

I could somewhat agree, I do think that moving forward in 2021, we need a real outside running mid with speed to play on the wing.
Someone like a Stack, Naish, Egg, Rioli, Bolton type of player. Not sure who but a big preseason spot up for grabs.

 

[Mr Magic]

caddy on the wing is a bust,not up to it torched by elite wingman like gaff and hill we need plan for future

I think he is better maybe as a half forward hybrid

 

[Soberian Tiger]

The Age has an article with a Champion Data injuries to best 22 ladder.

North on top with 54 games lost. Richmond 17th with 14, one more than Saints on bottom.

This, of course, is a stat of dubious quality. Best 22 could be the best player in the team or the 22nd best.

Who decides the best 22, anyway? Player rankings? We know how dodgy they are.

Also, injuries to non-best players can hurt more sometimes. If Lynch and Riewoldt went down now, the injury to CCJ would really hurt (he doesn't count, obviously), whereas other best 22 players may be more easily covered.

All in all, it's a lot more complicated than the injured stat ladders shows.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Short. Astbury Grimes
Vlastuin. Balta. Broad
Houli. Cotchin Caddy
Bolton Lynch Castagna
Edwards Reiwoldt Lambert
Nank. Martin Prestia
Int: Bakes Pickett Chol Higgins

Emergency
Soldo. Kmac. Ross Rioli

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The Age has an article with a Champion Data injuries to best 22 ladder.

North on top with 54 games lost. Richmond 17th with 14, one more than Saints on bottom.

This, of course, is a stat of dubious quality. Best 22 could be the best player in the team or the 22nd best.

Who decides the best 22, anyway? Player rankings? We know how dodgy they are.

Also, injuries to non-best players can hurt more sometimes. If Lynch and Riewoldt went down now, the injury to CCJ would really hurt (he doesn't count, obviously), whereas other best 22 players may be more easily covered.

All in all, it's a lot more complicated than the injured stat ladders shows.

From our list and my estimation of best 22 we have lost:

Rance 9
Prestia 4
Martin 1
Cotchin 3
Nankervis 4
Astbury 5
Edwards 4
Vlastuin 1
Caddy 3
Houli 5

That is how many of our best 22 have been missing so far this year, for all reasons. 39 matches and add 7 to that tomorrow night to go to 46. I would love them to explain which one of those players from our list is not best 22. And why they single out injuries from all the possible reasons a player can be unavailable....managed, family reasons, personal reasons, mental health, injury, caught in a state of non-sobriety walking naked down a suburban street, hurt feelings, drug cheating, salary cap cheating, sanctioned for gambling, charged with indecent assault, poor attitude, suspensions, whether AFL, club or leadership group imposed, quarantined....and that list is just using Collingwood in the last few weeks as an example, so surely not exhaustive. .

So why reduce it to just injuries?

14! . Champion Fiction.

After tomorrow in 10 matches we will have had an average of 4.6 of our best 22 missing per match, based on the best 22 on our list. WTF are they basing it on? My list is an accurate reflection of our unavailabilities. Champion Inventors. Champion Omitters. Charlatan Data. Champion Pointmissers. They are the Crouch Brothers of data exceopt they don’t have to compete to get a gig. So they have become even more pointless than the Crouch brothers if that is possible.

14! As Mopsy would say routinely when he disagrees with something and wants to belittle the other party, FMD. On average we have had about 20% of our best team missing and maybe an even higher percentage of our salary cap out. What planet are those clowns on? Adulterated Data. 14, lol. Idiots.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Short. Astbury Grimes
Vlastuin. Balta. Broad
Houli. Cotchin Caddy
Bolton Lynch Castagna
Edwards Reiwoldt Lambert
Nank. Martin Prestia
Int: Bakes Pickett Chol Higgins

Emergency
Soldo. Kmac. Ross Rioli

Yep would agree with this. Houli would have to come up and play on a wing.

 

[Goshaa]

Rolling best 22...

FB: Grimes, Balta, Broad
HB: Houli, Vlastuin, Short
C: Pickett, Cotchin, Caddy
HF: Edwards, Riewoldt, Lambert
FF: Martin, Lynch, Castagna
R: Nankervis, Prestia, Bolton
I: Baker, Stack, Chol, Aarts

E: Astbury, Higgins, Soldo

 

[Reservoir tiger]

From our list and my estimation of best 22 we have lost:

Rance 9
Prestia 4
Martin 1
Cotchin 3
Nankervis 4
Astbury 5
Edwards 4
Vlastuin 1
Caddy 3
Houli 5

That is how many of our best 22 have been missing so far this year, for all reasons. 39 matches and add 7 to that tomorrow night to go to 46. I would love them to explain which one of those players from our list is not best 22. And why they single out injuries from all the possible reasons a player can be unavailable....managed, family reasons, personal reasons, mental health, injury, caught in a state of non-sobriety walking naked down a suburban street, hurt feelings, drug cheating, salary cap cheating, sanctioned for gambling, charged with indecent assault, poor attitude, suspensions, whether AFL, club or leadership group imposed, quarantined....and that list is just using Collingwood in the last few weeks as an example, so surely not exhaustive. .

