List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Chump Change]

How many elite KPD's are there in the league right now? Maybe 3 or 4? Good luck just trading one in.

It doesn't matter. They're a lot easier to find that an elite mid.

There's more than 3 or 4. May, Taylor, Stewart, Barrass, Gov. Tarrant and Grimes on way out. Dekoning and Weitering on way in. There could be more but I don't really care about KPD's. They're like Meg out of Family Guy.

What did the midfielder say to the KPD?
Go make me a sandwich.

 

[Chump Change]

Danger - pick 10
Selwood - pick 7

That rather dilutes your theory we must retain a top 3 pick as that is where elite midfielders are found

Not at all. I never said at any time that you can't find elite mids outside the top 5. I said, it's much more likely that you find them there. Miller went at 29.

 

[Shueygod]

It doesn't matter. They're a lot easier to find that an elite mid.

There's more than 3 or 4. May, Taylor, Stewart, Barrass, Gov. Tarrant and Grimes on way out. Dekoning and Weitering on way in.

Stewart isn't a KPD, Tarrant hasn't been elite for a long time. Crazy to count De Koning in his first good season.

Realistically that's 4 or 5 at one time that is elite, seems pretty hard to find to me, most teams have 1-2 elite mids.

 

[Chump Change]

Stewart isn't a KPD, Tarrant hasn't been elite for a long time. Crazy to count De Koning in his first good season.

Realistically that's 4 or 5 at one time that is elite, seems pretty hard to find to me, most teams have 1-2 elite mids.

We're sort of getting off point. My point is that elite KPDs are easier to find than elite mids. And as Barrass is in career best form, I'd cash in if pick 3 was offered. If you disagree, address that.

 

[Shueygod]

We're sort of getting off point. My point is that elite KPDs are easier to find than elite mids. And as Barrass is in career best form, I'd cash in if pick 3 was offered. If you disagree, address that.

All depends on your definition of elite, I think elite KPD's are far more rare than elite mids and more important too winning premierships.

 

[Chump Change]

I think elite KPD's are far more rare than elite mids and more important too winning premierships.

You're free to think what you want.

 

[Shueygod]

You're free to think what you want.

My opinions supported statistically and historically, but I feel some one that thinks frequency of elite KPD's is irrelevant to the discussion on which is harder to find doesn't have the football nous to understand.

 

[Chump Change]

My opinions supported statistically and historically, but I feel some one that thinks frequency of elite KPD's is irrelevant to the discussion on which is harder to find doesn't have the football nous to understand.

How come key defenders don't dominate the top 5 draft picks every year?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

All this talk of trading barass and Duggan. You can’t trade a player against their will! Both are seen as leaders at the club, barass is a wa boy. They will have no interest in moving (unless the new club would bump their pay to crazy levels and that’s not happening) and we’d have no interest in upsetting them by asking.

 

[dajesmac]

He’s almost a forgotten man due to injuries but I sincerely hope Luke Edwards is on the list next year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He’s almost a forgotten man due to injuries but I sincerely hope Luke Edwards is on the list next year.

Contracted for two more years.

 

[amazingjoshy]

He’s almost a forgotten man due to injuries but I sincerely hope Luke Edwards is on the list next year.

Yep think he's passed over alot when looking at our younger talent (or lack of). Showed more on the Richmond game last year than nearly any young mid on our list currently (including Culley)

 

[amazingjoshy]

Stewart isn't a KPD, Tarrant hasn't been elite for a long time. Crazy to count De Koning in his first good season.

Realistically that's 4 or 5 at one time that is elite, seems pretty hard to find to me, most teams have 1-2 elite mids.

Not only is Stewart not a KPD, he's nowhere near one of the elite backs in the league. Cats didn't miss a beat when he was out, and then 2nd game back copped a hard tag, barely sighted in the game, and Cats win by 10 goals

Elite seagull in a top team. Would be a scapegoat in a poor side

 

[WCE_Talk]

This is obviously an unpopular opinion but I’d pretty happily take 2 top 10 picks for Barrass if that offer was presented to us… he’s a great player, but we could draft Busslinger to grow with Edwards & Bazzo + make a play for Logue too, we’d also get out of a likely 700-800K 5 year deal and have a lot of salary cap space to chase guys like McDonald, Warner, Bolton etc in 23/24

I don’t see us being good for at least 4 seasons, TB would be 30 then… I feel like we would have to consider cashing in on him considering he’s probably one of the only players we have with genuine value.




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[Carbine Chaos]

Barrass is the captain to lead us out of this muck.

He's probably the only established player we have I wouldn't contemplate trading at all.

 

[Rowan18]

I'm worried about our recruitment team. How did our depth get so bad. Why did we recruit these average players. There's a lot to be said. We should of never been in a position where we have to replace 10-15 players. That's a major disappointment on our recruiting. They have done pretty poorly over the last few years. Time to start getting some quality players in the side

Someone posted it a couple of days ago, showing our first round selections for the last 10 years. We've been a victim of success, a few unfortunate injuries and draft concessions ruining our later picks.

We traded out of the first round in 2015, 2019 and 2020 for Redden, Jetta and Kelly. I haven't seen anything major we've missed as a result of that (Kelly is too early to tell what the drafted players will do).

2018 we won a flag but we'd traded our first rounder for that awesome gold coast trade in 2017 (got us Ryan and Allen).

Venables was an early retirement and Brander was a bust.

If our list had Venables playing as a serviceable HFF, Brander as a successful third tall, Shep on HB and Yeo with functional Groins - we would probably be playing finals. There's our missing depth.

I think our recruiters have done well with what we had (Brander the major miss) but it was always diminishing returns selecting where we did. That will turn around now, as we will be selecting at the top of the draftn

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Barrass is the captain to lead us out of this muck.

