List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[doggiesin08]

In your first post you said it was ‘the Dogs’ making a play not some random poster on an online forum. You’ve walked that back a long way.

The Dogs are rumoured to be making a play.

The “cheapskate proposal is to try and get the AFL to pay for him through free agency compensation” is a random fan.

I’m not sure anything is needing to be walked back to identify that pretty clear distinction.

 

[Chump Change]

Elite Mid​	#​
Laird​	​ 86​
Steele​	​ 24​
Neale​	​ 58​
Miller​	​ 29​
Dunkley​	​ 25​
Merrett​	​ 26​
Cripps​	​ 13​
Keays​	​ 25​
Viney​	​ 26​
Parker​	​ 40​
Guthrie​	​ 23​

Unsure what you point is? Maybe someone else said that you can't find elite mids outside the top 5 because I sure as shit have never said that.

 

[Obeanie1]

FWIW the post on the dogs board isn’t about the Duggan/Free Agent hypothetical, the supposed ITK info is it would be dogs first + whatever they get for Dunkley, which they think is Port’s first. There’s no way it actually happens but 2 x top 10 picks would make us think.

Plus they are signing Liam Jones.

They obviously think their kp defense is a seriously problem to spend so much fixing it.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

No way will the Suns let you bend them over in a trade again.

What you’re essentially trading is pick 4, 14 and 44, for picks 4 and 25. Yeah, that seems fair. Not.

Who else is going to sell them a future first?

 

[Obeanie1]

All this talk of trading barass and Duggan. You can’t trade a player against their will! Both are seen as leaders at the club, barass is a wa boy. They will have no interest in moving (unless the new club would bump their pay to crazy levels and that’s not happening) and we’d have no interest in upsetting them by asking.

That's it. Barrass Ive heard is a WA lad who is a bit more laid back and loves WA. He's on great money why would he move?

Duggan is a Vic boy at least but also seems happy and invested.

 

[ronpingwins]

Plus they are signing Liam Jones.

They obviously think their kp defense is a seriously problem tospend so much fixting it.

Alex Keath dropped again today too. Sounds like he’s cooked

 

[dinnaz]

Unsure what you point is? Maybe someone else said that you can't find elite mids outside the top 5 because I sure as s**t have never said that.

Just saying there's a 50% chance to get a top 30 in the comp midfielder from a top 10 pick.

How come key defenders don't dominate the top 5 draft picks every year?

Because they are much rarer to find. There's regularly 1 KPD taken top 5.

Considering 2 Key Defenders per team = 36 playing Key Defenders
Midfielders 5-6 per team = 100 Midfielders
Id assume that on average you'd get 3x as many midfielders drafted as Key defs in all positions.

 

[Chump Change]

Just saying there's a 50% chance to get a top 30 in the comp midfielder from a top 10 pick.

Isn't that what I've been saying?

Because they are much rarer to find. There's regularly 1 KPD taken top 5.

Considering 2 Key Defenders per team = 36 playing Key Defenders
Midfielders 5-6 per team = 100 Midfielders
Id assume that on average you'd get 3x as many midfielders drafted as Key defs in all positions.

If KPDs were rare and more important to winning flags then people would be drafting them with top 5 picks all the time. Regardless of how many mids are in the draft.

You've taken a really bad position on this.

 

[Bacchus]

The Dogs are rumoured to be making a play.

The “cheapskate proposal is to try and get the AFL to pay for him through free agency compensation” is a random fan.

I’m not sure anything is needing to be walked back to identify that pretty clear distinction.

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

Perhaps you need to re read your original post.
The distinction between the Dogs and a random poster is neither noted nor clear.
Random poster not mentioned in the original post.
Oh I see, you are the random poster and inserting your own idea/proposal. Still it’s not clear.
Why are the Dogs trying to get a player who just signed a five year contract? Isn’t there @ bit of an ethical issue here?

 

[bUCKET__]

Would anyone feel up to having a go at summarising the last 50 pages in 100 words or less for me? Cheers

 

[Chump Change]

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I can do it in four;

Is not
Is too

 

[Godfather32]

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Bulldogs fans are numpties

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Some people would trade Barrass for the right price, others wouldn’t. Barrass wouldn’t leave but he might for good reasons. Some posters are idiots and some aren’t. We are shit.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Elite Mid​	#​
Laird​	​ 86​
Steele​	​ 24​
Neale​	​ 58​
Miller​	​ 29​
Dunkley​	​ 25​
Merrett​	​ 26​
Cripps​	​ 13​
Keays​	​ 25​
Viney​	​ 26​
Parker​	​ 40​
Guthrie​	​ 23​

Walsh? Parish? Daicos? Andrew Brayshaw? Dustin Martin? Oliver? Petracca? Boak? Bontempelli?

 

[dinnaz]

Isn't that what I've been saying?

If KPDs were rare and more important to winning flags then people would be drafting them with top 5 picks all the time. Regardless of how many mids are in the draft.

You've taken a really bad position on this.

Good ones are. It's just there isnt many going around.

