Phantom Draft Zookotas 2018 Phantom Draft

[BigDavo]

Somebody on Suns board attend GC meeting and ask about this year draft , Craig Cameron said going in with 5 top 30 pick and guess what GC end up maitaining pick 2,3 ,6,24,29 after player trade period .

Yeah and i bet they wont keep them all. port said they will come hunting the sa boys. you will waist your picks and end up with zero, your club is a basket case no one wants to go there.

 

[HARKER]

I feel like if Blues fans want this 1 for 2+3 trade so much that it should give you a strong indication that it's a bad deal for GC and you're being biased.

I think Carlton fans are just semi shitting themselves seeing they have so many list spots and only 1 pick in the top 60 of this draft.

Not at all and Carlton have 36 main-list spots filled already which means they only really need another two to fill the quota.
That won't happen though, as most likely they take Walsh, BSilvagni & Hickmott in the ND and then 3 rookies in the RD.
Throw in one DFA and the list is full.

 

[dlb99]

I feel like if Blues fans want this 1 for 2+3 trade so much that it should give you a strong indication that it's a bad deal for GC and you're being biased.

I think Carlton fans are just semi shitting themselves seeing they have so many list spots and only 1 pick in the top 60 of this draft.

Some Blues fans absolutely want to trade out of 1.

But, just as many would prefer to stay as is.

It boils down to whether they like Sam Walsh or not. If they are in the no category they then spend much time cooking about pick trade scenarios usually involving the Suns that nets 2 top 6 picks for pick 1. It is unrealistic especially since the Suns changed list manager earlier this year, Craig Cameron is now the boss and he ain't a fool.

Word from some of those who are in the know is that pick 1 is staying and they we are taking Sam Walsh (the Walsh family has been informed of such).

As for the last point, we loaded up on kids in the past 3 drafts, if anything we have too many. Adding only 1 top 60 kid is fine with the list profile we have.

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Alright so when you say and that's why GC are taking both Lukosius and Rozee is because they are mates? What makes you think its a done deal, because the media are spouting it all over? Yeah they are friends I understand, but do we know they are both committed to move state together at GC and fully commit to them the rest of their careers without getting homesick or moving back to SA? That's the question for me and why I don't have either going to GC.

BigFooty, Afl.com, Herald Sun, a mate who has worked at Gold Coast says that they are looking for the best security as well as ability. And plus, who is the best Queensland talent in this group. I bet you that none of them go first-round. The highest would be McFayden (Brisbane academy projected 20-40)

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Some Blues fans absolutely want to trade out of 1.

But, just as many would prefer to stay as is.

It boils down to whether they like Sam Walsh or not. If they are in the no category they then spend much time cooking about pick trade scenarios usually involving the Suns that nets 2 top 6 picks for pick 1. It is unrealistic especially since the Suns changed list manager earlier this year, Craig Cameron is now the boss and he ain't a fool.

Word from some of those who are in the know is that pick 1 is staying and they we are taking Sam Walsh (the Walsh family has been informed of such).

As for the last point, we loaded up on kids in the past 3 drafts, if anything we have too many. Adding only 1 top 60 kid is fine with the list profile we have.

We will pick up two father sons expecting to go lower than 50, Silvagni and Hickmott, and are expected to sign a delisted free agent

 

[Kickasss]

We will pick up two father sons expecting to go lower than 50, Silvagni and Hickmott, and are expected to sign a delisted free agent

Look at all the carlton no it all fans/ i have a friend here and a friend there who tells me what carlton are drafting . you talk crap tyr.. you dont know who carlton will take. one thing is if sos gets this No one pick wrong it will haunt him for the rest of his list mang life. look how all the carlton fans and journalist couldt wait to put the boots in weitering for having bad form. you guys cant even draft good player with ur first picks. go gws carlton.

 

[Bennie the Nurse]

BigFooty, Afl.com, Herald Sun, a mate who has worked at Gold Coast says that they are looking for the best security as well as ability. And plus, who is the best Queensland talent in this group. I bet you that none of them go first-round. The highest would be McFayden (Brisbane academy projected 20-40)

Security ???… why does drafting 2 South Australians give security better than say ....... 2 Victorians ??… Given that Gold Coast has drafted no KPPs in the last 3 years but have lost Dixon, May and Lynch .... is there something wrong with drafting the King Twins from Victoria. Lukosius whilst being 6’4” is more a Gunston shape than a true KPF and Rozee/Rankine are outside midfielders.
So........ if you draft for “security” and needs the Victorian Twins fill the needs truly.

