What can the medical team do about mostly impact injuries?
Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition
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Our injury list ahead of the Derby:
Naitanui (Achilles) TBC
Williams (Spleen) 6-7 weeks
Jamieson (ankle) 1-2 weeks
Burgiel (hammy) 1 week
Culley (shoulder) test - played that weekend
Yeo (calf) test - didn’t
Rotham (arm) test - played
Plus Baker in the mystery spot
So when the footy kicked off that weekend we had 38 of our 44 man list available.
Three weeks later we’ve seen:
Shuey (hammy)
McGovern (hammy)
Ryan (hammy)
Cripps (ankle)
Chesser (knee)
Witherden (concussion) - back playing
Sheed (throat)
H.Edwards (ankle)
Cole (ankle)
H.Edwards again (wrist)
Winder (knee)
Hewett (ankle)
Yeo (groin)
B.Williams (hammy?)
Burgiel (another hammy)
Hurn (managed)
Ginbey (needs to be managed)
That’s a bad injury run for one half of a season. In a three-week period it’s catastrophic.
You can’t chalk it all up to luck. No one club can possibly be that unlucky in that short space of time.
Naitanui (Achilles) TBC
Williams (Spleen) 6-7 weeks
Jamieson (ankle) 1-2 weeks
Burgiel (hammy) 1 week
Culley (shoulder) test - played that weekend
Yeo (calf) test - didn’t
Rotham (arm) test - played
Plus Baker in the mystery spot
So when the footy kicked off that weekend we had 38 of our 44 man list available.
Three weeks later we’ve seen:
Shuey (hammy)
McGovern (hammy)
Ryan (hammy)
Cripps (ankle)
Chesser (knee)
Witherden (concussion) - back playing
Sheed (throat)
H.Edwards (ankle)
Cole (ankle)
H.Edwards again (wrist)
Winder (knee)
Hewett (ankle)
Yeo (groin)
B.Williams (hammy?)
Burgiel (another hammy)
Hurn (managed)
Ginbey (needs to be managed)
That’s a bad injury run for one half of a season. In a three-week period it’s catastrophic.
You can’t chalk it all up to luck. No one club can possibly be that unlucky in that short space of time.
IMO:
Shuey (hammy) - Cooked
McGovern (hammy) - Should've been rested after reporting twinge in hammy during training. -1 for S&C team
Ryan (hammy) - Fluke injury after landing on his head
Cripps (ankle) - Unlucky
Chesser (knee) - Unlucky
Witherden (concussion) - back playing - Unlucky
Sheed (throat) - How?!
H.Edwards (ankle) - Unlucky.
Cole (ankle) - Unlucky? Not sure about this one but not the same injury as last year, apparently.
H.Edwards again (wrist) - very unlucky
Winder (knee) - Impact? No idea about this one
Hewett (ankle) - First minute of game, ankle stepped on. Unlucky
Yeo (groin) - Bad management. They already were holding him out of the middle due to potential for injury, why put him in there in a drubbing? -1 S&C
B.Williams (hammy?) - Been a lone hand carrying the ruck load and reported soreness a couple of weeks ago. Brave to play but he's due a rest anyway. Unsure on this one.
Burgiel (another hammy) - Probably an overload in game time due to only 2 on the bench in the WAFL game. Not sure what more could've been done for him, didn't watch the game but here is context.
Hurn (managed) - Old man, needed a rest
Ginbey (needs to be managed) - Supposedly being managed during the week and subbed out on the weekend. Due to the lighter load he'll hopefully be refreshed for this weekend. Don't believe there's any reported injury concerns but it is the WCE so who knows? One to watch.
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Use that link to a discussion this morning with Gavin Bell on Duffield’s SEN show
Injuries are discussed but unfortunately Bell doesn’t go into great detail about specific players and is rather vague, some might say evasive
Whether that’s because he’s waiting on scans/assessment to be completed and is unsure of severity yet or just being secretive I don’t know. People can make up their own mind
His explanation for the injury run, that a run of collision injuries initially has had a domino effect of sorts putting pressure on players with loadings etc creating soft tissue injuries, has some merit. I’m not sure that’s fully explains the problem but it’s a factor imo
There’s other discussion there around WAFL but in all honesty if you’re unhappy with the club now, you’re not going to be any happier after listening to it
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In the off season we should put everyone under the knife and insert metal throughout their wrist, knee and ankle joints to ensure continued stability of the players while they play and guarantee no injuries.
Show me where that's illegal ...
Show me where that's illegal ...
In the off season we should put everyone under the knife and insert metal throughout their wrist, knee and ankle joints to ensure continued stability of the players while they play and guarantee no injuries.
