List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[random260]

Look at the monster stats 41 possessions and that's with suns resisting playing him in his preferred position

Are you serious? There's lots of players who can get 30 every week and they're spuds. They're called possession monkeys. The more they get the ball, the more they hurt you.

No I haven't seen it in our team? West, Culley & our youth cant touch the ball. Our oldies also can't touch it

 

[WCE_Talk]

Surely with all the retirements and money freed coming out ARE WE GOING TO LAND A BIG FISH?

If I don't see us land one big fish in the next 4 years I'll be pissed.

By big fish I mean a Chris Judd/Ablett like player. Not like laughable kelly as OK as he is

Seriously
JK retired $$$
Nic Nat retiring soon $$$$
Shuey also gone soon $$$$$
Gaff shipped $$$$$$$$
Darling $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hurn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Redden $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There are zero players or Judd and Abletts caliber in the comp right now, the way some of you act like these types grow on trees is hilarious.

However, I do think we will be in a great position to lure guys like McDonald, Bolton, Warner and so on home


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[Godfather32]

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Look at the monster stats 41 possessions and that's with suns resisting playing him in his preferred position



No I haven't seen it in our team? West, Culley & our youth cant touch the ball. Our oldies also can't touch it

Not much point getting the ball if you just give it straight back to the other team

 

[Chump Change]

No there is not who in our team is a possession monkey? West, Culley & our youth cant touch the ball.

Possession monkey is not a compliment. Tom Mitchell, Matt Rosa, the P-word.

We need a combo of contested players, good decision makers, and outside runners with good disposal skills. Within that there will some who get 30 every week. We don't need players who get a ton of ball and either have poor disposal, poor decision making, or no hurt factor.

 

[Keys]

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Look at the monster stats 41 possessions and that's with suns resisting playing him in his preferred position



No I haven't seen it in our team? West, Culley & our youth cant touch the ball. Our oldies also can't touch it

They’re VFL stats you realise?

Edit : My mistake they are AFL stats from 2021. Apologies

 

[random260]

Possession monkey is not a compliment. Tom Mitchell, Matt Rosa, the P-word.

We need a combo of contested players, good decision makers, and outside runners with good disposal skills. Within that there will some who get 30 every week. We don't need players who get a ton of ball and either have poor disposal, poor decision making, or no hurt factor.

Are you saying we wouldn't want to pick up a 24 year old tom mitch right now?

Not much point getting the ball if you just give it straight back to the other team

He is still very young 24. Out of place in suns. Cheap. Can accumulate like a vacuum. We can teach him how to play our style and handpass.

They’re VFL stats you realise?

Dunno what you are referring to.

 

[Godfather32]

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Look at the monster stats 41 possessions and that's with suns resisting playing him in his preferred position



No I haven't seen it in our team? West, Culley & our youth cant touch the ball. Our oldies also can't touch it

Would suggest the two stats circled in red are the reason why he's not getting much of a run in the senior team this year

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Surely with all the retirements and money freed coming out ARE WE GOING TO LAND A BIG FISH?

If I don't see us land one big fish in the next 4 years I'll be pissed.

By big fish I mean a Chris Judd/Ablett like player. Not like laughable kelly as OK as he is

Seriously
JK retired $$$
Nic Nat retiring soon $$$$
Shuey also gone soon $$$$$
Gaff shipped $$$$$$$$
Darling $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hurn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Redden $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Tim Kelly was All Australian and 5th in the Brownlow the year we got him. That is the big fish.

Judd and Ablett are two of the greatest players in the history of football. There aren’t players like that just running around, let alone available for trade.

Take the picks, load up on drafting the next Judd, not paying to acquire someone like him (ps there aren’t any).

 

[Godfather32]

Are you saying we wouldn't want to pick up a 24 year old tom mitch right now?

He is still very young 24. Out of place in suns. Cheap. Can accumulate like a vacuum. We can teach him how to play our style and handpass.


Dunno what you are referring to.

That's not very young, that's middle aged for a footballer.
And the bloke can't kick for shit

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Winder had 30 touches on the weekend and 33 touches with a goal the week before, if we’re doing WAFL/VFL stats.

Still would take almost anyone on if it came with a second rounder attached.

 

[Chump Change]

Are you saying we wouldn't want to pick up a 24 year old tom mitch right now?

He is still very young 24. Out of place in suns. Cheap. Can accumulate like a vacuum. We can teach him how to play our style and handpass.

