Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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XD sure enough he’s on 360. Good thing about catch up TV or whatever they want to call it… five minutes of this one, ten minutes of that one, skip the ads and the rubbish.

Lewis:

Honoured to be thought of in that way and that they’re valuing input from someone who is recently out of the game rather than just going for older people with lots of coach experience.

Going in open-minded and not connected to anyone and not promising anyone the job or anything, even though apparently he’s friends with Yze (according to Robbo).

There will be criteria, the panel has been told what they’re looking for and what the timelines are. Haven’t been given a list of applicants. As above, people probably calling Mahoney and expressing interest. More will be said tomorrow.

Eddie Betts joking around a bit that he’s a Hawthorn person and the rivalry and if it goes south it’s his fault etc.

Lewis: He hears other former Hawthorn players talking in the media and he personally has none of that. When he’s playing the other team is the enemy, but once the game is done it’s done and he doesn’t care about any of that.
 
Bjchan13 said:
No way Ross is going to let what happened last year happen again. He'll keep his cards close to his chest. Id say any meetings between him and the club/coaching panel can be had behind closed doors and stay out of the spotlight.
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Yeah. They danced around it a lot on FC, trying not to ask him direct questions and he immediately shuts it down if it goes that way
 
Lore said:
Yeah. They danced around it a lot on FC, trying not to ask him direct questions and he immediately shuts it down if it goes that way
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He can’t look anyone or the camera in the eye when talking about it really. I get the feeling he is interested.
 

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BomberFan355 said:
He can’t look anyone or the camera in the eye when talking about it really. I get the feeling he is interested.
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He is certainly interested and I think he's been reasonably clear that he would consider it. But it generally looks like

- He's not busting to coach again... he has a full-time job and is okay with it

- If asked he'd want to get a lot of information (due diligence as he calls it) about the club, who is there, how stable and united it is, etc

- There's no one-size-fits-all "process" for all coaching candidates, he wouldn't be going through the same "process" as an untried coach

The last point is fair enough imo, the bloke has coached at the highest level for a decade including three GFs, everybody knows what he's about, it'd be a case of having the discussions with him, and talking to his former execs and players at St Kilda and Freo.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
He is certainly interested and I think he's been reasonably clear that he would consider it. But it generally looks like

- He's not busting to coach again... he has a full-time job and is okay with it

- If asked he'd want to get a lot of information (due diligence as he calls it) about the club, who is there, how stable and united it is, etc

- There's no one-size-fits-all "process" for all coaching candidates, he wouldn't be going through the same "process" as an untried coach

The last point is fair enough imo, the bloke has coached at the highest level for a decade including three GFs, everybody knows what he's about, it'd be a case of having the discussions with him, and talking to his former execs and players at St Kilda and Freo.
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The whole thing about going through interviews and stuff is as much about him interviewing them as them interviewing him, making sure it’s a good fit for everyone, that they’re on the same page about where the list is at, how long it will take to rebuild/make finals/win flags, what kind of game plan he’d be implementing, so forth.

Things change and if he’s just going to roll out a cookie cutter plan he used a decade ago with Fremantle deliberately kicking the ball out of bounds so they could take advantage of their ruck setup and clearance work then that’s not really going to work for us now that there’s a rule against it and we don’t have Sandilands.

Maybe not six interviews and three psych evals or whatever that rumour was, but there’d still be a process and there would still be other candidates.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
who is there, how stable and united it is, etc
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Uhhh we can talk about that after you've signed Ross. Trust us though it's all good. It's all great. Good and great actually. And stable. Good, great and stable.
 
Ross is unclear on what the process is? Hasn’t this been made public for a little while now? Or is he saying he is unclear what the process would be “for him”? Indicating he wants some kind of special treatment?
 
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Bjchan13 said:
All she said was that Scott or Lyon shouldnt have to go through the same process as an untried coach, which is correct.
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It was a typical Caroline Wilson angle, attack despite all common sense saying that a process is exactly what we should be doing, and there being no indication whatsoever that the process wouldn't look different for coaches with known records versus unknown records.

People know what a Ross Lyon coached side looks like, how he conducts himself in the media, they can ask players who were under him how it was being coached by him, administration at two clubs what he was like to work with.

They do not know this for Adem Yze.

She went off half-cocked as usual, trying to attack the process despite no one actually knowing what the process is yet. She would also be the first one to attack if there was no process and someone was simply appointed.

