2nds West Coast Eagles WAFL Watch

[Barrybran]

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[Monocle]

Jamieson’s stats look like he had a good game, for a big in wet weather?

I think what we saw in Jamieson tonight, shows that his exposure and games at the next level (AFL), have improved him greatly.

He is growing as a player and while most of us want the finished product right now ... pronto.... thats probably very unrealistic.
Talls take longer to develop and even more so, if they are still growing, which weight wise Jamo is.

The very fact that he is improving and growing as a player each week, is why I was very happy that we gave him an extended contract.

Now I am by no means saying, that I think he will make it long term, thats still very much a question that is far from answered right now, but what I will say, is that whenever we have players, particularly talls, that are improving each week and getting better before our eyes, I am happy to invest time into them.

Remember a young Gov and many thought in his early days that he was a bust, sometimes a bit of patience in a young developing player is needed.

We need to remind ourselves that 21 years of age, for a KPP or ruck, is very much still "puppy age" and as such, thus far puppy training is going well, he is a fast learner and responding well, more to the point he is getting better week after week, but he is still very much learning his craft.

 

[bUCKET__]

.....the good WAFL players like Fisher, Bolton, Keitel, Florenca, Strom, Black, Rogers, Schloithe etc keep getting ignored by WCE at the various drafts each year.....

oh man we'd be killing it if we didn't just draft West and Clark the last couple of years, Beagles would be a WAFL powerhouse right

 

[MrWoollie]

The stadium sounds like it’s going to fall apart when the wind blows and you’re in the coaches box.

I think the grandstands at Leederville, Lathlain and (East) Perth ovals were all build around the time of the Commonwealth Games (1962).

 

[Freezin]

oh man we'd be killing it if we didn't just draft West and Clark the last couple of years, Beagles would be a WAFL powerhouse right

Drafting is a fine line and hindsight is always the best sight....but pretty sure for WCE to get that strong WAFL team they seek, perhaps drafting established WAFL players instead of speculative short term picks in Riach, Cameron, Collins, Johnson, Ainsworth etc over the last 2-3 years they could of stocked up on ready to go sorts.....surely very late draft picks, some rookie and MSD picks are there for that reason....those sorts can do a job if needed at the elite level and drive the standards at the WAFL level when playing there on and off the park....do the WCER top ups even get to train with the AFL squad to create any form of inclusiveness....build that bond for the jumper?

 

[Godfather32]

Drafting is a fine line and hindsight is always the best sight....but pretty sure for WCE to get that strong WAFL team they seek, perhaps drafting established WAFL players instead of speculative short term picks in Riach, Cameron, Collins, Johnson, Ainsworth etc over the last 2-3 years they could of stocked up on ready to go sorts.....surely very late draft picks, some rookie and MSD picks are there for that reason....those sorts can do a job if needed at the elite level and drive the standards at the WAFL level when playing there on and off the park....do the WCER top ups even get to train with the AFL squad to create any form of inclusiveness....build that bond for the jumper?

Riach was a category B rookie pick, Cameron was well worth it - he could have been a great small forward if he'd worked out, Johnson was worth a shot considering he was touted as having a great kick on him, Ainsworth is a decent WAFL mid.
The rookie draft is where we should be taking the risky speculative picks, not where we should be drafting WAFL grade mature bodies for our WAFL team.
Our team this year was not supposed to exist, so we lost the senior guys we had around the team to other WAFL teams, then the whole list got decimated by injuries/covid. We should 100% not be drafting with our WAFL team in mind, we'll end up with even more list cloggers than ever.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Drafting is a fine line and hindsight is always the best sight....but pretty sure for WCE to get that strong WAFL team they seek, perhaps drafting established WAFL players instead of speculative short term picks in Riach, Cameron, Collins, Johnson, Ainsworth etc over the last 2-3 years they could of stocked up on ready to go sorts.....surely very late draft picks, some rookie and MSD picks are there for that reason....those sorts can do a job if needed at the elite level and drive the standards at the WAFL level when playing there on and off the park....do the WCER top ups even get to train with the AFL squad to create any form of inclusiveness....build that bond for the jumper?

Nobody drafts with their reserves team in mind.

 

[Freezin]

Nobody drafts with their reserves team in mind.