Wouldn't take Tom Mitchell for free.

He can't kick and has questionable decision making (Fiorine). Also wouldn't take him for free.

 

[Keys]

Dunno what you are referring to.

No, my error

They are AFL stats.

Apologies

 

[Ishmael_]

3+ draft picks
Bulls
Outside mids
Balanced mids
Possession monkeys

Possession monkeys

 

[WestCoast05]

I think more now than ever if you can get draft right kids are ready to go alot quicker than they used to be.

I think the game tends itself to more an athletic player than full grunty footballers.

So as long as you can get a few bulls to dish the ball out the running capacity and athletic ability takes over and the kids shine.

All I heard from reading that was West Coast back to back Premiers 2023 and 2024.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Do these "changes" you speak of involve moving on the people in charge of their departments? Or is it much like our on field changes where we keep on people with tenure irrespective of how they perform and drop the guys on the periphery?

Ie

In: Current Fitness boss
Out: Work experience kid

Here's the opportunity you have been waiting for Willy!

 

[Dark Sharks]

I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden

8

Jack Redden

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.6

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

5.7

5star

CL

3.9

5star

D

15.0

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.4

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

. Is that not enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history. His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive <--- See Sydney game at home.


Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke. This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.

 

[Monocle]

I highly doubt that Fiorini comes to WA.

I happen to know his family quite well and "IF" he moves, I would think it's home to Victoria.

The Family are so fanatical Collingwood.
Ironically his Father Sam played for Carlton Reserves, he requested a trade to Collingwood several times, but it was not to be.

Italian family and very, very close so the lure to return to Victoria and reunite with his parents, his brothers and friends, would be strong.

I coached his older brother when I was in Melbourne, thats how I know the family .

 

[dajesmac]

I think more now than ever if you can get draft right kids are ready to go alot quicker than they used to be.

I think the game tends itself to more an athletic player than full grunty footballers.

So as long as you can get a few bulls to dish the ball out the running capacity and athletic ability takes over and the kids shine.

Hence why I think potentially getting Robertson in addition to Culley last year will draw us more to a Philippou/Tsatas than a Wardlaw with our first pick.

 

[Chump Change]

Are you saying

Let me ask you a question:

Take Melbourne's midfield. Could Fiorini get a gig? Or could you take someone out a replace them with Fiorini and it still be as good?

Why would we want him? We're about to get a number of top 10 (possibly top 5) draft picks over the next few years. You'd back is in to find a couple of midfield gems. Midfielders who can't kick straight kill you.

 

[Goroyals22]

That's not very young, that's middle aged for a footballer.
And the bloke can't kick for s**t

Yet his bad kicking still is 2 percent better than tim kellys for the year. .doesn’t make you want to fall over yourself to get him but for his career he is at 66% which whilst not great isn’t terrible.

 

[THE A5]

I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden. Is that jot enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history.

His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive <--- See Sydney game at home.


Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke.

This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.

I think the long term goal for Bazzo is to be a key back but in the near future I think he could be a hurn replacement. He can drive out of defence a bit but can also that third tall defender matching up on all three kinda forwards. By memory he played small on the weekend.

 

[Godfather32]

Yet his bad kicking still is 2 percent better than tim kellys for the year. ..

You won't find me saying Tim Kelly has played well this year.

 

[Goroyals22]

I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden

8

Jack Redden

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.6

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

5.7

5star

CL

3.9

5star

D

15.0

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.4

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

. Is that jot enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history.

His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive

Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke.

This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.

Simpson tonight said we will wait till the end of the year and see what they decide to do…. Sorry your the coach its upto you to say ,mate the ends here, you wont be offered a gig , if you want to play on find a place and we will trade you on if not thanks for your service…
The players don’t run the club let alone list management.

 

[Keys]

I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden. Is that jot enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history.

His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive <--- See Sydney game at home.


Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke.

This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.

Good post.

Not entirely sure I agree with it but you make some valid points

I’m very much 50/50 on them continuing and have posted before that they can offer something in 2023

The test will be whether we give the players coming through enough opportunity to develop and if the MC have the capacity to drop them if their form falls away

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Simpson tonight said we will wait till the end of the year and see what they decide to do…. Sorry your the coach its upto you to say ,mate the ends here, you wont be offered a gig , if you want to play on find a place and we will trade you on if not thanks for your service…
The players don’t run the club let alone list management.

The coach also doesn’t run list management