List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[bmaurizio]

The point was that we've recruited ruckmen, ergo the ruck position hasn't been neglected.

The fact that they haven't come on as hoped is the main issue.

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Sure some effort was made to address the issue but with very little success.
Surprised some space wasn’t cleared last trade / draft period to address this deficiency. It was just as glaring during 2022 as it is now.
I’m certain it will be different end season 2023.

 

[Jeremias]

We may look at a ruck if TDK leaves, but if he does stay it would be a complete waste of a list spot.

 

[Coona Blues]

Pretty some argument for Mckercher to add some speed also, we need a few early selections.

McKercher is a spectacular mover and accumulator, but I am seriously concerned about his disposal.

Thinking we can find a mid prospect a little later in proceedings.

Argued early against Watson, but honestly at this stage, I have Watson and Caddy at the top of my list in the 4-8 draft range. So much will depend on the TDK decision.

Also have a lot of regard for key defenders Dan Curtain and Connor O’Sullivan should we wish to invest in that area.

 

[bmaurizio]

My preferences are Duursma, Watson or Lorenz any of these lads would be a great outcome, I like Daniel Curtin for our defense too , but much will depend on list overhaul and the space that’s created come year end.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I hope we hold onto Dow as the mid-burst player, then focus on a fast dynamic forward, FWD/MID like Duursma or Watson.(dunno if Watson plays midfield?)
Caddy looks a bit like a young Charlie(mobile KPF), that's certainly not a knock, but we have a gaping hole for a dangerous medium sized forward who can play midfield cameo's if required.(Cunners, Rozee type)
Wanted Phillipou last year.

 

[Revenant1965]

I hope we hold onto Dow as the mid-burst player, then focus on a fast dynamic forward, FWD/MID like Duursma or Watson.(dunno if Watson plays midfield?)
Caddy looks a bit like a young Charlie(mobile KPF), that's certainly not a knock, but we have a gaping hole for a dangerous medium sized forward who can play midfield cameo's if required.(Cunners, Rozee type)
Wanted Phillipou last year.

If Caddy is somewhere near Charlie, can you imagine a fwd line with Harry, a Charlie near goals, and another Charlie roaming further up field... and if we had a season fit Martin and Cuningham, together with in form Motlop and Durdin....

 

[gbatman]

I think (for the 2 lamb shanks its worth) that our best option as that 3rd big forward is Kemp. Very good pack or lead mark and kicks a nice drop punt. You know that old kick people used to use where you aim at the goal, drop it straight down on your foot and kick straight through it. Ah the good old days.

Yeah but one of Harry or Kemp as you say will have to pinch hit in the ruck and I can't see either of those things happening. Kemp could play the role but whoever takes on the third tall forward role needs to also take on the ruck.

 

[gbatman]

If Caddy is somewhere near Charlie, can you imagine a fwd line with Harry, a Charlie near goals, and another Charlie roaming further up field... and if we had a season fit Martin and Cuningham, together with in form Motlop and Durdin....

Caddy forward, Lemmy CHB, Harry part time ruck?

Hope we haven't missed a trick by not playing Lemmy at CHB at all this season. But if it were to work out that way and those players turned out pretty good that starts to look like a good setup.

The last two seasons of forward line and midfield has functioned well with McKay, DeKoning and Curnow and Pittonet rucking. I think that is a structure that is non-negotiable. Silvagni is not good enough overhead to play that position and not big enough for the ruck.

If we lose DeKoning, the other option is to play Young in that CHF/Ruck role. Lemmy looks a fair way away from senior footy and it's just not Silvagni so it has to be someone else.

 

[katmanblue]

Yeah but one of Harry or Kemp as you say will have to pinch hit in the ruck and I can't see either of those things happening. Kemp could play the role but whoever takes on the third tall forward role needs to also take on the ruck.

Kemp isn't big enough

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[gbatman]

Think the pressure is on to get back into the draft for us. Our first pick should be a good player. But our needs are still pretty hefty.

The problem is we have a round 1 pick then don't have a pick until the two in round 4. For a team looking to clean out the list a little bit I think that our currency is pretty poor.

