List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Boots73]

So with all the list bashing of our players and a big clean out surely happening at seasons end.
Will the AFL consider giving us a priority pick ,surely they don’t want to see so many 100 point losses ?

 

[Obeanie1]

So with all the list bashing of our players and a big clean out surely happening at seasons end.
Will the AFL consider giving us a priority pick ,surely they don’t want to see so many 100 point losses ?

If anything it will be future picks, a 2nd and a 3rd we must trade for players.

Picks in the draft wont help stopping 100 point floggings next season. Picks that help land say Dev and Sheldrick might.

If we want more picks for this draft the AFL would say split your pick 1 IMO.

 

[Goroyals22]

I know flight risk, I know hammies,

But that was tough watching War Lord on the weekend.

An extractor and high class playmaker that makes others stand tall and inspires them to be drawn into the game.

Under rated big guy the warlord.

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[Royals]

Im hoping, we go more for ready to go immediately type players in the next few drafts (Ginbey types),
over they might play good footy in 3/4-year types.
I Understand Tall guys take longer but let's pass on them and take MIDS, as the current crop are shit.

 

[WCErevival]

Is Buller worth the pick? His WAFL stats look quite mediocre outside of one game.

 

[mattyc75]

If the club finishes last and there's no godfather deals from other teams to trade up then we take Harley Reid and back ourselves to retain him (scroll to the bottom to see how we could possibly retain him).

We also have to make list spaces which shouldn't be hard to do. So players who can go are.

• Hurn (Retire: Thank you for your services to the club champ).
• XON (Delist).
• West R (Delist).
• Clark (Delist).
• Trew R (Delist).
• Winder R (Delist).
• Foley (Delist).
• Petch (Trade). Shows flashes and has great pace but lacks consistency and is injured at constant intervals. We might get a late second rounder at best.
• Gaff (Trade). Unfortunately the game has gone past him as he's too slow, has poor disposal (used to be very good), below average decision making (used to be elite though) and kills all momentum in the new game style. We won't get much for him and we'd have to pay a portion of his salary which isn't that bad considering it's only for one year.

Promote to main list: Jones and Culley.
Demote to rookie list: Jamo and Rotham.

Players who we could trade and some who we shouldn't go for.

• D.Robertson: If he's stuck in 2s or is playing as a sub and as a defensive mid in seniors then we can hopefully use a third round pick on him especially that he's OOC.
• Sheldrick: Not getting much opportunities at the Swans but not sure about him though. Best to walk him to the PSD.
• Brockman: Looks fast and would be perfect for the new game style like what Hunt, JJ and SPS are. Pace is needed for such endeavors. Probably a late second rounder or walk to PSD.
• Georgiades: Do not want. Maybe an upgraded version of Waterman at best but we have enough of his types.
• Sharp: Likely Freo bound but would be nice to have on the wing to complement Hunt or Chesser.
• Mathieson: Do not want. Asides from denying Sandy Hook, as briztoon said. Too much FIGJAM as well.

Anyone of those would be an upgrade on our WAFL standard brigade and will help the Beagles to contend providing the senior list stays fit (not surprising the Beagles was competitive at the pre season matches and even won their matches when we had most players available and before the injury crisis hit us at the Derby and beyond).

Very tempting to retire Shuey and Nic Nat but we also need to address the issues with the surface at MRP, the medical team and the S&C team so the older players can get their bodies right. Vic teams like Geelong and Collingwood have players who are still going strong in their 30s but they do not travel as much as we do which can increase player fatigue with WA based clubs. Which is why us and Freo need to request the league to remove the soft cap for medical, S&C team and other things related to player well being especially with the travel they do unlike Vic teams who hardly have to travel. However next year should be Shuey and Nic's last year, they'll be around to help guide the next generation of draft picks.

We need the older guys like Shuey, Nic Nat, Yeo, Cripps, Ryan, Gov, Darling and Cole to stay in the park next year and help protect our young generations in the rebuild.

We are short in KPDs so I would like to see Barnett and Jamieson fully develop to be our next KPDs in the future since they have the height, reach and pace to play the role. Just need smarts to do so and that will take a while but then the Beagles keep conceding entries at will so that's a good place to start. However we do not have a ruck so both of them has to ruck there for now until hopefully we get Coan Livingston or Mitch Edwards. Key forwards now are taller, agile and jump high such as Kings and McKay.

If the club continues to be uncompetitive then we need to ask for a priority pick especially that we lost two first round draft picks to career ending concussion (Shep and Venables). Probably we may get an end of first round at best but a mid second round at worst or maybe like North's. Also us and Freo and also need to request the league to allow us to match academy players after the first round of the draft in future drafts.

