Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Definitely need to improve depth

A) Doesnt help when you have 5-6 best 22 missing for first half of year and then a couple injuries most weeks

B) Dev Smith 29 yr, Heppell 30 yr and to a lesser extent Hurley 32 yr all fall off the cliff relatively early at the same time

Certainly no Boak, Mundy, Hawkins, Buddy, Selwood, Cotchin, J.Riewoldt, R.Gray, S.Edwards ect

Hopefully depth is sorted in the next 24 months. After this year i cant see too many going
 

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TurnOnTheBrightLights said:
Does anyone else just crave a coach who calls it as he sees it and actually speaks in something other than monotone without fear of a reprimand? My biggest frustration with the last few years is the serious lack of heightened emotion (one way or the other) in the pressers! We have had two cardboard cutouts for the past 7 years
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Your biggest frustration from the last few years is a lack of heightened emotion in the press conferences?

Seriously?

Well I think you should include Sam Kekovich, Stephen A. Smith and John McEnroe in your top candidates.

I can’t believe people think emotion in press conferences or what is said there makes one ounce of difference.

My biggest frustration has personally been club hierarchy dysfunction and coterie influence allowing the tail (players and Dodoro) to wag the dog (coach and club).

But you can stay focused on press conferences if you like.
 
Lore said:
  • Shawry favouring an experienced assistant emerging coach with an experienced mentor – so his example was Solomon x Williams. He reckons player development programs are a deficiency at Essendon and Choco Williams would be a good one to push that through
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How does this work in practice? How much of an impact can a head coach have on individual player development?

I just wonder whether a head coach should be viewing things from a slightly higher level, and a development coach works better at ground level getting their hands dirty working with younger players on really specific skills-based stuff. So Choco's best attributes might not be being maximised in a head coaching role, but more so as an assistant.

I'm not sure how this actually works on the ground though — maybe someone closer to the day-to-day can provide some insight.
 
D3K91 said:
How does this work in practice? How much of an impact can a head coach have on individual player development?

I just wonder whether a head coach should be viewing things from a slightly higher level, and a development coach works better at ground level getting their hands dirty working with younger players on really specific skills-based stuff. So Choco's best attributes might not be being maximised in a head coaching role, but more so as an assistant.

I'm not sure how this actually works on the ground though — maybe someone closer to the day-to-day can provide some insight.
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Choco wouldn’t be senior coach in that scenario, Solomon (or Yze etc) would be the senior coach and you’d have a “director of coaching and player development” type role who is above the senior coach but not doing day to day work with the whole playing group, they’d be mentoring and overseeing the professional development of the coaches (across probably all five teams), and then sets up and perhaps runs player development programs at the club, depending on how much work that involves.
 
thepokey said:
Ok here’s a question that I myself don’t quite even know the answer to. Let’s say Hird does end up as coach again. Whether he goes through the process and is the best candidate or he is the “best candidate” and it’s just performative…how do you handle it going forward?

This is more for the people who not on board with him coming back - obviously the people who want him back would be thrilled. I’ve seen some people say they’ll switch teams, which, I don’t believe they would. But what happens. Do you just say * it and go all in with an us vs them mentality? Do you disconnect from footy a bit?
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Disconnect from footy.
 
It'd be hard to stay invested if that's the path we went down, at least until onfield performance started to suggest it was actually a well thought out decision and not just kowtowing to the bRiNg BaCk HiRd nuffies.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Your biggest frustration from the last few years is a lack of heightened emotion in the press conferences?

Seriously?

Well I think you should include Sam Kekovich, Stephen A. Smith and John McEnroe in your top candidates.

I can’t believe people think emotion in press conferences or what is said there makes one ounce of difference.

My biggest frustration has personally been club hierarchy dysfunction and coterie influence allowing the tail (players and Dodoro) to wag the dog (coach and club).

But you can stay focused on press conferences if you like.
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Gotta say - I have found the passionless approach of Rutten and Woosher infuriating at times.

Footy is an emotional game - for me the approach of the coaches refelected in our performances in finals where the opposition came out and played at very different emotional pitch.

Dry professionalism has a place but so does a little fire and brimstone - good coaches have these and everything in-between in their bag of tricks and understand the right time and place to deploy them.
 
Vander18 said:
Gotta say - I have found the passionless approach of Rutten and Woosher infuriating at times.

Footy is an emotional game - for me the approach of the coaches refelected in our performances in finals where the opposition came out and played at very different emotional pitch.

Dry professionalism has a place but so does a little fire and brimstone - good coaches have these and everything in-between in their bag of tricks and understand the right time and place to deploy them.
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Are the press conferences the thing you’re most frustrated with over the last few years? I’d think not.

They’re a show, Rutten wasn’t emotionless or robotic, he just wasn’t losing his head like so many wanted him to. Woosha was boring and robotic, but I have zero doubt it makes no difference to on field performance.

Press conferences are more interesting with emotion but I have a thousand more concerns. Would you question Hird’s passion for the club? He wasn’t exactly fire and brimstone.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Are the press conferences the thing you’re most frustrated with over the last few years? I’d think not.

They’re a show, Rutten wasn’t emotionless or robotic, he just wasn’t losing his head like so many wanted him to. Woosha was boring a robotic, but I have zero doubt it makes no difference to on field performance.

