Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

42

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

" Rule is back

 

[Hawkspot]

Are there even any big free agents next year? I think the McKay brothers are coming up and maybe Papley bit not too many others spring to mind

Harry McKay. King is out of contract with the suns too I think, one of the reasons they’d be so keen to make cap space.

If he kicks 50 next year, he’s a million dollar player.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Harry McKay. King is out of contract with the suns too I think, one of the reasons they’d be so keen to make cap space.

If he kicks 50 next year, he’s a million dollar player.

King is contracted to end of 2024. Don't think he will be a free agent then either.

 

[Iceman!]

Today normally the calm before the storm? Yesterday outside of the Gunston news felt like a slow burn, expecting the same today before free agency opens tomorrow?

The storm is the last day of trade period, very little happens before that.

Still got like 2 weeks of nothing

 

[butlers hawks]

The storm is the last day of trade period, very little happens before that.

Still got like 2 weeks of nothing

at least there will be names coming through though and news, gotta bait the hook somehow

 

[Blackhawk42]

On bowes, we many not have wanted to encumber our cap with his salary because we plan to make a massive free agent bid next year. Maybe more than one player.

We should park that line of thinking. Unless somebody has committed 12 months out.

We're not passing on Bowes and pick 7 to 'maybe' pick up Jade Greshem.

 

[DeafHawk]

Cam Raynor??

 

[Mercy Seat]

On bowes, we many not have wanted to encumber our cap with his salary because we plan to make a massive free agent bid next year. Maybe more than one player.

Surely given our space cap we can do both. I’m sure the cats will be making big plays for FAs next year

 

[bigconornash]

2022 average age per team (youngest to oldest)

Hawthorn - 23.4 years (2023)
Adelaide – 24 years
Essendon – 24.6
North Melbourne – 24.6
Hawthorn – 24.7
Carlton – 24.8

This is including Mitchell and Amon.

 

[Bugs1977]

Oh not disputing it’s frustrating. I want Bowes/7 as much as anyone.

This is the only deal I'll be gutted about if we can't make it happen.

However if we do then I'll be ecstatic

 

[Snoref]

On bowes, we many not have wanted to encumber our cap with his salary because we plan to make a massive free agent bid next year. Maybe more than one player.

Not this again..we need to go hard this year with our cap space and take advantage of our position. Waiting for another year allows for teams to adjust and makes our advantage less. Also why can't we do both, my sone accounts we freed up 2-3M cap space with retirements and departure- yet we still saving?

Bowes is the exact situation we are waiting for, pay him overs if that's what is needed to get him to overlook the 'lifestyle' differences- everyone has a price. Front load the contract and pay it off. Rinse repeat for next year- because if things stick to their trend we'll probably end up losing JOM, Wingard etc

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[hawkmang]

Feel like we could have used his experience/depth next year to be honest

 

[butlers hawks]

Not this again..we need to go hard this year with our cap space and take advantage of our position. Waiting for another year allows for teams to adjust and makes our advantage less. Also why can't we do both, my sone accounts we freed up 2-3M cap space with retirements and departure- yet we still saving?

Bowes is the exact situation we are waiting for, pay him overs if that's what is needed to get him to overlook the 'lifestyle' differences- everyone has a price. Front load the contract and pay it off. Rinse repeat for next year- because if things stick to their trend we'll probably end up losing JOM, Wingard etc

Just expecting that cap space will mean guys want to come here is naïve. Okay we have cap space, we will have had conversations on how to spend it, that might of meant we have been in talks with more free agents, it might mean that we are calling teams will to take guys into it but unless a player says yes i will go there then it doesnt really mean anything

 

[HedgeFund]

Pick 54 after all the F/S matching would be something in the 40s.

In the last 6 or 7 years we have got the following from 40+ picks:
Hardwick
Morrison
Lewis
Worpel
Moore
Kosi
Morris
Brockman
Serong

1/3 of our team is from the "s**t" part of the draft.

5 of those 9 played VFL in 2022 and it’s hardly a third of our best 22 that you’ve listed.

We are playing heaps guys picked after 40 because our List Management handed over 3 years of 1st/2nd rounders for mature recruits.

We simply don’t have many guys we actually picked before pick 40 because they barely existed before 2020

 

[Snoref]

Just expecting that cap space will mean guys want to come here is naïve. Okay we have cap space, we will have had conversations on how to spend it, that might of meant we have been in talks with more free agents, it might mean that we are calling teams will to take guys into it but unless a player says yes i will go there then it doesnt really mean anything

I was saying Bowes is the perfect example of paying overs as we aren't recruiting just a player but buying a pick which excellerates the rebuild. Yes if he becomes any good then its a bonus, but given we have $$$ and lots of it, but limited draft picks, this is the exact way to get more draft picks using our $$$. I'm not interested in waiting for a free agent next year that may or may not come... I work within what is available now

 

[TylerDurden]

Feel like we could have used his experience/depth next year to be honest

I hear you. But he was clogging the list and would just take up games for kids we need to develop. Sam is only interested in players that can take us fwd.

 

[MrPremiership]

If we get 5/6 picks inside 30 this year again, the Howe on the list is just a waste. You want others getting games ahead of him

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I hear you. But he was clogging the list and would just take up games for kids we need to develop. Sam is only interested in players that can take us fwd.