As someone mentioned if the Dees have picks 8-12 (Freo's) and pick 14-18 (their's), plus their future first which will likely be in the teens and a player like JVR then we say no and take Reid.

Hawks maybe, we can ask for picks 2-4 depending where they finish, plus their future first which could be 5-9 since they could be rising up the ladder next year but still not contending. They don't have a second since they traded that away when trading up to get Weddle. They could also give us Brockman and DGB as compensation for not having a second round pick.

You can put a line through the Giants since once they learn Reid doesn't want to leave, they would have no interest in trading up just to get a potential flight risk player (see 2022 why they traded up for Cadman).

North though, we can also ask for 2-4 depending where they finish plus Port's pick and a future first which maybe 3-8 range. Don't think they have any decent players to trade.

If we do get Reid, (GoEaglesGoSGIO inspired me) make sure that the club, BHP and Rio Tinto can get his parents and other family members a high paying job in Perth that pays a lot more than what they were getting at Vic (hopefully it's a job they love). Also we can get Lendi to pay off a significant portion of their new home (as in getting a discount loan but having a full nice mansion) and make payments WITHOUT any interests on top. He's family oriented after all so if we can get his whole family in Perth, I can guarantee he will be invested in the club and the club runs on family, friends and flags. The club has a great retention rate after all and with the great retention rate along with his family moving to Perth, guarantee he will stay.

Who on earth would trade for gaff? Why bother putting it as an option?
Also shuey needs to go.keep him around the club if hes a good mentor but he's already gone on too long

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[mattyc75]

If anything it will be future picks, a 2nd and a 3rd we must trade for players.

Picks in the draft wont help stopping 100 point floggings next season. Picks that help land say Dev and Sheldrick might.

If we want more picks for this draft the AFL would say split your pick 1 IMO.

The AFL is going to tell us to split our pick? Has this ever happened before? Are you just making stuff up?

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[bzparkes]

The AFL is going to tell us to split our pick? Has this ever happened before? Are you just making stuff up?

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I think you misunderstood.

They won't be giving us a PP in the first round, or this draft in general.

They might give us a future second and third, which we will then need to trade for established players this season.

This is what they did with North last year, which allowed them to land Logue.

 

[ziad]

I think you misunderstood.

They won't be giving us a PP in the first round, or this draft in general.

They might give us a future second and third, which we will then need to trade for established players this season.

This is what they did with North last year, which allowed them to land Logue.

Be very careful with such picks.

 

[steve hucka]

We already have a good draft hand,
Take Ried will make an immediate impact !!

 

[mattyc75]

I think you misunderstood.

They won't be giving us a PP in the first round, or this draft in general.

They might give us a future second and third, which we will then need to trade for established players this season.

This is what they did with North last year, which allowed them to land Logue.

He said the afl will tell us to split our pick 1 if we want more picks

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[Deepthroat]

From the Essendon games I've seen Parish appears too similar to Sheed for me, does a very good job at working hard to put himself into the right position to receive the ball from the person who wins it rather than winning actually it himself. Do not want.

Would be more than happy putting Mathieson and Dunstan on the list if we had the space.

Separate to this if we were to take Maric in the MSD, can this list carry all three of Waterman, Maric and Georgiades?

Parish has the best Centre Clearance average in the league.

He is not a "second possession player".

He gets his hands on the contested ball first.

Imagine the ball in the hands of an Eagle first......................

 

[bzparkes]

He said the afl will tell us to split our pick 1 if we want more picks

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No, you've misunderstood.

What he means is the AFL won't give us any PPs this draft. If we want more picks in this draft, then it'll be up to us to split pick 1.

 

[Hook461123]

I hate all the media talk about splitting 1.

I didn’t want to trade 2 and now there’s a clear #1 standout and people want to split it?
I think sometimes we try and get to clever. Yes we need players but we’ve got an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder this year and I don’t think we need to be splitting 1. This draft is meant to deep, so use those later picks to draft to needs but ffs use 1 and 19 on best available talent.
I would love to see Reid in an Eagles jersey next year. Would be awesome.

 

[bzparkes]

I hate all the media talk about splitting 1.

I didn’t want to trade 2 and now there’s a clear #1 standout and people want to split it?
I think sometimes we try and get to clever. Yes we need players but we’ve got an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder this year and I don’t think we need to be splitting 1. This draft is meant to deep, so use those later picks to draft to needs but ffs use 1 and 19 on best available talent.
I would love to see Reid in an Eagles jersey next year. Would be awesome.

They want us to split it because "You just love to see the best players play on the big stage, at the MCG"

Literally all it is to these morons.

 

[Westend]

I hate all the media talk about splitting 1.

