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[CursingFijian]

Both instances should've been called out IMO. Simple eye test should suffice.

Clear catch and should've been called as such. If that catch is considered not out because of the rules then the rules need changing.

As for the Bairstow wicket, if Carey deliberately waited after taking possession of the ball before throwing it then it would go against spirit of the game. But he didn't, he took control of the ball and immediately threw it at the stumps, similar to stumpings off spin bowlers. Fair game and Bairstow out of his crease. Either Bairstow waits for the umpires call for the end of the over, or the umpire calls it quicker. Got nothing to do with Carey - caught ball, saw player out of crease, threw at stumps.

Quite funny seeing the reaction though. To me both are clear and obvious decisions.

For me it's all about whether the Batsman was trying to gain advantage by his actions or not. And he clearly wasn't.

Bairstow marks his crease after leaving the ball.



The umpire at the non-striking end is resetting his counter as Bairstow leaves the crease.



The umpire at square leg is also resetting his counter



By the letter of the law it's out, and the English don't really have a leg to stand on when they argue otherwise. It's very sloppy batting from Bairstow, almost lazy, in the same way that Starc's catch was sloppy fielding, almost amateurish.

But, again I would have been very proud of our boys if they had of recalled Bairstow. But they didn't, so the world moves on.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Anyway Feck the cricket , did anyone see what SVG did to the yanks in Nascar yesterday , man he is a gun driver

 

[CursingFijian]

Anyway Feck the cricket , did anyone see what SVG did to the yanks in Nascar yesterday , man he is a gun driver

No we did not. Explain in great detail for mugs like me.

 

[CaptainRisky]

No we did not. Explain in great detail for mugs like me.

First time he sat in a Nascar was last week , first race in one yesterday and beat the Yanks who have been racing them for 50 years , The first driver in 60 years to win at his first race start

 

[CaptainRisky]

First time he sat in a Nascar was last week , first race in one yesterday and beat the Yanks who have been racing them for 50 years , The first driver in 60 years to win at his first race start

'Made me look bad': NASCAR stars react to SVG win

A BIG-TIME clinic. That’s how 2020 NASCAR champion and perennial fan favourite Chase Elliott described Shane van Gisbergen’s demolition of the Cup Series

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[Dard Ball Get]

It's one of life's true pleasures watching a population of the Poms' size woefully underperform in all sports.

Invent modern soccer (a blight of a sport, but alas) - terrible at it.
Cricket - average to terrible
Tennis - Shithouse
Golf - Love Tommy Fleetwood, but shithouse
Olympics overall - average
Rugby - average to garbage

Could go on, but we all know the rest

 

[CaptainRisky]

It's one of life's true pleasures watching a population of the Poms' size woefully underperform in all sports.

Invent modern soccer (a blight of a sport, but alas) - terrible at it.
Cricket - average to terrible
Tennis - Shithouse
Golf - Love Tommy Fleetwood, but shithouse
Olympics overall - average
Rugby - average to garbage

Could go on, but we all know the rest

Thats a bit harsh on Mr Chow

 

[George]

Anyway Feck the cricket , did anyone see what SVG did to the yanks in Nascar yesterday , man he is a gun driver

Nascar, I should've guessed

 

[CaptainRisky]

You are a

 

[phantom13]

For me it's all about whether the Batsman was trying to gain advantage by his actions or not. And he clearly wasn't.

Bairstow marks his crease after leaving the ball.

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The umpire at the non-striking end is resetting his counter as Bairstow leaves the crease.

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The umpire at square leg is also resetting his counter

View attachment 1728804

By the letter of the law it's out, and the English don't really have a leg to stand on when they argue otherwise. It's very sloppy batting from Bairstow, almost lazy, in the same way that Starc's catch was sloppy fielding, almost amateurish.

But, again I would have been very proud of our boys if they had of recalled Bairstow. But they didn't, so the world moves on.

So for clarity, i dont agree with your position on the spirit of the game thing but on the bolded, why is this your line? A batsman who gets clean bowled isnt trying to gain an advantage. A batsman who gets caught isnt. You dont only get out from trying to gain an advantage, you dont even only get out from trying to score. You get out when you contravene the laws or get dismissed within the laws. The spirit of the game stuff is wishy washy at best but the new angle youve got is so completely subjective it removes any sort of reasonable discussion.

I could argue he is trying to get an advantage by pushing the pace of the game along, or getting extra time to discuss with Stokes. I wouldnt because thats silly but its so completely subjective it just doesnt make any sense to me.

 

[StFly]

Sadly short lived, instead of maybe 1hr, double it for back at work, lookit the dedication, aren't I just special....

Hence why I'm now bludging on BF.