Was a fan of Howe - but you can see why he’s surplus now. He’s not quick enough to be a wing solution and there’s more than enough flankers with more to offer than he does.

I think a contending side like the Lions would be crazy not to look at him though.

 

[butlers hawks]

I was saying Bowes is the perfect example of paying overs as we aren't recruiting just a player but buying a pick which excellerates the rebuild. Yes if he becomes any good then its a bonus, but given we have $$$ and lots of it, but limited draft picks, this is the exact way to get more draft picks using our $$$. I'm not interested in waiting for a free agent next year that may or may not come... I work within what is available now

Yeah but if he and no other guy in that situation wants to come you might have to wait

 

[Sturty]

If we get 5/6 picks inside 30 this year again, the Howe on the list is just a waste. You want others getting games ahead of him

My thoughts to.

 

[TylerDurden]

I hope we announce Amon early tomorrow. This club is crying out for good news this week.

 

[Dewnior]

Some thoughts on the last few days in here:

- Its sad to see Gunston go elsewhere as a champion of the club but thats what FA is for. Similar to Smith I wish him well and hope he does well in his final few years. Makes sense for Bris to throw some late pick back to protect McStay compo, but theyll be super busy with Dunkley, Ashcroft, Fletcher and others. Obviously may get nothing for Gunston in the end.

- He and Smith should be excluded from the Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell talk as they are separate circumstances. One retired at the right time, then decided to help a struggling club right the ship. The other two were moved on to make way for a new club era. Birchall was struggling physically and had a great opportunity to squeeze out a few more games. None showed a level of performance at their new club that may have indicated we lost out. The biggest concern for me is that I would love them all back at the club in some capacity at some stage.

- For all the lauding of geelong this week in here, its worth noting the exact same thing happened to them a few years before. Johnson shipped off to GWS, Kelly landed at Ess, Chapman retired off etc. Made way for the next wave. It was tough for them too but ultimately the right move IMO.

- We've lost a lot of experience but not as much has been crucial to our success this year. McEvoy, Shiels, Gunston, likely Mitchell, plus delistings all played games, but cant see any featuring high in the B+F. Gunston probably the hardest to replace as all else essentially already have been this year.

- Mitchell will excel at the Pies. Unfortunately we wont get compo that reflects that potential based on phasing him out of our midfield. Had to be done but a pick upgrade (as rumoured) for a brownlow medal level player isnt ideal. Especially if we end up paying some of his wage (as rumoured). Hoping for the best on this one.

- I can see a world where we drop back a touch, but can also see a world where we significantly improve. An extra year under a new coach who's promising to be quite good may do wonders. Biggest hurdle for me is making sure our medical staff build strong, resilient, injury-free players so we actually get access to them. Need to sort Wingard out. CJ needs a full PS, too many niggles and issues for me. With those reduced we skirt the boundary of potentially playing finals IMO. Still have a lot of work to do, but the signs are there.

- I want Bowes. I want GC's first round pick. We may get neither. Geelong may get both. Thats the cyclical nature of an unbalanced 18 team comp. Some teams have natural advantages like F/S, academies, state or town based locations. Some have poor cultures and destined to avoid succes. Some currently have the mix right and will more often than not come out ahead. As long as we can see the Hawks having a crack at getting good talent in and trying to fast track this new era of success I'll be able to stomach the misses (whether they were even realistic in the first place or not).

- Its worth noting that the trade and draft period is essentially a series a private, hidden affairs attempting to be played out in public during a period of relatively less football exposure. We spend far too much time thinking about things, hoping for the best, getting dissappinted and frustrated, thinking what could be, and then essentially forgetting about all of it by the time preseason rolls around - before doing it all again. I absoutely love it, but i think its also important to just let things wash over us a little more. There will be good intel, there will be intel that was good but ultimately chages, and there will be intel that misses the mark entirely. I welcome all of it, as I think its pretty easy to tell what is which at the end of the day.

- Always hoping for a left field aquisition and for us to come out net positive! What does a net positive result look like for us this offseason given the outs?

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TL;DR

 

[Dewnior]

GWS want a future first for Bruhn. Once we were told that we did not pursue him.

Hang on. Prior to the Hopper announcement, R&L told us that Bruhn was sewn up and I can't imagine that info was passed on prior to the club knowing what the price would be.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

I was saying Bowes is the perfect example of paying overs as we aren't recruiting just a player but buying a pick which excellerates the rebuild. Yes if he becomes any good then its a bonus, but given we have $$$ and lots of it, but limited draft picks, this is the exact way to get more draft picks using our $$$. I'm not interested in waiting for a free agent next year that may or may not come... I work within what is available now

Can we please move on from the Bowes/pick 7 talk? Has zero interest in coming to us and from all reports has been in talk with Geelong for a long time. They will find the cap space and make it work.

 

[Snoref]

Yeah but if he and no other guy in that situation wants to come you might have to wait

But that's my point, we should be doing everything to get it over the line- unless he told us he hates Hawthorn and doesn't want anything to do with us, then that's probably the only thing that would stop the pursuit, but everything else is negotiable