I have minimal time for Caroline Wilson because she knows nothing else beyond criticism for criticism's sake.
 

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owen87 said:
It was a typical Caroline Wilson angle, attack despite all common sense saying that a process is exactly what we should be doing, and there being no indication whatsoever that the process wouldn't look different for coaches with known records versus unknown records.

People know what a Ross Lyon coached side looks like, how he conducts himself in the media, they can ask players who were under him how it was being coached by him, administration at two clubs what he was like to work with.

They do not know this for Adem Yze.

She went off half-cocked as usual, trying to attack the process despite no one actually knowing what the process is yet. She would also be the first one to attack if there was no process and someone was simply appointed.

I have minimal time for Caroline Wilson because she knows nothing else beyond criticism for criticism's sake.
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I didn't notice any criticism of the process, maybe i just automatically switched off after the first bit. Do you agree with her though? That Scott and Lyon would have a different process to Yze/ Hanson?
 
Bjchan13 said:
I didn't notice any criticism of the process, maybe i just automatically switched off after the first bit. Do you agree with her though? That Scott and Lyon would have a different process to Yze/ Hanson?
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I don't think that was a particularly novel or insightful comment she made, it was self-evident well in advance that the process would look different for an experienced known quantity as a head-coach versus one who hasn't been a head-coach.

If your take-away is 'Caroline Wilson said something that a number of posters on BigFooty have said a week ago' then sure.
 
owen87 said:
I don't think that was a particularly novel or insightful comment she made, it was self-evident well in advance that the process would look different for an experienced known quantity as a head-coach versus one who hasn't been a head-coach.

If your take-away is 'Caroline Wilson said something that a number of posters on BigFooty have said a week ago' then sure.
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I didn't think it was novel or insightful either. I just said she wasnt wrong on that point. It might be an obvious point to you and as you say there a number of posters on big footy who already think/know the process will differ in between applicants. Theres also a number who cant see why there'd be a difference.
 
Amateur hour from us once again. If we haven't spoke to 10 coaches by now or there management to give some update on what is going to happen... then we are absolutely lost.

The fact that Ross sounded genuinely bemused last night was not a good look for us. It reeked of our hubris in thinking that we advertise and they will come because we are the almighty EFC.

We would have known the media will be asking ever potential coach and his dog questions any time they can yet we haven't come anywhere near to controlling the narrative.
 
Bjchan13 said:
I didn't think it was novel or insightful either. I just said she wasnt wrong on that point. It might be an obvious point to you and as you say there a number of posters on big footy who already think/know the process will differ in between applicants. Theres also a number who cant see why there'd be a difference.
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And yet she could have easily raised it without the attack on Essendon, but she couldn't, because Caroline Wilson can't do anything but criticise.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Amateur hour from us once again. If we haven't spoke to 10 coaches by now or there management to give some update on what is going to happen... then we are absolutely lost.

The fact that Ross sounded genuinely bemused last night was not a good look for us. It reeked of our hubris in thinking that we advertise and they will come because we are the almighty EFC.

We would have known the media will be asking ever potential coach and his dog questions any time they can yet we haven't come anywhere near to controlling the narrative.
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What's there to control? The panel will meet, define the process, the various candidates will be informed of the process.

Do you think it needs to be reported to the media who they meet with, at what stage the process is at?
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
It reeked of our hubris in thinking that we advertise and they will come because we are the almighty EFC.
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Is it hubris though or is it that we genuinely don't know wtf we're doing?

I think it's generous to assume hubris.

Which is a weird sentence.
 
owen87 said:
What's there to control? The panel will meet, define the process, the various candidates will be informed of the process.

Do you think it needs to be reported to the media who they meet with, at what stage the process is at?
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Everything.

Yes, we should be pretty explicit with everything we do.. None of this cloak and daggers bullshit. It doesn't do any favours to anyone. yesterdays world.

Open, transparent and confidence in what we do.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
Everything.

Yes, we should be pretty explicit with everything we do.. None of this cloak and daggers bullshit. It doesn't do any favours to anyone. yesterdays world.

Open, transparent and confidence in what we do.
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Who said it's cloak and daggers?

Sounds to me like you're just making things up here.
 
I have breaking news. James Hird WILL be returning to head coaching.


Of the PwC Women's Footy team.

I'll show myself out. I am sorry.
 
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