 

[CursingFijian]

So for clarity, i dont agree with your position on the spirit of the game thing but on the bolded, why is this your line? A batsman who gets clean bowled isnt trying to gain an advantage. A batsman who gets caught isnt. You dont only get out from trying to gain an advantage, you dont even only get out from trying to score. You get out when you contravene the laws or get dismissed within the laws. The spirit of the game stuff is wishy washy at best but the new angle youve got is so completely subjective it removes any sort of reasonable discussion.

I could argue he is trying to get an advantage by pushing the pace of the game along, or getting extra time to discuss with Stokes. I wouldnt because thats silly but its so completely subjective it just doesnt make any sense to me.

He isn't trying to gain an advantage that allows a run to be scored from that ball, is probably a more accurate account of what I mean.

When a batsman properly marks his crease to me at the end of an over that is sufficient evidence that he is in proper control of his ground for mind. Both umpires had clearly thought play was dead (even if neither called it) because they've both stopped watching play. Khawaja has moved off his slip line like play is dead. Outfielders have started heading to their new positions as if play was dead. It wasn't just Bairstow that though play was dead.

I do understand the other side of the argument, that to the letter of the law Carey's actions are instant, the ball was still live and Bairstow was out of his crease when the ball hit the stumps. Correct adjudication is OUT every day of the week.

Should he have been recalled is where we diverge in our opinion.

 

[Yawkey way]

Posted this in the 2nd Test cricket thread.

The parallel's are there for all to see.

Have watched a lot of British politics and YouTube channels since Brexit.
Brexit has changed the English mentality, they generally believe in feelings over fact, are in denial that Brexit has helped destroy their economy and the delusion that if they 'believe' hard enough everything would be fine.

Feelings over facts.

Seems like the mentality has permeated their nation cricket team. The whole Bazball thing is their sports Brexit, a cult like belief, and by just saying stuff makes it a reality.
It truly is a bit sad that a once great UK has descended so far into denial and delusion.

Since Brexit their mentality is that because they got what they want, to leave the EU, but it has not gone well, the EU is victimising them, with trade and travel and they complain endlessly about restricted travel and red tape destroying trade.

Since Bazball their mentality is that they are the self appointed saviour of test cricket, and beat some minnows. Have come across the world champs and lost the first test.

Their 'feelings' were that they had played 'all the cricket', and 'felt like they won'. Delusion and denial.

Test two, put the opposition in, got all the advantages of the conditions, behind all the way, get beaten to be 2-0.

This doesn't fit with the delusion that Bazball is the saviour. Reality is inconvenient, so the cult has an almighty meltdown and exposes them to universal derision about their blatant hypocrisy on the 'Spirit of Cricket'.

The parallels between the delusion and victimisation of Brexiteers and the delusion and victimisation of the Bazball cultists can not be ignored and is uncanny in their similarity.

Hang on so you’re saying this isn’t true

 

[PoppedCorn]

So the hoohar was about that pic of the catch because the balls touching the ground???


What's the problem?
Its not out, ball touches turf, play on

 

[phantom13]

So the hoohar was about that pic of the catch because the balls touching the ground???


What's the problem?
Its not out, ball touches turf, play on

He had total control of the ball before putting is hand on the turf. He didn’t use the turf to assist with the catch and he didn’t drop it.

It’s (imo) the same thing as the run out. Technically it’s the correct call and depending on your interpretation of “spirit of the game” you can side with the umpires decision or apply your own moral code to whether umpires decide or players decide.

 

[Joffaboy]

For me it's all about whether the Batsman was trying to gain advantage by his actions or not. And he clearly wasn't.

Bairstow marks his crease after leaving the ball.

View attachment 1728802

The umpire at the non-striking end is resetting his counter as Bairstow leaves the crease.

View attachment 1728799

The umpire at square leg is also resetting his counter

View attachment 1728804

By the letter of the law it's out, and the English don't really have a leg to stand on when they argue otherwise. It's very sloppy batting from Bairstow, almost lazy, in the same way that Starc's catch was sloppy fielding, almost amateurish.

But, again I would have been very proud of our boys if they had of recalled Bairstow. But they didn't, so the world moves on.

Where does this 'gain advantage garbage come from? It was a stumping, so you are saying that a player who is stumped because they overbalance and are out of their crease by a centimetre, they should not be out.

Lets just ban stumpings then. FFS.
The facts are from under 10's you are told to stay in the crease until the ball is dead. Bairstow is known as the constant gardiner as h always wonders out of his crease.
Why is it so hard for the apologists for Bairstow to understand that it is his responsibility to stay in his crease.

Gain Advantage Jesus Christ.