Who can we trade? Can't have all of Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy on the list. At this stage Cripps looks a required player and Kennedy looks to be ahead of Hewett. What is Hewett going to net us in a trade? He was cheap for a reason, slow, immobile blokes who aren't great kicks are on the outer but he is a big contested ball magnet and every team needs one, just not us. TDK if he finishes the season off well could get us back into the first round. Ruckmen aren't worth high picks but a young developed forward/ruck will be worth a mint. Top end of the first round, that is if he plays more games like he did against the Suns. Don't want to lose him if he nails that role down. By the time a draftee gets there it's going to be too late, takes a lot of developing years usually. O'Brien will be offered for nothing IMO. He's behind 4 others for the wing now IMO with Hollands, Acres, Binns and Docherty being those options. 4th round if we are lucky but likely 5th. Dow I reckon might get us more than expected. I rate him, think we are making a mistake leaving him out. I bet there will be a number of teams out there who rate him as well. 3rd or late second at best. IMO would prefer we keep him and he proves everyone wrong. McGovern IMO is likely to stay, trade wise may be worth a 3rd but he seems to be up and going and settled now. Where is Jack Carroll at? Had hopes for him but it's been a slow season, trade wise he probably has no value. Plowman will be lucky to get picked up, feel his career in the AFL is probably done. Marchbank is probably in the same boat. Fisher IMO will be traded and may get us back into the third round. SOS is a free agent so would not net much.

Looking at our team now, it lacks forwards and forwards who can rotate on the ball. Cuningham and Fogarty gave us a taste of what that brings and it brought a fresher harder running for longer midfield. But their rotations were just small and they can't be relied on.

The team also lacks midfield speed despite recent changes. Pressure and break away speed. I think we can kill two birds with the one stone here and bring in quick mids who can go forward. I'm also hoping we put time into developing Durdin as a forward/mid. Pick 1 probably goes to this sort of player unless we lose DeKoning.

The other thing I am waiting for is a full game from Dow so he can prove himself. I think we are horribly underestimating where he is at now as a player. He was a slow burn but IMO he's there. What he's been doing in the VFL is what a good AFL midfielder would do there. Hewett could not even better Dow's output at the level and he's been getting AFL games. I still think he and Walsh can be two quick break away mids for us and give us pace at the stoppages. But we also need to recruit here as well.

I think we are good for smaller defenders thanks to some trading and finding some gems at lower level.

We have gone from bad to great for wingers.

As bad as we have been, I don't think we are too far off challenging for a top 4 spot, fix the pace issue and that will come.

Key position players are a focus for us as well. Got one last year in Lemmy who is looking a slow burn, still growing into his body. Lose DeKoning and we are once again looking for a forward/ruck. IMO I think we may find ourselves under pressure to keep TDK if he nails that forward ruck role. They take forever to develop and it can be hard to find/get a good one.

I don't know where we are going to get these picks from but we need to make some list changes.

 

[macky99]

Think the pressure is on to get back into the draft for us. Our first pick should be a good player. But our needs are still pretty hefty.

The problem is we have a round 1 pick then don't have a pick until the two in round 4. For a team looking to clean out the list a little bit I think that our currency is pretty poor.

Who can we trade? Can't have all of Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy on the list. At this stage Cripps looks a required player and Kennedy looks to be ahead of Hewett. What is Hewett going to net us in a trade? He was cheap for a reason, slow, immobile blokes who aren't great kicks are on the outer but he is a big contested ball magnet and every team needs one, just not us. TDK if he finishes the season off well could get us back into the first round. Ruckmen aren't worth high picks but a young developed forward/ruck will be worth a mint. Top end of the first round, that is if he plays more games like he did against the Suns. Don't want to lose him if he nails that role down. By the time a draftee gets there it's going to be too late, takes a lot of developing years usually. O'Brien will be offered for nothing IMO. He's behind 4 others for the wing now IMO with Hollands, Acres, Binns and Docherty being those options. 4th round if we are lucky but likely 5th. Dow I reckon might get us more than expected. I rate him, think we are making a mistake leaving him out. I bet there will be a number of teams out there who rate him as well. 3rd or late second at best. IMO would prefer we keep him and he proves everyone wrong. McGovern IMO is likely to stay, trade wise may be worth a 3rd but he seems to be up and going and settled now. Where is Jack Carroll at? Had hopes for him but it's been a slow season, trade wise he probably has no value. Plowman will be lucky to get picked up, feel his career in the AFL is probably done. Marchbank is probably in the same boat. Fisher IMO will be traded and may get us back into the third round. SOS is a free agent so would not net much.