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Security ???… why does drafting 2 South Australians give security better than say ....... 2 Victorians ??… Given that Gold Coast has drafted no KPPs in the last 3 years but have lost Dixon, May and Lynch .... is there something wrong with drafting the King Twins from Victoria. Lukosius whilst being 6’4” is more a Gunston shape than a true KPF and Rozee/Rankine are outside midfielders.
So........ if you draft for “security” and needs the Victorian Twins to fill the needs truly.

This is speculative, but Lukosius is voted by many to be the best player in the draft pool. Best available is the most common strategy with top-10 picks

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Look at all the carlton no it all fans/ i have a friend here and a friend there who tells me what carlton are drafting . you talk crap tyr.. you dont know who carlton will take. one thing is if sos gets this No one pick wrong it will haunt him for the rest of his list mang life. look how all the carlton fans and journalist couldt wait to put the boots in weitering for having bad form. you guys cant even draft good player with ur first picks. go gws carlton.

Look at our past of F/S selections under SOS, even though it is only two, his son and McKay, it shows that Carlton are loyal to the families who have passed through. Hickmott and B Silvagni will go late enough in the draft to be picked up with our late picks, and we are shown a glimpse of Silvagni's strategy to do this, by looking to trade for future picks, and with current picks, which is why we are left with what we have

 

[BigDavo]

Some Blues fans absolutely want to trade out of 1.

But, just as many would prefer to stay as is.

It boils down to whether they like Sam Walsh or not. If they are in the no category they then spend much time cooking about pick trade scenarios usually involving the Suns that nets 2 top 6 picks for pick 1. It is unrealistic especially since the Suns changed list manager earlier this year, Craig Cameron is now the boss and he ain't a fool.

Word from some of those who are in the know is that pick 1 is staying and they we are taking Sam Walsh (the Walsh family has been informed of such).

As for the last point, we loaded up on kids in the past 3 drafts, if anything we have too many. Adding only 1 top 60 kid is fine with the list profile we have.

True Cameron is not a fool. but he did say on nab trade radio that they like the two pick

Look at our past of F/S selections under SOS, even though it is only two, his son and McKay, it shows that Carlton are loyal to the families who have passed through. Hickmott and B Silvagni will go late enough in the draft to be picked up with our late picks, and we are shown a glimpse of Silvagni's strategy to do this, by looking to trade for future picks, and with current picks, which is why we are left with what we have

Jack Silvagni is one of the worst players i have seen for a long time and now you gunna draft another one. thay played him over Mckay and i must say Mckay is a gun could not get a game. if that how you guys run your footy club you guys will be woden spooners for years to come.

 

[zookota123]

Some Blues fans absolutely want to trade out of 1.

But, just as many would prefer to stay as is.

It boils down to whether they like Sam Walsh or not. If they are in the no category they then spend much time cooking about pick trade scenarios usually involving the Suns that nets 2 top 6 picks for pick 1. It is unrealistic especially since the Suns changed list manager earlier this year, Craig Cameron is now the boss and he ain't a fool.

Word from some of those who are in the know is that pick 1 is staying and they we are taking Sam Walsh (the Walsh family has been informed of such).

As for the last point, we loaded up on kids in the past 3 drafts, if anything we have too many. Adding only 1 top 60 kid is fine with the list profile we have.

I agree with you on the point that some Carlton fans do think unrealistic with GC just trading Pick 2+3 or 2+ 6 or 3 and 6 just for pick 1. I do think GC would want more midfielders and try and gun for pick 1 to get Sam Walsh, but giving two picks for Pick 1 is way too much and they aren't in the position for that with the club going for a fresh rebuild and horrible reviews from people saying how poor the club is.

Look at our past of F/S selections under SOS, even though it is only two, his son and McKay, it shows that Carlton are loyal to the families who have passed through. Hickmott and B Silvagni will go late enough in the draft to be picked up with our late picks, and we are shown a glimpse of Silvagni's strategy to do this, by looking to trade for future picks, and with current picks, which is why we are left with what we have

Harry Mckay isn't a father and son pick Tyruddanaught. I know you are talking about Andrew McKay who played for Carlton, but Harry isnt his son. Andrews son Charlie is the one who will be the father and son pick in a few years.

 

[dlb99]

I agree with you on the point that some Carlton fans do think unrealistic with GC just trading Pick 2+3 or 2+ 6 or 3 and 6 just for pick 1. I do think GC would want more midfielders and try and gun for pick 1 to get Sam Walsh, but giving two picks for Pick 1 is way too much and they aren't in the position for that with the club going for a fresh rebuild and horrible reviews from people saying how poor the club is.

