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I'd not thought of Harvey being a forward coach...but to me it does actually make some sense, he knows what the midfield are looking for and what the forwards need to do to be seen!
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Toast Ross Lyon returns to St.Kilda #UnfinishedBusiness
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Hey man, I watched him play a great deal as my best mate growing up was a Fitzroy fan.
Lyon was tough, could play back or forward but he was also skillful. Very good by foot.
Represented Victoria a few times if memory serves.
If Ross could take this side to a Grand Final then anything is possible with our list:
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Thanks Christopher, I imagined him as some battler. Didn't realise he was good enough for state duties. He was obviously a good standard.
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Went to school with one of those blokes.
He's a fanatical Carlton supporter which probably tells you all you need to know....
I guess at some point we'll need to put him in the same room as Simon.
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A Goodish forward line & Ruckman
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We have a pile of untapped or unaccessed talent sitting there. Billings and Hill alone have played every good footy in the past and have played a couple of very ordinary seasons and are at the point where people have forgotten how good they can be.
Guys we got very little out of in 2022
Jones
Gresh
Hill
Clark
Byrnes
Billings
Clark
Coffield
Marshall
Higgins
Bytel
Adams
Allison
Highmore
Mckenzie
Connolly
Campbell
Heath
Sharman
Peris
Hayes
We also had poor seasons from Howard, Butler, Paton etc.
To me we have a heap of untapped potential growth just by having them all fire at the same time and stay fit.
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All good man, hope you are well.
He was as uncompromising as he expects his players to be, strong at the context! Richo would have loved him!
Always put his head in the hole.
Roys fans used to love him.
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ADAM SCHWAB
OCT 24, 2022
While ESG (environmental, social, and governance) has morphed from niche to mainstream in what seems like a hot minute, not all institutions have taken notice. AFL club St Kilda, for example, appears less concerned about the governance part.
When it comes to sporting horror stories, few challenge the sustained mediocrity of the foundation AFL club. While most long-running hoodoos have been broken in the past two decades — Boston’s Curse of the Bambino, Chicago’s Curse of Shoeless Joe, or, more locally, the droughts of Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs — St Kilda’s run continues. Its sole premiership, by one point, was in 1966. Since then, the club has remained a never-ending governance and financial nightmare.
Last week, just months after re-signing former coach Brett Ratten, the club announced his termination. While surprising, the move wasn’t especially controversial. Due to the continuing ineptitude of AFL clubs making significant termination payments to sacked coaches, the league recently introduced a maximum six-month payout clause in contracts.
Within days of Ratten’s dismissal, media leaks started appearing suggesting the return of controversial former coach Ross Lyon. On Monday it was confirmed he would be returning to the club. Lyon left the Saints in difficult circumstances in 2011 before an initially successful, but ultimately disastrous, tenure at Fremantle. After four terrible years onfield, Lyon departed Fremantle amid alleged sexual harassment claims.
In 2018, Fox reported that “a hush-money payment of more than $100,000 to a former female staff member, which included a non-disclosure agreement, to settle a sexual harassment complaint”. It has also been reported Lyon told the woman he liked her “budding boobs” during a Fremantle club function. The woman was two months pregnant. She has previously alleged she was sexually harassed by Lyon when the then 51-year-old reportedly followed her throughout the event and made a series of inappropriate and crude remarks. Lyon has also had less relevant but well-publicised marital and financial issues in recent years.
But Lyon’s previous off- and onfield issues were quietly ignored by the male-dominated AFL media. Within hours of Ratten’s firing, former St Kilda great and media personality Brendon Goddard said on SEN that “there was ‘no reason’ why Lyon couldn’t walk back into Moorabbin after his infamous defection to Fremantle back in 2011”. The Herald Sun quickly followed suit, giving more credibility to the rumour. A few days later, the Nine papers reported Lyon’s comments that he was “very close” to signing up after his “heart’s been opened” — whatever that means.
While most AFL clubs take months to appoint a coach — forming subcommittees and appointing expert search firms like Egon Zehnder — Lyon went from disgraced former Fremantle coach to returning hero in the space of… five days.
How did this happen?