Yeah maybe, but when WCE reserves team doesn't even have a reserves team or a local area to get players from, then perhaps WCE should then. Build up a core of mature guys, who can fill an AFL role if injuries kick in, but aren't necessarily best 22 for the AFL team eg Florenca, Black and Mountfort have done as top ups..but dominate at WAFL level.

I am not saying WCE should have 10 of them, just 5 or so to help the development of your youngsters finding their feet at the WAFL level. Considering the amount of wasted rookie picks WCE have had over the last 5 years...Bayok, Burrows, Olango, Treacy, Reid, Collins, Brophy, Gorter etc, most aren't even playing WAFL now or any other state league...just think with no aligned club to utilize their existing playing stocks, WCE need to think differently perhaps

 

[kane249]

Yeah maybe, but when WCE reserves team doesn't even have a reserves team or a local area to get players from, then perhaps WCE should then. Build up a core of mature guys, who can fill an AFL role if injuries kick in, but aren't necessarily best 22 for the AFL team eg Florenca, Black and Mountfort have done as top ups..but dominate at WAFL level.

I am not saying WCE should have 10 of them, just 5 or so to help the development of your youngsters finding their feet at the WAFL level. Considering the amount of wasted rookie picks WCE have had over the last 5 years...Bayok, Burrows, Olango, Treacy, Reid, Collins, Brophy, Gorter etc, most aren't even playing WAFL now or any other state league...just think with no aligned club to utilize their existing playing stocks, WCE need to think differently perhaps

So we hobble the AFL team by wasting 5 list spots on people who we know don't have an AFL future? That's not a great strategy either

We had the likes of Fraser McInnes and Brady Grey before to give some more mettle to the WAFL team, but we lost both of them when COVID came around and we had to temporarily shut the Beagles.

Getting senior WAFL players in, not on the AFL list will improve the club. We need to get some of those restrictions lifted on us.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We had Clark, West and Strnadica on the list this year who were all drafted as mature-age WAFL standouts.

Think that’s plenty.

The issue is getting some quality in the actual WAFL squad. As Kane said we had McInnes and Grey in the past. Our only guy with any AFL experience is Pickett who can’t even get in the side. The rest of the squad are guys that struggled to make the senior side at their original club (Sumich, Henderson etc), and a couple of kids that missed out on being drafted (Browne, Young).

 

[WCErevival]

Surprised some ex Eagles wouldn't play for the reserves. Plenty of them kicking around.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Surprised some ex Eagles wouldn't play for the reserves. Plenty of them kicking around.

Didn’t help that the reserves team wasn’t looking like happening until very late in the piece, so guys like Brayshaw went and signed elsewhere.

 

[gsmiths_s]

There is quite a complicated points system in place for those wondering why the Eagles WAFL team doesn't have more experienced ex-AFL or decent WAFL players playing for it.

Recruiting rules finalised for West Coast WAFL team

The West Australian Football Commission, in consultation with the WAFL Clubs and West Coast Eagles, has finalised details regarding Total Player Payments and Players Points allocations for West Coast’s WAFL team in 2019 WAFC Executive Manager Talent and Football Operations Scott Baker said West...

www.wafootball.com.au

''West Coast’s top-up list will include a minimum of 15 players across nine recruitment categories to a maximum value of 60 points under the WAFL’s existing Player Points system''

Recruitment Categories

PLAYER CATEGORY	CAP	POINTS
Former WCE Interstate players	No Restriction	5 points per player
Former AFL Interstate players	No Restriction	10-12 points per player as per WAFL player points system
Father/ Son & NGA	On application	1 point, player on loan
Former WAFL League players	No Restriction	- 24 months after last WAFL game, players are considered 1 point - Value of former AFL players are halved after 24 months - Less than 24 months incurs a points value as per WAFL player points system
Interstate State League players	No Restriction	10 points per League player as per WAFL player points system 5 points for Reserves and Colts 1 point for interstate Community players
41 – 55 WAFL Listed players	Cap of up to 2 players per WAFL club	1-10 points as per WAFL player points system
WCE WA Delisted AFL players	No access to players 6yrs or less. Cap of 1 player per WAFL Club	1-12 points as per WAFL player points system
Loan system for WAFL players	Max of 1 player per club.	1 point, player on loan
Supplementary Listed players	No Restriction	1-12 points as per WAFL player points system

 

[Freezin]

So we hobble the AFL team by wasting 5 list spots on people who we know don't have an AFL future? That's not a great strategy either

We had the likes of Fraser McInnes and Brady Grey before to give some more mettle to the WAFL team, but we lost both of them when COVID came around and we had to temporarily shut the Beagles.