So why reduce it to just injuries?

14! . Champion Fiction.

After tomorrow in 10 matches we will have had an average of 4.6 of our best 22 missing per match, based on the best 22 on our list. WTF are they basing it on? My list is an accurate reflection of our unavailabilities. Champion Inventors. Champion Omitters. Charlatan Data. Champion Pointmissers. They are the Crouch Brothers of data exceopt they don’t have to compete to get a gig. So they have become even more pointless than the Crouch brothers if that is possible.

14! As Mopsy would say routinely when he disagrees with something and wants to belittle the other party, FMD. On average we have had about 20% of our best team missing and maybe an even higher percentage of our salary cap out. What planet are those clowns on? Adulterated Data. 14, lol. Idiots.

Maybe Astbury and nank are debatable now.
And they definitely won’t be counting Rance.. he’s retired. Yes yes I know he’s still on the list.. but he’s gone!

 

[Tackle Bag]

Short. Astbury Grimes
Vlastuin. Balta. Broad
Houli. Cotchin Caddy
Bolton Lynch Castagna
Edwards Reiwoldt Lambert
Nank. Martin Prestia
Int: Bakes Pickett Chol Higgins

Emergency
Soldo. Kmac. Ross Rioli

I like this side. I think on current form Aarts has done enough to take Higgins spot though.

That back 7 with Houli is very strong with great flexibility. Who would have guessed that Broad would become such a solid player for us.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I like this side. I think on current form Aarts has done enough to take Higgins spot though.

That back 7 with Houli is very strong with great flexibility. Who would have guessed that Broad would become such a solid player for us.

Agree about Aarts should be in the 22, poor form me

 

[Do the Dew]

FB	Broad	Astbury	Grimes
HB	Vlastuin	Balta	Houli
C	Caddy	Prestia	Pickett
HF	Edwards	Lynch	Lambert
FF	Castagna	Riewoldt	Martin
FOL	Nankervis	Bolton	Cotchin
INT	Baker	Higgins	Chol Short

This is my take. From the game against Brisbane:

OUT	IN
Stack	Astbury
Egg	Houli
Ross	Prestia
Aarts	Edwards
McIntosh	Caddy
Soldo	Nankervis

Essentially we get direct upgrades in a defensive rebounder (Houli/Egg), inside mid (Prestia/Ross), half-forward (Edwards/Aarts), wing (Caddy/McIntosh), ruck (Nank/Soldo). Also Stack would come out for Astbury for balance.

We'd run very deep in defense with 2 extra defenders in Baker and Short.
We'd have a backup ruck/forward in Chol.
An extra midfielder in Higgins. Potentially could swap Higgins for Aarts as one of them would have to play forward.

If we can get this team on the park and starting to play how we have been the last few weeks, it's a guaranteed premiership

edit: think this is the exact same as some others have posted...great minds think alike

 

[mopsy]

Hmm an ideal team or a best 22 with a few spots open with an eye on the future.

FB/ Vlastuin 187/87 - Astbury 195/95 - Grimes 193/90. If Astbury comes back he comes back for Broad and Grimes moves to third tall in Broads role.
HB/ Pickett 184/84 - Balta - 194/100 - Houli 180/84.Will say again if anyone had seen Pickett play h/b at wafl level then they would understand why id like him played across h/b. Houli comes in for Egg, still think Egg is the future here.Not quite as productive as Houli yet.

C/ Lambert 178/78 - Cotchin 185/85 - Bolton 175/77. People know i have little time for both McIntosh and Caddy playing on the wings.
R/ Nankervis 199/102 - Martin 187/93 - Prestia 175/82. Nankervis when fit is easily our most productive all round ruckman.

HF/ Edwards 182/82 - Lynch 199/99 - RC-D 191/89?. Rc-d is one with an eye to the future would like him to be the one rotating mid/fwd with Dusty.A big midfielder along the lines of Dusty, DeGoey, Bontompelli, Fyfe all going fwd and stretching teams.It is a bit of a stretch atm but he has to be close to getting a game.As a mid this kid offers us something that none of the others do with the exception of Martin.If he reaches his potential he could solve our clearance problems for yrs to come.
FF/ Aarts 177/75 - Riewoldt 193/93 - Castagna 181/82. While i think Castagna and Aarts battlers atm they are our best small fwd options.