Melbourne aren't good because their midfield gets 5% more possessions than the competitions average. They are on top because of their fantastic defensive setup.

Melbourne 2021 May & Lever with Petty. (+Gawn)
West Coast 2018 -> McGovern & Barass with Schofield
Richmond Rance, Grimes with Astbury (+Vlastuin)
Hawthorn Lake & Gibson with Stratton & Frawley
In the last decade only one team has won a GF with a poor defensive setup- The dogs in 2016 which was an absolute fluke and the lack of a good defensive setup is why they have a very up and down performance from year to year.

 

[doggiesin08]

Perhaps you need to re read your original post.
The distinction between the Dogs and a random poster is neither noted nor clear.
Random poster not mentioned in the original post.
Oh I see, you are the random poster and inserting your own idea/proposal. Still it’s not clear.
Why are the Dogs trying to get a player who just signed a five year contract? Isn’t there @ bit of an ethical issue here?

Nothing in that post suggests my proposal is the proposal of the club. The post noted the apparent play was unrealistic and was stated very clearly as “how opposed would you be” not “this is the clubs positions”.

If you were genuinely confused that my question was the position of the club and they had decided to run it up the flagpole on BigFooty then I’m sorry I can’t help you. Do you assume every poster is a club official unless they declare otherwise?

Why is chasing players under contract an ethical issue? Every club does it - didn’t your club chase Tim Kelly a year before you go him (I might be wrong)?

 

[eagles rule]

That's it. Barrass Ive heard is a WA lad who is a bit more laid back and loves WA. He's on great money why would he move?

Duggan is a Vic boy at least but also seems happy and invested.

it`s highly unlikely to happen but it`s worth it for the Dogs to at least present a lucrative proposal ..

 

[ArdentEagle]

Would anyone feel up to having a go at summarising the last 50 pages in 100 words or less for me? Cheers

My **** is bigger than yours!

Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush.

 

[Monocle]

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[WCE_phil]

I'm very confident players and clubs can in fact renegotiate a players contract. It wouldn't be because one club doesn't want to pay but because its in everyone's interest (player and both clubs). If you wouldn't want to lose Barrass and Duggan for picks #3 and pick #9 that's fine. If Barrass doesn't want to leave WA that's fine too.


Fair enough. I understand the AFL's propensity to make rules on the run and use their absolute discretion rather than a formula to determine compensation is a big risk. My questioning wasn't whether Barrass would want to do it, just whether Eagles fans would be ok losing Barrass for pick #3 or Barrass + Duggan for pick #3 and pick #9. Looks like mixed responses.

Let's say its this. You can take Barrass, Duggan and Gaff. We take your pick 9 and the two first round picks you get for Dunkley if he goes. We'll even pay half of gaff's salary.

 

[juddy_Like]

Isn't that what I've been saying?

If KPDs were rare and more important to winning flags then people would be drafting them with top 5 picks all the time. Regardless of how many mids are in the draft.

You've taken a really bad position on this.

2015 - Weitering & Francis
2016 - Logue
2017 - Naughton
2018 - Ben King
2019 - McAsey
2020 - DGB
2021 - Darcy

In the last four drafts, there's been a KPD taken in the top 6. Every year there's at least one KPD at the pointy end of the draft including this year.

So yes teams are trying and yes they are rare.

 

[dinnaz]

Walsh? Parish? Daicos? Andrew Brayshaw? Dustin Martin? Oliver? Petracca? Boak? Bontempelli?

Elite Mid	#
Brayshaw	2​
Oliver	4​
Mills	5​
Smith	7​
Macrae	6​
Walsh	1​
McCluggage	3​
Petracca	2​
Bontempelli	4​
Kelly	2​
Parish	5​
Brayshaw	3​
Coniglio	2​
Taranto	2​

*Just for this years top 30
Your top 5 pick is not always better player, but it's a chance to lock a safer player in.

Example being Josh Kelly is a very high level footballer and is consistant every year. But Bontempelli taken a few picks later wasn't as good when drafted. The chances that he would become the better player from what we had seen at that time were there (5%?) but could also bust 5% of the time or just become a solid-good player 90%.
But you could just lock Kelly in 95% chance of being a good-elite player which is why he went at #2.

Honestly we would be spewing if we ended up with a Wines, Brayshaw or Parish level player. Solid but limited.

 

[Keys]

Would anyone feel up to having a go at summarising the last 50 pages in 100 words or less for me? Cheers

 

[juddy_Like]

This Barrass talk has probably gone five pages too long but what's beating obvious bar the lack of young talent is the lack of genuine leadership from the next tier.

Unless we are proposing giving the captaincy to Chesser and Culley ala Trengove and Jack Grimes

Jack Grimes

Age

35

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.1

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.9

4star

MG

309.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.2

4star

, we should be trying to hold onto anyone with an inkling of consistent football skill paired with ability to lead.

 

[eagles rule]

Losing quality mid aged players and leaders isn’t going to rebuild anything. End up being a basket case like NM.

that`s a over reaction but understandable as the suggestion came as a bit of a shock ..