Show me where that's illegal ...
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Why is 30 too old?
Shuey, Gov and Yeo should all have years left of their career but they are being ruined by injuries.
Plenty of 29-32 year olds still playing good footy. Just look at Danger he's 33 had hammy issues in the past, is a crash and bash player with explosive speed and is still out running 20 year olds.
Looking at individuals you can always justify the circumstances but looked at as a group or pattern maybe we have an issue.
Maybe its in the recovery process after games as we seem to be getting training injuries atm as well. Or could be in the rehabbing of prior injuries or in the conditioning of the body to not break down, but in my personal opinion there are too many injuries over a short period of time for there not to be something wrong.
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Reckon just ride out another 1-2win year then we can read about how great everyone looks training over summer.
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I see this injury crisis a blessing in disguise because based on what I've saw against GWS who are another bottom 4 side and at times throughout the season, if we had our list fit and firing throughout the year then I think we would've been in that 8th to 10th range. It puts the team in no mans land of being too good to bottom out but not good enough to contend, if that happens then the club will suffer years of mediocrity like Freo and St Kilda. The club really needs top draft picks in the 2023 and 2024 drafts to be able to contend again.
The club seriously needs to find the root cause of those injuries and the medical team seriously needs to be reviewed ASAP. No good having top picks getting chronically injured. Also the training grounds and playing surface at Optus also needs to be seriously reviewed since it maybe the root cause of those injuries. Heck even Freo have their shares of lower leg injuries as well in the past (they seem to be doing well this year with injuries). It just feels like the club is using the same soil from the WACA pitch (Hardest pitch in the world in terms of hardness) to create those hard training surface on both MRP and Optus. The WAFC needs to seriously soften the training grounds at MRP and at Optus to reduces potential for lower leg injuries. Softening up the surfaces will greatly reduce the chances of chronic injuries to new players and to our veteran players.
Failure to find the root cause of those injuries will result in the club finishing bottom for a long time as top draft picks won't be able to develop properly due to chronic injuries and senior players won't be on the field to guide them and provide much needed leadership.
Getting rid of senior players is NOT the answer. They maybe chronically injured but they will be very important in leading newer players in the rebuild. The club is much better off getting rid of players who aren't up to it or are well and truly cooked. The root cause needs to be solved ASAP.
The club seriously needs to find the root cause of those injuries and the medical team seriously needs to be reviewed ASAP. No good having top picks getting chronically injured. Also the training grounds and playing surface at Optus also needs to be seriously reviewed since it maybe the root cause of those injuries. Heck even Freo have their shares of lower leg injuries as well in the past (they seem to be doing well this year with injuries). It just feels like the club is using the same soil from the WACA pitch (Hardest pitch in the world in terms of hardness) to create those hard training surface on both MRP and Optus. The WAFC needs to seriously soften the training grounds at MRP and at Optus to reduces potential for lower leg injuries. Softening up the surfaces will greatly reduce the chances of chronic injuries to new players and to our veteran players.
Failure to find the root cause of those injuries will result in the club finishing bottom for a long time as top draft picks won't be able to develop properly due to chronic injuries and senior players won't be on the field to guide them and provide much needed leadership.
Getting rid of senior players is NOT the answer. They maybe chronically injured but they will be very important in leading newer players in the rebuild. The club is much better off getting rid of players who aren't up to it or are well and truly cooked. The root cause needs to be solved ASAP.
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This^. Bell insists there are more impact injuries than last year but it's like the players are on the precipice of injury and once the workloads increase its inevitable.
Otherwise some good outcomes from the last two years. Games into kids while senior guys are still around to coach them, plus they'll come back and give them some relief from the full workload.
Better draft picks this year on top of what we've already got. Plus good picks in 24 and 25 to come.
Plus some better signs on-field than last year, tactically we look more dangerous across the ground even if we are getting smashed at stoppages atm.
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Otherwise some good outcomes from the last two years. Games into kids while senior guys are still around to coach them, plus they'll come back and give them some relief from the full workload.
Better draft picks this year on top of what we've already got. Plus good picks in 24 and 25 to come.
Plus some better signs on-field than last year, tactically we look more dangerous across the ground even if we are getting smashed at stoppages atm.
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Is there an actual job for AFL playing surfaces similar to cricket groundskeeper?
Would be nice to have a rating system similar to race days at the track. Give teams the ability to select right boots and studs.
The club can keep claiming this is all due to bad luck but surely prospective draftees, their parents and player managers will be starting to question the club’s capabilities regarding fitness and health.
Another thing not mentioned is leadership. With Shuey & Gov out it has allowed us to see what Barrass is like as a captain ( would be my choice going forward). Also it means Duggan & Allen can also step it up and be the new leaders going forward.