Looking at our team now, it lacks forwards and forwards who can rotate on the ball. Cuningham and Fogarty gave us a taste of what that brings and it brought a fresher harder running for longer midfield. But their rotations were just small and they can't be relied on.

The team also lacks midfield speed despite recent changes. Pressure and break away speed. I think we can kill two birds with the one stone here and bring in quick mids who can go forward. I'm also hoping we put time into developing Durdin as a forward/mid. Pick 1 probably goes to this sort of player unless we lose DeKoning.

The other thing I am waiting for is a full game from Dow so he can prove himself. I think we are horribly underestimating where he is at now as a player. He was a slow burn but IMO he's there. What he's been doing in the VFL is what a good AFL midfielder would do there. Hewett could not even better Dow's output at the level and he's been getting AFL games. I still think he and Walsh can be two quick break away mids for us and give us pace at the stoppages. But we also need to recruit here as well.

I think we are good for smaller defenders thanks to some trading and finding some gems at lower level.

We have gone from bad to great for wingers.

As bad as we have been, I don't think we are too far off challenging for a top 4 spot, fix the pace issue and that will come.

Key position players are a focus for us as well. Got one last year in Lemmy who is looking a slow burn, still growing into his body. Lose DeKoning and we are once again looking for a forward/ruck. IMO I think we may find ourselves under pressure to keep TDK if he nails that forward ruck role. They take forever to develop and it can be hard to find/get a good one.

I don't know where we are going to get these picks from but we need to make some list changes.

lt would seem pretty clear 2024 1st selection would be on table to obtain another early pick, and although l would like to keep TDK it is looking more likely he will go the fact he is still yet to sign, & possible player trades eg Fisher to West Coast look likely options for a stronger draft hand.

 

[Red Bull]

Really hoping we keep TDK.
But, if he leaves :
Young could be developed into a multi faceted role, opening the door for a dip at FA B.McKay.
McKay could partner Weitering as our 2 key defenders with McGovern as the 3rd tall.
At the other end, McKay and Curnow remain our keys with Kemp assuming the role of 3rd tall.
Pittonet is the starting ruckman and does the Lions share of the work there.
Young would start on interchange and operate as support in all 3 sections of the ground as required.
Chop out ruck along with relieving back and forward as rotations require.
Whoever lands TDK parts with a first rounder and I’d be trying to bring our future first rounder forward to this year.
Those 2 first rounders added to our natural first rounder gives us 3 first rounders in this year’s draft to address our needs.
We could assemble something along these lines with the addition of the newly drafted players when ready :

Boyd McKay McGovern
Saad Weitering Williams
Hollands Cripps Binns
Martin Curnow Cuningham
Kemp McKay Motlop/Durdin

Pittonet Cerra Walsh

Docherty Young Kennedy Cowan

Cowan as the 7th defender
Kennedy midfield rotation
Docherty all round utility
Young in his multi faceted support role

 

[gbatman]

lt would seem pretty clear 2024 1st selection would be on table to obtain another early pick, and although l would like to keep TDK it is looking more likely he will go the fact he is still yet to sign, & possible player trades eg Fisher to West Coast look likely options for a stronger draft hand.

TDK would be waiting to sign after playing good footy, not after being in and out of the team. No way we could tell what his plans are. If he was asking for a bigger contract he may well have been told to go out and earn it which he has not done yet.

If I was TDK I would not have signed now either, would be trying to up my game first.

 

[branedotorg]

Strange take.

