Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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BrunoV said:
It's not disparaging it reflects the reality that no one has any idea whether these assistants will work.
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They work as assistants. Something Hird can't lay claim to. Last time he was appointed it was because he was James Hird.

Feel free to pin your hopes on that, but most won't.
 
Lore said:
We don’t even have a list of candidates. We have Tom Browne standing outside EY all day yesterday to see who he recognises as they walk through the doors…
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Maybe Hird is applying to be an accountant.
 
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BrunoV said:
It's not disparaging it reflects the reality that no one has any idea whether these assistants will work.

I've given the list of failures. What about the McRaes and Lyons who were never favoured.

People says that our list of candidates is terrible? WTF does anyone know? Yze could be Clarkson as could Lade or they could also be Neeld or Bolton.

A lot of the industry is buthurt because they've been confronted with the reality that Hird is there on merit. They louder they kick and scream the more pathetic it is.

If anyone seriously believes Voss got another gig because he is a football genius whose record as a stoppage coach got him the job at Carlton, take a breath and accept the reality that he got the job because he is Voss.

On other matters, Ratten 10 years as a coach, no better than 14 wins. Scott is the same. Dew, the highly qualified expert, has taken 5 years for a 10 win season at the same time he burns top 10 talent with abandon.

There are maybe 5 or 6 coaches worth their weight. How many make their list better than the sum of its parts?
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Voss's name doesn't carry water on it's own anymore. He was a joke when he ended at Brisbane. Voss got the job because he went away and was part of a successful system and more specifically as a line coach for a dominant midfield at Port. He earned his respect back. Same with Ratten at Hawthorn. Hird has not.

This coaching appointment isn't just about football knowledge and verbal acuity. It's about rebuilding the club to function like a stable professional outfit and removing the cult of personality that has possessed us for 40 years. Something that Hird cannot achieve.

I called this as a Hird play midyear when the jungle drums started to beat for Rutten. Sure enough the board spills in his favor. I know Hird is very talented, that's why I'm worried. As he has the ability to bewitch that panel with his charm and guile; to go against what is best for the club. You can take the boy out of the ACT but you can't take the scheming politician out of the boy.
 
Doss said:
Yeah look, forgive me for not finding the argument that “maybe it will blow up, then we’ll know for sure we have to chuck out the old guard” particularly inspiring.
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It's insurance, don't see how that's a bad thing. No matter what happens there'll be a big change at Essendon.
 
dank420_ said:
They work as assistants. Something Hird can't lay claim to. Last time he was appointed it was because he was James Hird.

Feel free to pin your hopes on that, but most won't.
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You're crying over spilled milk and that is what much of this is about.

Whether he should have been appointed coach in 2010, I don't really care.

At the end of the day, he was. He did a good enough job in his first 3 years. I exclude the but SAGA line because he was invited to apply. Clearly no one at the club actually blames him for that shit show or at least they've moved on.

The cold hard fact is he can coach. He wasn't amazing. He may well have been. I still haven't heard one reason why he couldn't have spent a weekend or the half season he just spent getting up to speed with tactics.

Then someone will mention relationship building. Go and ask GWS players what they thought of the man.

Life's not fair. Talented footballers don't need to work as hard as footballers without talent. This applies to all walks of life.

And what does being an assistant have to do with being a coach? Seriously, this line is just obtuse when it comes to guys who have already coached.
 
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I still don't understand how everyone pins all the blame on Hird for the drug saga, he was part of it but not responsible. David Evans and Paul Hamilton were CEO and GM. They ran the club and it all happened under their watch. Hird was just a senior coach he was not responsible for ensuring all paperwork was in order and compliance was met. It was the lack of systems and processes that brought the EFC down, that is the CEO and General managers responsibility. I still doubt most AFL teams would be ran in a way a professional business is operated. Hird and Bomber may well have brang Dank and the weapon in but they would have to have been approved by Evans and Hamilton and should have been overseen by senior management of the club. If a coach is responsible for all that goes on in the football club, why do we have GM's and CEO's giving press conferences when coaches are fired.........
 
Red Black and Blue said:
Voss's name doesn't carry water on it's own anymore. He was a joke when he ended at Brisbane. Voss got the job because he went away and was part of a successful system and more specifically as a line coach for a dominant midfield at Port. He earned his respect back. Same with Ratten at Hawthorn. Hird has not.