Five weeks earlier, former St Kilda president Lindsay Fox held his 85th birthday on a luxury yacht, ferrying the 400-person strong guest list from New York to Montreal. The guest list read as a who’s who of the Melbourne sporting, cultural and business elite. Attendees included property billionaire John Gandel, consultant and Carlton Football Club president Luke Sayers, infrastructure tsar Rod Eddington, Melbourne Mayor Sally Capp, Linfox board members Bill Kelty, Simon Crean and presenter Eddie McGuire. Also on board were current St Kilda president and popular SEEK founder and CEO Andrew Bassat, as well as St Kilda fan and large donor Gerry Ryan (who also shouted guests a private showing of his musical Moulin Rouge).
It is becoming increasingly obvious that Ratten’s tenure came to an end aboard that luxury yacht — with Ryan, Fox, Bassat and McGuire moving towards installing McGuire’s good mate Lyon (who also works for McGuire’s production business on the Footy Classified program). The media around the appointment was masterfully controlled by McGuire. Meanwhile, St Kilda’s newly appointed CEO overseeing the shambolic process is Simon Lethlean, himself no stranger to scandal.
The appointment of Lyon was even more controversial, given he had been overlooked for the coaching role at Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton — all three clubs undertook actual coaching professional independent appointment processes, but these didn’t take place on a six-star cruise charter.
While AFL football clubs are usually small in terms of revenue (most generate less than $100 million annually), their significant public presence has meant most have made strides towards professionalising their administration and governance. It appears that perennially struggling St Kilda remains the exception, where coaches are hired and fired by a cabal of elderly billionaires aboard a superyacht.
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Adam Schwab is a former corporate lawyer, angel investor and the co-founder of Luxury Escapes, a Melbourne-based travel company. He has written for Crikey and SmartCompany since 2005, hosts the From Zero podcast, and is the author of Pigs at the Trough: Lessons from Australia’s Decade of Corporate Greed. He is a board member of Private Media, the publisher of Crikey.
One of Australia’s oldest footy clubs is yet to modernise its governance
Ross Lyon is set to return to St Kilda as coach, despite sexual harassment allegations in his wake.ADAM SCHWAB
OCT 24, 2022
While ESG (environmental, social, and governance) has morphed from niche to mainstream in what seems like a hot minute, not all institutions have taken notice. AFL club St Kilda, for example, appears less concerned about the governance part.
When it comes to sporting horror stories, few challenge the sustained mediocrity of the foundation AFL club. While most long-running hoodoos have been broken in the past two decades — Boston’s Curse of the Bambino, Chicago’s Curse of Shoeless Joe, or, more locally, the droughts of Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs — St Kilda’s run continues. Its sole premiership, by one point, was in 1966. Since then, the club has remained a never-ending governance and financial nightmare.
Last week, just months after re-signing former coach Brett Ratten, the club announced his termination. While surprising, the move wasn’t especially controversial. Due to the continuing ineptitude of AFL clubs making significant termination payments to sacked coaches, the league recently introduced a maximum six-month payout clause in contracts.
Within days of Ratten’s dismissal, media leaks started appearing suggesting the return of controversial former coach Ross Lyon. On Monday it was confirmed he would be returning to the club. Lyon left the Saints in difficult circumstances in 2011 before an initially successful, but ultimately disastrous, tenure at Fremantle. After four terrible years onfield, Lyon departed Fremantle amid alleged sexual harassment claims.
In 2018, Fox reported that “a hush-money payment of more than $100,000 to a former female staff member, which included a non-disclosure agreement, to settle a sexual harassment complaint”. It has also been reported Lyon told the woman he liked her “budding boobs” during a Fremantle club function. The woman was two months pregnant. She has previously alleged she was sexually harassed by Lyon when the then 51-year-old reportedly followed her throughout the event and made a series of inappropriate and crude remarks. Lyon has also had less relevant but well-publicised marital and financial issues in recent years.
But Lyon’s previous off- and onfield issues were quietly ignored by the male-dominated AFL media. Within hours of Ratten’s firing, former St Kilda great and media personality Brendon Goddard said on SEN that “there was ‘no reason’ why Lyon couldn’t walk back into Moorabbin after his infamous defection to Fremantle back in 2011”. The Herald Sun quickly followed suit, giving more credibility to the rumour. A few days later, the Nine papers reported Lyon’s comments that he was “very close” to signing up after his “heart’s been opened” — whatever that means.