Acres was a low cost addition to plug a glaring hole in our side.

Lauded by many through the preseason, yet when the team struggles the pitch forks come.

Amazing how for some the grass is always greener on the other side.

He is what he's always been, a good standard AFL player. fluctuates between great and fairly poor week in week out as he did at freo and prior at the saints.

an upgrade on another ex saint in newnes although with newnes he generally delivered a sold c+ game every week rather than ups and downs.

 

[branedotorg]

McKercher is a spectacular mover and accumulator, but I am seriously concerned about his disposal.

Thinking we can find a mid prospect a little later in proceedings.

Argued early against Watson, but honestly at this stage, I have Watson and Caddy at the top of my list in the 4-8 draft range. So much will depend on the TDK decision.

Also have a lot of regard for key defenders Dan Curtain and Connor O’Sullivan should we wish to invest in that area.

Caddy was arguably our best player in the two VFL games i watched, he's the one that makes sense, clear upgrade on silvagni as third tall forward* and can run enough to push back through the field as required.

*unless we go with a ruck forward in TDK

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Caddy was arguably our best player in the two VFL games i watched, he's the one that makes sense, clear upgrade on silvagni as third tall forward* and can run enough to push back through the field as required.

*unless we go with a ruck forward in TDK

Caddy will be very unlikely to get past North and Hawthorn imo. If Sydney finish below us too I think they'd be having a look.

 

[branedotorg]

Caddy will be very unlikely to get past North and Hawthorn imo. If Sydney finish below us too I think they'd be having a look.

as they should, he'd be perfect for hawthorn. north need defenders imo.

 

[reubsblues]

Lmao the shit you read on here
Kemp is a defender he has the ability to become a AA defender to so why would he be put back into our forwardline

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

as they should, he'd be perfect for hawthorn. north need defenders imo.

No defenders will be top 3-4. Curtin likely the earliest at 7-8 which they might attempt to trade back in to but their first pick will be Watson Caddy Mckercher or Duursma.

 

[macky99]

TDK would be waiting to sign after playing good footy, not after being in and out of the team. No way we could tell what his plans are. If he was asking for a bigger contract he may well have been told to go out and earn it which he has not done yet.

If I was TDK I would not have signed now either, would be trying to up my game first.

The longer he does not sign, the more likely he will move, his manager most likely has solid offers from other teams already.
Not sure a few games significantly changes the value of a player.
Most of these deals are already earmarked during the season.

 

[Red Bull]

Atm, Footscray seem like our best bet if we are going to try and attain another first rounder this year in exchange for our future first.
They hold picks 12 and 15 and Austin appears to have had a good trading relationship with the Dog’s in recent times …

 

[Red Bull]

The longer he does not sign, the more likely he will move, his manager most likely has solid offers from other teams already.
Most of these deals are already earmarked during the season.

Yep, these things are thrashed out well before anything becomes public knowledge.
His manager would require a commitment to satisfy Carlton in trade from his new team before publicly nominating them.
Almost all clubs accept this practice with the only notable exception being Dodoro reneging on Dunkley.
Joining all the dots, Geelong would seem to be the odds on favourites and currently hold pick 10.
St.Kilda hold 14 and Sydney 4.
If you want an emerging young ruck/forward with his potential, you have to pay for it !!
Geelong and St.Kilda’s picks are around the mark, Sydney’s pick is to high and makes things more difficult …

 

[Faz 2000]

Random contribution without context:

 

[RAPPA]

If Caddy is somewhere near Charlie, can you imagine a fwd line with Harry, a Charlie near goals, and another Charlie roaming further up field... and if we had a season fit Martin and Cuningham, together with in form Motlop and Durdin....

All of that will probably get us 8 goals a game . Unless the entries going forward are clean and efficient, a star forward line will still struggle with substandard delivery.

 

[RAPPA]

Lmao the s**t you read on here
Kemp is a defender he has the ability to become a AA defender to so why would he be put back into our forwardline

Insanity. The most depressing sight has been our slow moving, vanilla backline. The additions of Kemp and Cincotta have been a breath of fresh air.