INT/ Baker 173/72 - Caddy 186/87 - Stack 179/72 - Ross 187/85. possibly Chol 198/?? if we go with a backup ruckman.Personally while Chol usually does some nice things in games he generally doesnt do enough.Stack and Ross are eyes on the future types and Liam Baker quite simply has done enough to be retained in the team.Caddy is a disappointment to me wish he could find 2015 form and perform that role for us rather than taking up a kids spot on the wing.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Given how well we have played the past few weeks, which of the players that are out of the side will actually make the most difference when coming back?

Prestia - The one we miss most I think, although I hope he's in good shape
Edwards - Bolton is playing his role. Edwards was down on form before he went out. Not sure he can move Bolton from the centre square
Astbury - Balta playing his position extremely well, possilbly even better than Astbury, although small sample size. Astbury might have a new role and may actually benefit from it.
Nankervis - Our first choice ruckman but realistically probably doesn't play to a much higher level than Soldo. Chol offers more as 2nd ruck so it'll be only one of Nank or Soldo you'd think.
Houli - Egg, Short, Baker playing that role well. Houli is a cut above and will come back in for Egg but would want to be in form

 

[Goshaa]

FB: Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
HB: Houli, Balta, Short
C: McIntosh, Cotchin, Pickett
HF: Lambert, Riewoldt, Edwards
FF: Martin, Lynch, Aarts
R: Nankervis, Bolton, Prestia
I: Chol, Stack, Baker, Broad

 

[RobsJourney]

Anyone think that we could use one less small forward and perhaps one less defender, and buff the midfield?

We don't mind losing the clearances but imagine we did win them and how good we could be as a result? A deeper midfield would mean the mids could rest forward too and create havoc there. Cotchin resting forward is something we badly need to utilise more, he's a gun there aside from his sometimes average kicking.

With this in mind...

Vlastuin, Astbury, Grimes
Houli, Balta, Broad
McIntosh, Cotchin, Lambert
Bolton, Riewoldt, Caddy
Rioli, Lynch, Higgins
Nankervis, Martin, Prestia
Chol, Edwards, Graham, Baker

That's a midfield group of:

Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Edwards, Bolton, Graham, McIntosh, Lambert, Caddy, Higgins.

Baker can help there too and can still play his sweeping defender role. A few of those mids can rest forward, obviously Martin, Caddy as medium forwards, Graham has rested well there, Edwards, Cotchin and Bolton can rest as smalls, Higgins more a small fwd first then a midfielder second. Chol showed he can play forward too, even Nank can rest there.
Short and George are the guys forced out. I still have the best of Rioli ahead of the other smalls like George, Aarts...

Thoughts?

 

[Vassp]

FB: Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
HB: Houli, Balta, Short
C: Stack, Cotchin, Pickett
HF: Lambert, Riewoldt, Edwards
FF: Martin, Lynch, Aarts
R: Nankervis, Bolton, Prestia
I: Chol, Macintosh, Baker, Broad
em.....George, Markov, Soldo,

 

[Marcel Proust]

Grimes. Broad. Vlastuin.
Baker. Astbury. Houli.
Pickett. Cotchin. Balta.
Edwards. Riewoldt. Lambert.
Chol. Lynch. Aarts/MRJ
Nank/Ccj/Soldo. Martin. Bolton.
Prestia. Short. Stack. George.

apologies marcel, pickett not up to it,id rather aarts,houli ...hmm?? jurys out but hes earnt a shot,mcintosh for caddy,higgins and egg to fight for last spot
or if castagna starts choking against top teams maybe higgins in there...ross,graham,stack,pickett,soldo not suited to afl version 2020 and thats what counts right now and next 9-11 weeks and others have gone past them,thats what happens in a blink

Higgins and eggy still have a long way to go...

 

[Marcel Proust]

FB: Grimes, Astbury, Vlastuin
HB: Houli, Balta, Short
C: Stack, Cotchin, Pickett
HF: Lambert, Riewoldt, Edwards
FF: Martin, Lynch, Aarts
R: Nankervis, Bolton, Prestia
I: Chol, Macintosh, Baker, Broad
em.....George, Markov, Soldo,

Macca is quite lucky

 

[Vassp]

Macca is quite lucky

need a mature body in there....
ross could replace him and so could george.

but ultimately egg needs to toughen up around the contest otherwise I would put him in because we need the ball movement he provides.

 

[_RT_]

B: Grimes Astbury Broad
HB: Houli Balta Vlastuin
C: McIntosh Prestia Baker
HF: Cotchin Lynch Caddy
F: Martin Riewoldt Aarts
R: Nankervis Edwards Bolton
INT: Lambert Short Chol Castagna