This coaching appointment isn't just about football knowledge and verbal acuity. It's about rebuilding the club to function like a stable professional outfit and removing the cult of personality that has possessed us for 40 years. Something that Hird cannot achieve.

I called this as a Hird play midyear when the jungle drums started to beat for Rutten. Sure enough the board spills in his favor. I know Hird is very talented, that's why I'm worried. As he has the ability to bewitch that panel with his charm and guile; to go against what is best for the club. You can take the boy out of the ACT but you can't take the scheming politician out of the boy.
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Go and listen to what people said about Voss. It is pure animal magnetism.

Like I said earlier, the substance of what he said in his first presser was no more sophisticated than what he was saying first time around.

He imploded as a coach. He was not up to it. It's not the same for Hird.
 
**** it, lets just bring back Hird. Is it the best call? Probably not. Will it be incredibly entertaining to watch unfold? ****en oath it will be.
 
Aido1979 said:
I still don't understand how everyone pins all the blame on Hird for the drug saga, he was part of it but not responsible. David Evans and Paul Hamilton were CEO and GM. They ran the club and it all happened under their watch. Hird was just a senior coach he was not responsible for ensuring all paperwork was in order and compliance was met. It was the lack of systems and processes that brought the EFC down, that is the CEO and General managers responsibility. I still doubt most AFL teams would be ran in a way a professional business is operated. Hird and Bomber may well have brang Dank and the weapon in but they would have to have been approved by Evans and Hamilton and should have been overseen by senior management of the club. If a coach is responsible for all that goes on in the football club, why do we have GM's and CEO's giving press conferences when coaches are fired.........
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No one here blames him for the entirety of it and oh my god I could not be less enthusiastic about that whole can of worms of the blame games being opened again.
 

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BrunoV said:
And what does being an assistant have to do with being a coach? Seriously, this line is just obtuse when it comes to guys who have already coached.
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The bolded - lmao.

Your entire argument hinges on Hird potentially being an amazing coach, and that he never got a proper look. That is debatable. The fact he was in the job for 3 years doesn't mean he was a good coach. I think you've got a short memory when it comes to his record, or you are cherry picking like you did when comparing Scott on radio. And I'm happy to look at it ignoring the saga.

His best attribute was player buy-in, at a time that he was still the golden boy.

BrunoV said:
Life's not fair. Talented footballers don't need to work as hard as footballers without talent. This applies to walks of life.
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That's fantastic, but we are talking about coaching. There is nothing on show that he is a better choice than the other candidates.
 
dank420_ said:
The bolded - lmao.

Your entire argument hinges on Hird potentially being an amazing coach, and that he never got a proper look. That is debatable. The fact he was in the job for 3 years doesn't mean he was a good coach. I think you've got a short memory when it comes to his record, or you are cherry picking like you did when comparing Scott on radio. And I'm happy to look at it ignoring the saga.

His best attribute was player buy-in, at a time that he was still the golden boy.



That's fantastic, but we are talking about coaching. There is nothing on show that he is a better choice than the other candidates.
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Assistant coaching has nothing to do with being a head coach. Except that all head coaches were once assistant coaches…
 
Doss said:
No one here blames him for the entirety of it and oh my god I could not be less enthusiastic about that whole can of worms of the blame games being opened again.
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From reading these pages it seems majority of the blame is placed on Hirdy by a fair few so would disagree with you there.
 
Aido1979 said:
From reading these pages it seems majority of the blame is placed on Hirdy by a fair few so would disagree with you there.
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How many pages did you actually read?

We're all entirely rusted on Essendon fans. Even those of us who are not enamoured with Hird as Senior Coach in 2023 generally speaking base our opinions on something other than whatever did or didn't happen 5-10 years ago. It's entirely irrelevant.

I think I've seen one post in the last few pages that even goes in that direction and even that person said he was only in part to blame, not "majority".

Besides any of that, as Doss mentioned, we'd really rather not open the can of worms on who had more blame when and how etc. There's a reason why our ASADA threads are in the history board - they're just that, history.
 
owen87 said:
FWIW I’d also be opposed to Evans, Hamilton, Robinson and Dank having jobs at EFC.
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Don't want to bring them all back so they can make amends, find redemption and heal the club so we can finally move on?

/Robbo
 
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