So far we have managed to get games into these young players over 2022/23:
Williams - 31
Hough - 17
Ledwards - 13
Bazzo - 9
Culley - 6
Long - 5
Ginbey - 5
Chesser - 3
Hewett - 3
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In the off season we should put everyone under the knife and insert metal throughout their wrist, knee and ankle joints to ensure continued stability of the players while they play and guarantee no injuries.
Show me where that's illegal ...
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Nothing unless it's a recurrence of a previous injury (Cole - leads me to believe not rehabbed correctly) but the following players are not affected by this:
1. Naitanui
2. Shuey
3. McGovern
4. Yeo
5. Ryan
6. Williams
7. Burgiel
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Slim pickings ... you've made me a bit depressed.
Ginbey into the leadership group in 2024/2025 then skipper 2025/26.
Naitanui and Shuey are cooked, ditto Yeo.
McGovern shouldn't have played after reporting hamstring tightness during the week, I agree.
Cole's injury isn't the same one.
Ryan got his injury when he strained his hammy after landing on his head, not much S&C can do there.
Williams has been shouldering the load himself for weeks. Not really conditioned for it.
Burgiel would've played extra WAFL minutes due to injuries to WAFL Hewett & Creasy, thus increasing his load beyond what was desired.
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If they are cooked why are they still on the list? Either way you slice it it's incompetent club management
How can you be sure Cole's injury isn't the same or incorrectly rehabbing his previous injury has lead to this injury? It's an ankle injury too right?
Ryan may not have been injured if he had better conditioned hamstrings, it is not possible for us to know this.
Williams maybe had too much on his shoulders but that's what pre season is for isn't it? He is not 18 anymore.
Burgiel I understand he's a young guy and if he pushed himself too much it means injury
Are there significant clusters of injuries to both sides playing WAFL games at MRP? Maybe it's not the outdoor surface but the indoor surface 
We never had issues training on basketball courts and sharing community ovals in the pre-seasons gone by.
Cumulative stress and strain playing on hard surfaces, players carrying niggles so running with unnatural gait, jumping/landing unnaturally = "impact/collision" injuries?
We never had issues training on basketball courts and sharing community ovals in the pre-seasons gone by.
Cumulative stress and strain playing on hard surfaces, players carrying niggles so running with unnatural gait, jumping/landing unnaturally = "impact/collision" injuries?
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FWIW, when asked by Duffield about the root cause of the injuries, Bell said they weren’t just accepting it’s down to bad luck and they go through each player’s injury and what was done in the lead up.
So in fairness, it’s not really the club saying it’s bad luck but posters like myself and I’m not getting much support for that opinion
As for prospective draftees and player managers questioning the clubs S&C it has no impact on draftees as they don’t get a choice.
However, there’s a possibility we have players asking to be traded if they feel they haven’t been looked after and/or players deciding not to come to the club via trade/FA due to concerns around our fitness issues.
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Spend the money on getting someone like that Burgess guy.
Every team he goes to looks amazingly fit and it shows in their footy (don't reckon he's been part of a flag team though .. may be wrong)
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Probably would've given Shuey & NN one more year. Shuey's injury isn't even that bad, apparently. Played most games last year so going on one more year was fine. Giving NN 2 more years, considering his injury history, was very questionable, however.
Isn't Yeo still under contract?
Club's already stated the Cole injury isn't the same. If it was, he'd be headed for an early retirement, according to Simmo.
Not sure if you even saw how Ryan injured his hamstring but unless he's made of rubber, over-stretching his leg in the fall like that was always going to cause damage. The injury wasn't really a strain, it was very much in the impact category.
Williams is being asked to basically shoulder the ruck load on his own, when the club considers him more of a forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck. Simmo said this a few weeks back in the 'Ask Simmo' show on the website. Also has a history of soft-tissue injuries although the talk is that he's worked hard this pre-season to present in top condition, which he has. Rucking full time is a tough gig for anyone, let alone a young player. 23yo is quite young for a no.1 ruckman, especially one at his age.
We just got Mark Killington from Sydney to head up our S&C program. He's worked with the club before.
Players definitely looked way fitter than the last few seasons but the effects of the program will likely take a couple of seasons to get a full grasp on what it yields.
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If the club considers Williams a 2nd ruck who is only playing 1st ruck due to Naitanui being on the list and not having another ruck, then isn't it the fault of the clubs management for signing Naitanui instead of replacing him with a journeyman ruckman?
Yeo may still be under contract but if his body is shot (I bet he makes a miraculous recovery if he goes to another team) make the tough call and try and trade him.
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