While most AFL clubs take months to appoint a coach — forming subcommittees and appointing expert search firms like Egon Zehnder — Lyon went from disgraced former Fremantle coach to returning hero in the space of… five days.
How did this happen?
Five weeks earlier, former St Kilda president Lindsay Fox held his 85th birthday on a luxury yacht, ferrying the 400-person strong guest list from New York to Montreal. The guest list read as a who’s who of the Melbourne sporting, cultural and business elite. Attendees included property billionaire John Gandel, consultant and Carlton Football Club president Luke Sayers, infrastructure tsar Rod Eddington, Melbourne Mayor Sally Capp, Linfox board members Bill Kelty, Simon Crean and presenter Eddie McGuire. Also on board were current St Kilda president and popular SEEK founder and CEO Andrew Bassat, as well as St Kilda fan and large donor Gerry Ryan (who also shouted guests a private showing of his musical Moulin Rouge).
It is becoming increasingly obvious that Ratten’s tenure came to an end aboard that luxury yacht — with Ryan, Fox, Bassat and McGuire moving towards installing McGuire’s good mate Lyon (who also works for McGuire’s production business on the Footy Classified program). The media around the appointment was masterfully controlled by McGuire. Meanwhile, St Kilda’s newly appointed CEO overseeing the shambolic process is Simon Lethlean, himself no stranger to scandal.
The appointment of Lyon was even more controversial, given he had been overlooked for the coaching role at Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton — all three clubs undertook actual coaching professional independent appointment processes, but these didn’t take place on a six-star cruise charter.
While AFL football clubs are usually small in terms of revenue (most generate less than $100 million annually), their significant public presence has meant most have made strides towards professionalising their administration and governance. It appears that perennially struggling St Kilda remains the exception, where coaches are hired and fired by a cabal of elderly billionaires aboard a superyacht.
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Adam Schwab
COLUMNIST @LUX_SCHWAB
Adam Schwab is a former corporate lawyer, angel investor and the co-founder of Luxury Escapes, a Melbourne-based travel company. He has written for Crikey and SmartCompany since 2005, hosts the From Zero podcast, and is the author of Pigs at the Trough: Lessons from Australia’s Decade of Corporate Greed. He is a board member of Private Media, the publisher of Crikey.
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This place has really descended now...RtB2 Baby!!!
I can’t wait to see the effect Ross has on some of our younger players.
Max King, Hunter Clark, Nick Coffield, Marcus Windhager and Jade Gresham are all the obvious players we hope to see more growth in.
And I reckon Lyon will get the very best out of our harder working fringe players like Paton, McKenzie, & Hayes
But I have a really strong premonition that Mitchito Owens is going to be the one who flourishes and transforms under Lyons stewardship.
All up though, I’m excited about the future again.
Responded to the members email to thank Bassat for his courage and endeavour to get to this point.
Long may it continue.
Bring on 2023!
Jesus.
Yeah though they had the pillars in Pavlich + Fyfe + Sandilands who were probably all better than anyone we have at the moment. Pav 6x AA, Fyfe 2x Brownlow + 3x AA, Sandilands 4x AA.
Then they had Neale, who wasn't a Brownlow Medallist/AA yet but obviously grew into that. Also McPharlin, Ballantyne, Mundy, Johnson, Walters all AA at some point in their careers either before or after that Grand Final.
Lots of B grade and even C grade players around them but they had plenty of quality.
I think people have forgotten some of the names that played in 09/10… we didn’t bat real deep back then either… Dawson, Eddy, McQualter, Raph Clarke, Gwilt, Clint Jones, Peake, Ray etc were not superstars… I will back RTB in to get this group up and going
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Typical journo beta-male vibes.
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Hayes has the power stance, chest puffed, eyes straight ahead like he wants to stand his ground and meet head on. HC looks like he's seen a rabid dog running at him fast and he's trying to protect his vital organs.
I include finals, shouldn’t I? They count towards a coaches total games normally, I would have thought.
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Brilliant...the moment our next premiership was born!
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Depends on the size of the hole. As long as no-one has to come and extract you the authorities here are pretty good about it. Call emergency services though and you'll have all sorts of problems.
