MRP / Trib. 2023 - MRO Chook Lotto - Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[Aphrodite]

 

[marcmurphy3]

The AFL have dug their own grave - careless opens the window.

For sure. I reckon they would have had a strong case for intentional. Would have been much harder to get him off.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Oh no what are they doing to the game?!
I thought Acres was a laugh, but this is just plain silly!

 

[Sam The Doc]

The thing is the tribunal isn't interested in the afl making a stand. Their job is to adjudicate the case based on the rules the afl put in place. That system is a matrix which spits out a week for Harry based off the match review officer deeming the contact medium. If we can argue that's the wrong call he gets off.

Now if the afl wants to change their rules to say any head high hits no matter how minimal are suspendable that's a different matter but they have to stick to their own rules.

I would agree, but then Acres didn't get off...

 

[Stamos]

Unfortunately, they have remained consistent with suspensions for head high hits

None of them strikes though

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Careless not intentional - he will get off

 

[Arr0w]

None of them strikes though

If the base suspension for a head hit, is a week, I am fine with that, what I am not fine with is other more severe hits, only getting 2 weeks

 

[Stamos]

If the base suspension for a head hit, is a week, I am fine with that, what I am not fine with is other more severe hits, only getting 2 weeks

There's that, which I agree with.
Ballard got off with a worse hit than H's.

And Zurhaar not even cited.

 

[lily of laguna]

I said it last year.
The idea that 1 person has all the say in determining a sanction is ridiculous.
It needs to be a 3 person committee to make determination.
The fact that this person is a past player is also completely ridiculous, they have ties to a club and relationships to organisations that cannot ensure impartiality.
System is broken and needs urgent fixing.

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[Aphrodite]

GAGF MR NO IDEA MRO

What a joke!

 

[Dadda Dave]

By looking at that H plays next week

 

[IronMan29]

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[Blue__Balls]

If the base suspension for a head hit, is a week, I am fine with that, what I am not fine with is other more severe hits, only getting 2 weeks

But at that point you need to have a clear delineation on when high contact is a reportable offence. Is high contact in a spoil a 1 week suspension? Only if it's late? How late? Is a high fend-off a 1 week suspension? Is a high tackle a 1 week suspension?

I think the simplest approach is for intentional acts to be deemed a suspension in all cases, with the impact then used to determine number of weeks. Incidental/football acts should only ever be a fine, but start them at $5k if you want to make them a greater deterrant.

 

[Mondyboy]

Unfortunately, they have remained consistent with suspensions for head high hits

What's not consistent is the penalties they are dishing out, moreso only a week difference between the Kosi and Acres/McKay hits

I'd fight it, but think it will stand

Harry should have changed his approach before contact

I think you’re wrong. It should have been deemed as low not medium. Sheezel got up
30 seconds later and was at the next contest. If that’s not low contact then I’m not sure what is.


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[skadoosh]

I think you’re wrong. It should have been deemed as low not medium. Sheezel got up
30 seconds later and was at the next contest. If that’s not low contact then I’m not sure what is.


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Can anyone confirm now impact is graded?
Is it only on the impact of the player to play out the rest of the game or is the level of force of the strike/hit also taken into account?

Anyhow, don't know how either or both of these are not graded low.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Did Cerra’s or even Harry’s head high hit to eye and face get suspensions? Asking for a friend....

 

[footyfan1978]

Can anyone confirm now impact is graded?

By a dart board throw.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Can anyone confirm now impact is graded?
Is it only on the impact of the player to play out the rest of the game or is the level of force of the strike/hit also taken into account?

Anyhow, don't know how either or both of these are not graded low.

They have the ability to use "potential for injury" not just the actual outcome.

Even so, the give how little force Harry ended up using, it should never have been deemed "medium". He pulled up, made contact with the shoulder and it rode up a bit. Sheezel went down, but only cause he was already off-balance from kicking the ball.

The "potential" outcome is the one that happened. He was never getting seriously injured from that.

 

[jj1978]

High fend off giving someone a black eye… nada.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Here's the test. Are they gonna slap Tom Lynch with 2+ weeks for his elbow to the head of Keath? More actual immediate impact, so if you're grading Harry as medium on "potential" then Lynch should be "high" by comparison...

 

[Arr0w]

But at that point you need to have a clear delineation on when high contact is a reportable offence. Is high contact in a spoil a 1 week suspension? Only if it's late? How late? Is a high fend-off a 1 week suspension? Is a high tackle a 1 week suspension?

I think the simplest approach is for intentional acts to be deemed a suspension in all cases, with the impact then used to determine number of weeks. Incidental/football acts should only ever be a fine, but start them at $5k if you want to make them a greater deterrant.

I should have detailed my thoughts

I would change careless to accidental. Where the majority of the penalties being fines.

International acts I see as having another option and not taking it.

Kosi had the options of a smother or even a late tackle, but chose the third option of a high bump, which hit the head, directly or indirectly. That to me should be a 3 week base penalty

Harry had to option of a late tackle, but chose to lead with a forearm/s. To me that's a week

In terms of force, that is almost impossible to have consistency, as it will always be opinion based.

The only way to gain greater consistency is using sensors strapped to a player's head, ( NFL use them in helmets) which I can't see happening anytime soon.

 

[Mondyboy]

I should have detailed my thoughts

I would change careless to accidental. Where the majority of the penalties being fines.

International acts I see as having another option and not taking it.

Kosi had the options of a smother or even a late tackle, but chose the third option of a high bump, which hit the head, directly or indirectly. That to me should be a 3 week base penalty

Harry had to option of a late tackle, but chose to lead with a forearm/s. To me that's a week

In terms of force, that is almost impossible to have consistency, as it will always be opinion based.

The only way to gain greater consistency is using sensors strapped to a player's head, ( NFL use them in helmets) which I can't see happening anytime soon.

That’s great. But it’s not actually how the MRO works. The decision, as per their rules, is wrong.


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[Markyd]

Tribunal in cooked, Harry got punched in the F N head with a clenched fist and Cerra nearly lost a eye. Incident was not reportable, high contact free kick paid move on.

 

[Arr0w]

I think you’re wrong. It should have been deemed as low not medium. Sheezel got up
30 seconds later and was at the next contest. If that’s not low contact then I’m not sure what is.


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Too hard to get consistency as there are a variety of outcomes

I could bump you with the same force, same spot 10 times. 5 times you jump straight up, 3 times you get concussion, 2 times concussion and a facial break

The base penalty has to be higher to reduce the acts occurring, loading added depending on outcome

 

[Revenant1965]

By a dart board throw.

 

[Carlton06]

High contact. Medium impact. 1 week?