I didn’t want to trade 2 and now there’s a clear #1 standout and people want to split it?
I think sometimes we try and get to clever. Yes we need players but we’ve got an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder this year and I don’t think we need to be splitting 1. This draft is meant to deep, so use those later picks to draft to needs but ffs use 1 and 19 on best available talent.
I would love to see Reid in an Eagles jersey next year. Would be awesome.

Yeah I hate it as well all these so called journos telling us what to do ..it gets annoying

I disagree on the draft meant to deep what I have read is that it drops off from 5 onwards...so really 5-19 is basically the same . That's why I am hesitant in splitting the pick...for me if you have a high draft pick you go for the best players available regardless where he is from.

If a player wants to go home in a few years you can get picks for him..its all about good list management

 

[Westend]

They want us to split it because "You just love to see the best players play on the big stage, at the MCG"

Literally all it is to these morons.

and it seriously need to be looked at why have a draft at all...this stupid go home factor which the media/vic clubs love spurting out

might as well just have a draft for vic clubs WA clubs SA clubs NSW clubs and qld clubs only

 

[Hook461123]

Yeah I hate it as well all these so called journos telling us what to do ..it gets annoying

I disagree on the draft meant to deep what I have read is that it drops off from 5 onwards...so really 5-19 is basically the same . That's why I am hesitant in splitting the pick...for me if you have a high draft pick you go for the best players available regardless where he is from.

If a player wants to go home in a few years you can get picks for him..its all about good list management

From what others have said it is meant to be deep as in there’s a good 40/50 players who are pretty good. With some good talls and smalls to fill out a list.

 

[Into The Black]

Dominating against kids is one thing. Doing that against other young men with equally extensive training (Judd) is entirely another.

 

[Hook461123]

Dominating against kids is one thing. Doing that against other young men with equally extensive training (Judd) is entirely another.

Walsh, Rowell, Daicos, Ashcroft all dominated against kids and were the touted best players of their drafts. All guns and Reid has bigger hype than them. Nothings a sure bet but we need one of these calibre players.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

My view of needs
1. Alpha mid
2. Giga chad forward
3. Fast, zippy run all day wingman
4. Stretchy 205+ cm ruckman
5. A forward pocket you’d hate if he wasn’t on our team

 

[Into The Black]

Walsh, Rowell, Daicos, Ashcroft all dominated against kids and were the touted best players of their drafts. All guns and Reid has bigger hype than them. Nothings a sure bet but we need one of these calibre players.

Fair point.

 

[JackOutback]

I hate all the media talk about splitting 1.

I didn’t want to trade 2 and now there’s a clear #1 standout and people want to split it?
I think sometimes we try and get to clever. Yes we need players but we’ve got an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder this year and I don’t think we need to be splitting 1. This draft is meant to deep, so use those later picks to draft to needs but ffs use 1 and 19 on best available talent.
I would love to see Reid in an Eagles jersey next year. Would be awesome.

I think splitting made sense last year given concerns over the top few draftees and our need for more young midfielders. It makes less sense this year, given we have addressed those needs, we just need to ensure that Ginbey, Hewitt and Chesser develop as we hope. Draft Reid, build the midfield around those four with Kelly and Sheed (and hopefully Yeo) providing senior support and we have the makings of something.

 

[shooshka]

I hate all the media talk about splitting 1.

I didn’t want to trade 2 and now there’s a clear #1 standout and people want to split it?
I think sometimes we try and get to clever. Yes we need players but we’ve got an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder this year and I don’t think we need to be splitting 1. This draft is meant to deep, so use those later picks to draft to needs but ffs use 1 and 19 on best available talent.
I would love to see Reid in an Eagles jersey next year. Would be awesome.

Someone earlier said we need quality over quantity, my response is we need both.

The good news is we are set up to get both.

Quality should come in at pick 1/2 & 19. Opportunity with future picks and potentially players to bring in another mid first rounder if we want.

Quantity we need because history says a lot of drafted players in the middle rounds will not make the grade. We have a high number of those on our list.

Opportunity for quantity is both MSD and Ports 2nd onwards in the ND. Take 4-6 players with something that may develop (an elite trait, or ability but no tank, etc). At worst we replace not-up-to-standard AFL players who seemingly have given up putting in maximum effort with similar not up to AFL standard players who have a crack. Best case we find 2-3 players who can play roles in our next tilt.

Not advocating it, but we could turn over half of our list this off-season and probably not lose a whole lot other than experience. The risk of retaining an Xon for example is actually greater for our future than punting on another West or similar.


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[Cuzz09]

Yeah I'm torn between Reid and splitting.

I can think of positives for both.



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