Press conferences are more interesting with emotion but I have a thousand more concerns. Would you question Hird’s passion for the club? He wasn’t exactly fire and brimstone.
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I did find the pressers really frustrating tbh - certainly never my biggest concern but both Woosher and Trick frustrated me in these settings.
 

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Vander18 said:
I did find the pressers really frustrating tbh - certainly never my biggest concern but both Woosher and Trick frustrated me in these settings.
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I can understand it, but to be even near the top of concerns or think what or how something is said publicly means that’s how it is privately doesn’t make much sense to me.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Are the press conferences the thing you’re most frustrated with over the last few years? I’d think not.

They’re a show, Rutten wasn’t emotionless or robotic, he just wasn’t losing his head like so many wanted him to. Woosha was boring and robotic, but I have zero doubt it makes no difference to on field performance.

Press conferences are more interesting with emotion but I have a thousand more concerns. Would you question Hird’s passion for the club? He wasn’t exactly fire and brimstone.
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Hird was a pretty wooden media performer for the most part, to be honest. Maybe not quite as much as Worsfold but not a huge amount better.

And that’s okay. It really doesn’t matter much.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
I can understand it, but to be even near the top of concerns or think what or how something is said publicly means that’s how it is privately doesn’t make much sense to me.
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For me it all became very symptomatic of our clubs plight - so I saw it as something bigger I guess.

Anyway - we just see this one differently Mojo.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Your biggest frustration from the last few years is a lack of heightened emotion in the press conferences?

Seriously?

Well I think you should include Sam Kekovich, Stephen A. Smith and John McEnroe in your top candidates.

I can’t believe people think emotion in press conferences or what is said there makes one ounce of difference.

My biggest frustration has personally been club hierarchy dysfunction and coterie influence allowing the tail (players and Dodoro) to wag the dog (coach and club).

But you can stay focused on press conferences if you like.
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No one said it was the be all, end all factor or the minute difference between winning a flag or not. If that's what you took from the post then that's a you problem.

But it's an underrated piece of the puzzle and passion matters, especially when you have a supporter base riding on literal dogshit. In times of hardship some grit and care visibly shown can galvanise everyone to stay on course. That's what true leaders have.

And personally, if you're a push over, or someone who's meek with no edge or line drawn, you are someone I'll never respect in the leadership/teaching sense. And that rings even more true for intense atmospheres. If I can walk all over you, then you're not gonna impact my drive. I'll pretend to listen, but you're not selling a damn thing to me or anyone else teaming up. That's wet leaf stuff to a literal week to week slog that is the elite professional footy.
 


I can’t open this but I’d like to know what part is confusing. They only formed a selection panel 3 business days ago 😅 one presumes they all have other commitments too and they’re not going to have “Call Ross” ahead of “write selection criteria and advertise the position”
 
According to Footy Classified (Sam McClure hosting tonight):

The selection panel met for the first time today. They are accepting applications. Once applications close they’ll whittle it down to a shortlist of five, and those five will be interviewed.

He’s also saying some people at Essendon believe Hirdy will apply.

Caro doesn’t think Lyon or Scott would go through the whole process, Scott has a big job at the AFL and can’t just take time off to sit through psych tests and stuff.

She reckons with those kind of high profile people it’d be due diligence, asking around at St Kilda or Freo and find out everything, rather than sitting them through everything.

Lyon wants to know what the whole process looks like before applying… how many tests and interviews and whatever. Hasn’t spoken to anybody at Essendon.

Caro and Lloyd also talking a bit about they wouldn’t be sitting back waiting for every assistant coach in the country to ask if they can apply. They’d be reaching out to people to apply, like GWS did.

*I suspect this is what managers are for, just quietly …

And that’s entirely enough Footy Classified for the rest of the night.
 
Next part Jordan Lewis says at the moment he imagines 'a few people would be reaching out to Mahoney or someone else from the club and Mahoney or others will probably start reaching out to a potential candidates'. Then the article goes off on trade tangents
 
Bjchan13 said:
Next part Jordan Lewis says at the moment he imagines 'a few people would be reaching out to Mahoney or someone else from the club and Mahoney or others will probably start reaching out to a potential candidates'. Then the article goes off on trade tangents
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Sounds reasonable. Wonder where he got interviewed that they ripped it from… probably 360 or something I suppose
 
Lore said:
According to Footy Classified (Sam McClure hosting tonight):

The selection panel met for the first time today. They are accepting applications. Once applications close they’ll whittle it down to a shortlist of five, and those five will be interviewed.

He’s also saying some people at Essendon believe Hirdy will apply.

Caro doesn’t think Lyon or Scott would go through the whole process, Scott has a big job at the AFL and can’t just take time off to sit through psych tests and stuff.

She reckons with those kind of high profile people it’d be due diligence, asking around at St Kilda or Freo and find out everything, rather than sitting them through everything.

Lyon wants to know what the whole process looks like before applying… how many tests and interviews and whatever. Hasn’t spoken to anybody at Essendon.

Caro and Lloyd also talking a bit about they wouldn’t be sitting back waiting for every assistant coach in the country to ask if they can apply. They’d be reaching out to people to apply, like GWS did.

*I suspect this is what managers are for, just quietly …

And that’s entirely enough Footy Classified for the rest of the night.
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No way Ross is going to let what happened last year happen again. He'll keep his cards close to his chest. Id say any meetings between him and the club/coaching panel can be had behind closed doors and stay out of the spotlight.
 
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