He's probably the only established player we have I wouldn't contemplate trading at all.

The heir apparent to the captain's role. We would be looking at more floggings each week without him. Hurn to go soon jeez we will get flogged without those two.

 

[JackOutback]

All this talk of trading barass and Duggan. You can’t trade a player against their will! Both are seen as leaders at the club, barass is a wa boy. They will have no interest in moving (unless the new club would bump their pay to crazy levels and that’s not happening) and we’d have no interest in upsetting them by asking.

Not that I’m in favour of trading Barrass (Duggan, sure), but players play for money and premierships. Many clubs could offer more than us on both fronts. So they could have an interest in moving.

 

[eagles rule]

Apologies for the intrusion to your board …

Apparently Dogs are making a play for Barrass, however unrealistic that may be. How opposed to the below would Eagles fans be:

• Eagles and Barras renegotiate his contract to 1 year deal ending this year and then he becomes a free agent
• Dogs throw a big contract at Barrass so they get band 1 compensation (probably pick #3)

There's little precedent to renegotiated contracts to reduce in duration but there is no reason it couldn't happy other than the AFL making up rules on the run.

If that's not attractive enough I wouldn't be opposed to the Dogs also trading pick #9 (and pick #27) for Liam Duggan

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Liam Duggan

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

with you guys picking up a chunk of his salary - completely unrelated to Barrass of course

It’s a yes from me sadly ,

I don’t like losing Barrass and Duggan for the picks 3 -9 -27 but I can see the benefits of starting a quicker rebuild..Depends on Barrass and Duggan if they would be willing to leave of course ..


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[Bacchus]

It’s a yes from me sadly ,

I don’t like losing Barrass and Duggan for the picks 3 -9 -27 but I can see the benefits of starting a quicker rebuild..Depends on Barrass and Duggan if they would be willing to leave of course ..


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Losing quality mid aged players and leaders isn’t going to rebuild anything. End up being a basket case like NM.

 

[eagles rule]

Losing quality mid aged players and leaders isn’t going to rebuild anything. End up being a basket case like NM.

We have good cover down back with Gov ,Edwards and Bazzo as KPD’s and a heap of hbf players..


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[ArdentEagle]

I'm very confident players and clubs can in fact renegotiate a players contract. It wouldn't be because one club doesn't want to pay but because its in everyone's interest (player and both clubs). If you wouldn't want to lose Barrass and Duggan for picks #3 and pick #9 that's fine. If Barrass doesn't want to leave WA that's fine too.


Fair enough. I understand the AFL's propensity to make rules on the run and use their absolute discretion rather than a formula to determine compensation is a big risk. My questioning wasn't whether Barrass would want to do it, just whether Eagles fans would be ok losing Barrass for pick #3 or Barrass + Duggan for pick #3 and pick #9. Looks like mixed responses.

The only way I'd ever consider trading Barrass would a swap for Naughton perhaps and a sweetener of decent pick upgrade. He's basically untradeable but that that would make things very interesting.

 

[Bacchus]

We have good cover down back with Gov ,Edwards and Bazzo as KPD’s and a heap of hbf players..


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Bazzo is a baby, Gov is an injury prone veteran, and it is debatable whether Edwards is up to AFL. Edwards is not even a solid player atm, and who are the heap of hbf players?

 

[Bacchus]

The only way I'd ever consider trading Barrass would a swap for Naughton perhaps and a sweetener of decent pick upgrade. He's basically untradeable but that that would make things very interesting.

Yes, that would be approaching like for like. Their cheapskate proposal is to try and get the AFL to pay for him through free agency compensation. Too smart by half. They are trying to get a gun player for nothing apart from his wage. Joke.

 

[mattyc75]

So a slightly different flavour to take to the draft

Headlines known to the public:

1. West Coast have fallen off the cliff - it came fast and will likely be at the bottom of the table for a couple of years
2. Lions have 2 father son picks this year and another in 2 years meaning they need points this year
3. Suns have a great load of good picks and high number of points this year with the prospect of losing Rankin and getting pick 4
4. Suns have been keen on Hollands to unite with brother and he is likely to be in the 12 to 18 range.

Brisbane currently have 2,182 points as they hold the following picks
14, 32, 43 and 68
Let me assume they get pick 19 compo for losing McStay and pick 38 for losing Robertson to Eagles
New Lions points equals 3,595
Ashcroft likely to go 1 and Fletcher say 20 meaning they would need 3,130 points. They are covered.

Suns as it stands have 4,101 points and if they lose Rankin and get 4, they have 6,135 points.
Losing Rankin they have picks 4, 8, 26, 31, 35, 44, 53, 67 and 71
They would dearly like to shift 3,000 plus points to 2023

West Coast to sell off their first round pick next year to the Suns. This will probably be in the top 4 for pick 4 this year so should bring in some 2,500 points. In return we get picks 4 (Rankin deal with the Crows), 14 (Suns do a trade with the Lions) and pick 44
In return we give over pick 25 and next years first

We then go to the draft with 2, 4, 14 20 and 44 plus Robertson.
2 = Wardlaw or Phillipou or Sheezel (classiest midfielder)
4 = Busslinger or Cadman (KPP)
14 = Szybkowski or MacKenzie or George or Hewett (inside or balanced midfielder)
20 = Barnett or Hustwaite or Hotton or Gibney (options)
44 = Jones or Broadbent or best available (options)

Yes I know we miss out 2023 but we get three 1st rounders this year and at 20 a very early second

Now if we hold pick 1, then we have an even stronger hand to work with Lions on to avoid the bid at 1 for Ashcroft.

Suns happy with banking very high points for 2023. They also can take Hollands at 8 and do something with some slightly later picks.

No thanks, I'd like a high pick next year in whats supposed to be a strong draft

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