Oh and the umpire at the bowler end is grabbing the bowlers hat and the square leg umpire does not call over.

This is absolutely unbelievable, the length people will go to because Bairstow was too stupid to stay in his crease.

 

[Joffaboy]

So the hoohar was about that pic of the catch because the balls touching the ground???


What's the problem?
Its not out, ball touches turf, play on

Totally agree, not out, and Australia accepted the decision. Those 33 extra runs could have won them the game.

Boot on the other foot - Same old England always bleating

 

[Sun Ra]

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[CursingFijian]

Where does this 'gain advantage garbage come from? It was a stumping, so you are saying that a player who is stumped because they overbalance and are out of their crease by a centimetre, they should not be out.

Lets just ban stumpings then. FFS.
The facts are from under 10's you are told to stay in the crease until the ball is dead. Bairstow is known as the constant gardiner as h always wonders out of his crease.
Why is it so hard for the apologists for Bairstow to understand that it is his responsibility to stay in his crease.

Gain Advantage Jesus Christ.

Oh and the umpire at the bowler end is grabbing the bowlers hat and the square leg umpire does not call over.

This is absolutely unbelievable, the length people will go to because Bairstow was too stupid to stay in his crease.

Don't put words in my mouth Joffa, nobody is arguing that stumpings should be banned, and it's silly for you to even suggest it.

If somebody overbalances and gets stumped, he's out. Even if there's a long pause between the wicket keeper gloving it and making the stumping.

Is Bairstow out? Yes.

Is Bairstow stupid? Yes, I mean just look at him.

Should Bairstow have been recalled, it is my humble opinion that yes he should have been.

I'm not trying to convince anybody here, I'm just pointing out how I arrived at my position.

 

[phantom13]

Don't put words in my mouth Joffa, nobody is arguing that stumpings should be banned, and it's silly for you to even suggest it.

If somebody overbalances and gets stumped, he's out. Even if there's a long pause between the wicket keeper gloving it and making the stumping.

Is Bairstow out? Yes.

Is Bairstow stupid? Yes, I mean just look at him.

Should Bairstow have been recalled, it is my humble opinion that yes he should have been.

I'm not trying to convince anybody here, I'm just pointing out how I arrived at my position.

I’m not having a go at you, I don’t agree with you but I understand your point.

Fwiw I actually don’t think it’s a ridiculous suggestion. Some stumpings are a lapse in concentration from the batter that is exploited by the keeper. This one is no different. Plus you did say Bairstow wasn’t trying to pinch a run or gain an advantage, neither is someone who toppled over or doesn’t ground their bat.

 

[Sun Ra]

Don't put words in my mouth Joffa, nobody is arguing that stumpings should be banned, and it's silly for you to even suggest it.

If somebody overbalances and gets stumped, he's out. Even if there's a long pause between the wicket keeper gloving it and making the stumping.

Is Bairstow out? Yes.

Is Bairstow stupid? Yes, I mean just look at him.

Should Bairstow have been recalled, it is my humble opinion that yes he should have been.

I'm not trying to convince anybody here, I'm just pointing out how I arrived at my position.

You have a good heart CF.

 

[George]

He had total control of the ball before putting is hand on the turf. He didn’t use the turf to assist with the catch and he didn’t drop it.

It’s (imo) the same thing as the run out. Technically it’s the correct call and depending on your interpretation of “spirit of the game” you can side with the umpires decision or apply your own moral code to whether umpires decide or players decide.

Should just employ the NFL catch rules

 

[phantom13]

Should just employ the NFL catch rules

****, my brother in law used to send me 5 every Monday and say “pick which one is a catch” I’d almost never get it right.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Where does this 'gain advantage garbage come from? It was a stumping, so you are saying that a player who is stumped because they overbalance and are out of their crease by a centimetre, they should not be out.

Lets just ban stumpings then. FFS.
The facts are from under 10's you are told to stay in the crease until the ball is dead. Bairstow is known as the constant gardiner as h always wonders out of his crease.
Why is it so hard for the apologists for Bairstow to understand that it is his responsibility to stay in his crease.

Gain Advantage Jesus Christ.

Oh and the umpire at the bowler end is grabbing the bowlers hat and the square leg umpire does not call over.

This is absolutely unbelievable, the length people will go to because Bairstow was too stupid to stay in his crease.

I love this sort of stuff.

So lets say the bouncer hits Bairstow in the head, richoches directly to Carey, Bairstow has dropped to the ground just outside of the crease - what should Carey do?

What should Cumins do?

What would you do ?

 

[phantom13]

You have a good heart CF.

Yeh look I second this. I don’t agree with you CF but I respect your position and conviction.