Agreed.

The AFL would kibosh it via some means if the Gold Coast foolishly did it; but the Suns won't do it. Picks 2, 3 and 6, in a strong draft, is a great starting point to rebuild the Suns franchise.

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Jack Silvagni is one of the worst players i have seen for a long time and now you gunna draft another one. thay played him over Mckay and i must say Mckay is a gun could not get a game. if that how you guys run your footy club you guys will be woden spooners for years to come.

I will not deny that Silvagni played when McKay should've played, but Silvagni spent the majority of the season in defence, and also a large portion in the midfield

 

[Mitchell54]

Should note that Sydney will use picks 26 & 33 on Blakey. Not 38, 39 & 40

 

[getgaff]

Welcome back Zook, always interested in your thoughts and you've gone against the grain already from pick 1 with Carlton and GC orchestrating a possible trade for it.

Regarding West Coast you get a big tick from me with Durrsma and Smith. Don't think I'd be able to contain my excitement if we landed those two.

Like you seem to be I'm big on Smith to West Coast at the Lycett compensation pick. Big body who tested exceptionally well for his size at the Combine.

With only 2 picks inside the first 3 rounds West Coast need to nail those two picks in the top 25 - 30 (depending on Academy and F/S bids) and I think the recruiting strategy of two mids ideally one inside / one outside or an inside with burst of speed and endurance is the way to go.

 

[rainwizard39]

Yep give up 10 and 5 just to move up 1 spot. Can we all just give this person a clap for grade A realism? While Port are at it you should of had them trading 15 in that trade just to be safe.

Port have just enough list spots for those 3 picks suppose Port just trade a future 1st for a 3rd rounded.

The analysis and in depth info is fine, but man the live trading just went off the rails.

 

[zookota123]

Should note that Sydney will use picks 26 & 33 on Blakey. Not 38, 39 & 40

Thanks for the reminder Mitchell54. Yeah I wrote all of this on my notes and posted all this after a long day of work. 26 and 33 were suppose to be picks bidded on Blakey hence why I didnt use Sydneys pick 26 in my draft. Just silly enough to keep the old notes of 38,39,40. In regards to Sydneys picks Kennerly (outside mid) will go as pick 40 to Syd with 41 being Tom Sparrow (inside mid) and 42 going to Ben Jarvis (medium forward)

Welcome back Zook, always interested in your thoughts and you've gone against the grain already from pick 1 with Carlton and GC orchestrating a possible trade for it.

Regarding West Coast you get a big tick from me with Durrsma and Smith. Don't think I'd be able to contain my excitement if we landed those two.

Like you seem to be I'm big on Smith to West Coast at the Lycett compensation pick. Big body who tested exceptionally well for his size at the Combine.

With only 2 picks inside the first 3 rounds West Coast need to nail those two picks in the top 25 - 30 (depending on Academy and F/S bids) and I think the recruiting strategy of two mids ideally one inside / one outside or an inside with burst of speed and endurance is the way to go.

Thanks Gaff, good to hear from you mate and the lovely words. Yeah I think losing Parto (loved him) and Karpany I wouldn't mind WCE drafting another inside mid and some versatility form Duursma.

Yep give up 10 and 5 just to move up 1 spot. Can we all just give this person a clap for grade A realism? While Port are at it you should of had them trading 15 in that trade just to be safe.

Port have just enough list spots for those 3 picks suppose Port just trade a future 1st for a 3rd rounded.

The analysis and in depth info is fine, but man the live trading just went off the rails.

Thanks mate, all replies are welcome even ones like this. If you read and understood my whole draft I explain with the scenario that if Lukosius or Rankine is available at Pick 4 I am sure Port Adelaide would do anything to get Lukosius and don't just think you will get it easy for pick 4. I mean you could do pick 5 and 15 for pick 4 and St Kildas next pick which is 36 but would probably be 39+ with all the bids to come. I don't rate the depth later on in this draft nor do I think other teams do hence why in trade week everyone was trading this years picks for other players in teams. Each opinion to their own but I think I gave all my live trading a fair analysis and explanation and not off the rails. You just got to read everything to understand.

 

[BigDavo]

Some Blues fans absolutely want to trade out of 1.

But, just as many would prefer to stay as is.

It boils down to whether they like Sam Walsh or not. If they are in the no category they then spend much time cooking about pick trade scenarios usually involving the Suns that nets 2 top 6 picks for pick 1. It is unrealistic especially since the Suns changed list manager earlier this year, Craig Cameron is now the boss and he ain't a fool.