Getting senior WAFL players in, not on the AFL list will improve the club. We need to get some of those restrictions lifted on us.

But WCE hobbled their list anyway by wasting picks on the likes of those failed speculative rookie picks I highlighted.

Yep got no probs with WCE getting those restrictions lifted, but then WCER, like all the other WAFL clubs will have to adhere to a points and salary cap then.

Wouldn't blame any senior WAFL player jumping ship to WCER for 50 - 60K a year to commit semi professionally to play footy....that sort of money to WCE is pocket money......but to a WAFL club is huge bucks to spend on one or two players.....

Just seems ironic a big spending professional footy club expecting a semi professional league to play fair when it joins their comp.....it's not as though the WCE fans head out and support the WAFL by attending games to see WCER play.....

 

[Goroyals22]

Surprised some ex Eagles wouldn't play for the reserves. Plenty of them kicking around.

Unless you get a cushy club job like brayshaw or brady grey why would you want to play for a club thats just sacked you and has no interest in actually winning anything with that side…

You wouldn’t waste your time or career.

 

[Ochre]

Just seems ironic a big spending professional footy club expecting a semi professional league to play fair when it joins their comp.....it's not as though the WCE fans head out and support the WAFL by attending games to see WCER play.....

According to the West there were more people at the WCE game yesterday than at the East Freo home game yesterday. Would be nice to see East Freo fans stop letting the rest of the competition down.

 

[boondy]

The WAFL should be ashamed of itself the way it has treated the Beagles . Considering the money Westcoast has pumped into it the talent that leaves W A. Dont kick our B team it's not their fault

 

[Freezin]

According to the West there were more people at the WCE game yesterday than at the East Freo home game yesterday. Would be nice to see East Freo fans stop letting the rest of the competition down.

The West work for WCE, of course they are going to say that....I guess all those EF fans went to see all those ex EF boys running around for WCER instead.....

 

[Truckosaurus]

The same West that called for a WAFC intervention into the club two months ago? That West works for the Eagles?

 

[WCErevival]

Unless you get a cushy club job like brayshaw or brady grey why would you want to play for a club thats just sacked you and has no interest in actually winning anything with that side…

You wouldn’t waste your time or career.

You probably dont have much of a footy career left at that stage. It would be more of a hobby/supplementary income. I'm referring more to the retired guys or like in Brayshaws case, delistees that left on good terms and possibly still work for the club in some capacity. It would probably help them career wise to still be around the club.

 

[Winky]

The West work for WCE, of course they are going to say that....I guess all those EF fans went to see all those ex EF boys running around for WCER instead.....

If you were borderline off the subject you've just confirmed it

 

[Freezin]

If you were borderline off the subject you've just confirmed it

I think I got distracted when one of your buddies said "According to the West....."

Fingers crossed WCER get help, because kicking 0 goals till 3/4 time on a good track, is not a good look for the WAFL or the WCER.....more so when a WAFL player kicks 4 goals on a 100 game AFL player.....and that last bit was according to the West too.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I think I got distracted when one of your buddies said "According to the West....."

Fingers crossed WCER get help, because kicking 0 goals till 3/4 time on a good track, is not a good look for the WAFL or the WCER.....more so when a WAFL player kicks 4 goals on a 100 game AFL player.....and that last bit was according to the West too.

Wait…on a good track? Did you see the conditions on Saturday?

 

[the harry]

I think I got distracted when one of your buddies said "According to the West....."

Fingers crossed WCER get help, because kicking 0 goals till 3/4 time on a good track, is not a good look for the WAFL or the WCER.....more so when a WAFL player kicks 4 goals on a 100 game AFL player.....and that last bit was according to the West too.

Suspect some certainty around the existence of WCER would assist the players they attract. We've seen this year when we have a moderately healthy list we can be competitive in the reserves.

As for 4 goals on a 100 gamer, that's a long way down the list of issues. Good players still get beaten if those around them continually let them down.

 

[Freezin]

Wait…on a good track? Did you see the conditions on Saturday?

WCER played on Sunday.

oops.....Saturday

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

WCER played on Sunday.

No they didn’t.

Honestly, not sure why you’re hanging around here but you could at least try to make statements that have some relation to reality.