Word from some of those who are in the know is that pick 1 is staying and they we are taking Sam Walsh (the Walsh family has been informed of such).

As for the last point, we loaded up on kids in the past 3 drafts, if anything we have too many. Adding only 1 top 60 kid is fine with the list profile we have.

funny thing is that Walsh is a mad crazy Brisbane supporter. he was keeping a close eye on the ladder. Carlton pick him with pick 1 two years later he wants to go home team, not state but team. that would be the biggest laugh on carlton in footbal history.

 

[dlb99]

funny thing is that Walsh is a mad crazy Brisbane supporter. he was keeping a close eye on the ladder. Carlton pick him with pick 1 two years later he wants to go home team, not state but team. that would be the biggest laugh on carlton in footbal history.

We better tell SOS not to draft him then. Thanks for the heads up

 

[blueiris]

funny thing is that Walsh is a mad crazy Brisbane supporter. he was keeping a close eye on the ladder. Carlton pick him with pick 1 two years later he wants to go home team, not state but team. that would be the biggest laugh on carlton in footbal history.

Both Stephenson and Oliver were life long Lions supporters didn't stop them from signing longtime contracts at They're clubs I honestly doubt Carlton will have any trouble with Walsh

 

[Daniel McL]

zookota123 is Ian Hill a flight risk?

If he is I’m not sure the Cats would go after him just with Kelly very likely to leave at the end of 2019 to go back to WA. They might be worried about something similar with Ian Hill?

 

[zookota123]

zookota123 is Ian Hill a flight risk?

If he is I’m not sure the Cats would go after him just with Kelly very likely to leave at the end of 2019 to go back to WA. They might be worried about something similar with Ian Hill?

I personally don’t think Ian is a flight risk. He is definitely a type of player Stephen Wells would be interested in and with the diversity that the Geelong football club has should make Ian feel more comfortable if drafted to Geelong. I did watch his Tomorrows Heroes interview where he would love to play against his cousins the Hill brothers, but you could also tell he feels more comfortable with them. If Ian is honest with the clubs who interview him about commitment and leaving home if that is a topic ( I’m sure it would knowing most family is in WA and his cousins playing for Fremantle) than I see him being a nice fit at Geelong. If not I wouldn’t be surprised seeing him slip to one of WCE picks in the second round as they lost Mark Lecras and they could use some speed and classiness in the half forward line. If Hill doesn’t go Geelong I’d say next best bet if this kid is available would be Stocker to Geelong, but I am staying with Hill to Geelong.

funny thing is that Walsh is a mad crazy Brisbane supporter. he was keeping a close eye on the ladder. Carlton pick him with pick 1 two years later he wants to go home team, not state but team. that would be the biggest laugh on carlton in footbal history.

If Carlton does draft Sam Walsh I don’t think he would want to leave in two years time just because he is not in the team he supports. Carlton has a great young culture that anyone can fit into and I am sure if Walsh gets chosen as pick 1 to Carlton he would fit right in and love it.

 

[Footywizard]

I see you rate Bailey scott pretty high. Tbh I didn't know too much about him untill he nominated us. Iv since watched his highlights, seems a pretty solid kid. Does most things well without being elite.
Looks a good get for north

 

[Crow till I die]

Yep give up 10 and 5 just to move up 1 spot. Can we all just give this person a clap for grade A realism? While Port are at it you should of had them trading 15 in that trade just to be safe.

Port have just enough list spots for those 3 picks suppose Port just trade a future 1st for a 3rd rounded.

The analysis and in depth info is fine, but man the live trading just went off the rails.

Isn't the number of minimum picks to be used in any one draft 3. Not even sure you can go to the draft with 2 picks, although having said that if port did trade up 2 x 1st rounders, don't they have the obligatory late late picks ie around 80 + they can still use?

 

[zookota123]

I see you rate Bailey scott pretty high. Tbh I didn't know too much about him untill he nominated us. Iv since watched his highlights, seems a pretty solid kid. Does most things well without being elite.
Looks a good get for north

Yeah Footywizard I rate Bailey Scott highly. Surprises me there isn't much talk about him just because he will be a father/son pick. Just needs to put more weight on which shouldn't be an issue but I think he will turn out to be a very great player and a possible leader for North Melbourne in the future.

Isn't the number of minimum picks to be used in any one draft 3. Not even sure you can go to the draft with 2 picks, although having said that if port did trade up 2 x 1st rounders, don't they have the obligatory late late picks ie around 80 + they can still use?

I am pretty sure the minimum is two picks since back in 2016 Melbourne drafted two picks with Hannan and Johnstone.