List Mgmt. 2024 List management Discussion

[Mat Mann]

This is solely for list management discussion, Trades discussion goes in the trade thread, and Draft prospect discussion goes in it's relevant thread.

Spoiler: Draft Order

Spoiler: Trade/Draft periods

Free Agency - Friday, October 4 and will run until Friday, October 11.
Trade Period - Monday, October 7 and will run until Wednesday, October 16.
National Draft - Round One - Wednesday, November 20 followed by the remaining rounds of the
National Draft - The rest - Thursday, November 21.
Rookie and Pre-Season Draft - Friday, November 22.

 

[Sully111]

Any elite midfielders on the horizon or are we still pretending we drafted well and should have beaten Carlton… lol bring on the “your bullying the new recruits” logic

Is there anything the club is doing that you're happy with?

 

[ScrappyDo]

I've always assumed he uses the voice texting app on his phone that i do sometimes when I'm driving. All those full stops in mid sentence and weird spelling choices are telltale signs.

That must be it.

 

[Sippa]

NWM this year is the most important resigning I can ever remember the club having

We just must resign him but I have to say I’ll be nervous about it until he makes a decision either way

 

[Joffaboy]

Any elite midfielders on the horizon or are we still pretending we drafted well and should have beaten Carlton… lol bring on the “your bullying the new recruits” logic

 

[Saintos The ITK]

It’s a real shame about Elwood and the others, as well as the Sandy pick but if there are others on the table that we think are better prospects it would be negligent as a club not to take them.
We can never ever gift list spots ever again.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It’s a real shame about Elwood and the others, as well as the Sandy pick but if there are others on the table that we think are better prospects it would be negligent as a club not to take them.
We can never ever gift list spots ever again.

I'm surprised at the outcome but been saying this all along. No point taking those guys on principle if we can get better elsewhere.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It’s a real shame about Elwood and the others, as well as the Sandy pick but if there are others on the table that we think are better prospects it would be negligent as a club not to take them.
We can never ever gift list spots ever again.

This 100%.
You take the best you can get, and if that’s not our NGAs so be it.

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

I'm surprised at the outcome but been saying this all along. No point taking those guys on principle if we can get better elsewhere.

We did not bid on Biggy.
I cannot remember any outrage then.

 

[maanco]

Here's out Out Of Contract (OOC) players, 19 in total at this stage (I can't confirm Jack Carroll, but I assume he's been given 1-2 years).

HOWARD and CORDY: Given the number of defenders we've taken, especially tall defenders, you'd think Dougal and Zaine would be nervous. (I'm assuming Eamonn Armstrong will play defence, given he's written up as a half back in the Irish Press). I would think Cordy will be first out, and Dougal might find himself getting 1 year deals every season until another club offers him more security.

CROUCH and JONES: Crouch seems a likely to be cut at the end of the year, unless his knee makes a miraculous recovery. While Zak was a little lucky to get another year, considering his extensive injury issues.

HEATH and KEELER: I love them both, and I really hope they make it. But drafting Dodson (Heath) and Tauru/Barrat (Keeler) just made them a little more disposable. We can't be carrying two project ruckmen, and 4-5 developing forwards. I'm really hoping both debut this year and start showing AFL qualities.

STOCKER, HALL and BYRNES: Make or break year for both of them I feel. Byrnes needs to show much more consistency. I think Stocker's actually been very good and I'm surprised he's only getting 1 year deals. Hall I can't really comment. Missed a few through injury and didn't really get midfield minutes at Sandy, which I found odd. 2025 will be interesting for him

HASTIE, SCHOENMAKER and McLENNAN: Pressure's on! We just brough in Tauru, Barrat, Travaglia, Armstrong and still have a developing O'Connell, who's getting big wraps. None of these guys are comfortable now. Probably Schoenmaker the most confortable of the lot, as his brilliant kicking elevates him from the pack.

CLARK: I rate Clark. His ability to stand up in tackles and still get a clean disposal away is rare. He was a pretty good HBF in his early years also, so has versatility. The hardest player to predict where he'll be this time next year.

O'CONNELL: I love reading that this guy is pushing Wilson in the running this pre-season, and is impressing track watchers. Was it Goddard saying he's been the most impressive halfway through last season? Raw, but showing plenty it seems.

WANGANEEN-MILERA, OWENS, WINDHAGER, GARCIA: Just give them what they want to stay. Can't afford to lose these guys, given they're the ones driving standards at the club. Seriously impressive guys that you build a successful club around. Buy the land around RSEA and build them mansions. Do what it takes to keep them at the club.

WEBSTER: Much like Membrey, you don't want to see it end, but the end is nigh. I'm hoping Jimmy isn't needed as much this coming season, as the likes of McLennan, Stocker, Hastie, or even Windhager push him out. But I'll always love him for his utterly gratuitous hit on Simpkin in a pre-season game. It made me feel like I was in the 90's again.

OUT: Crouch (retired), Cordy (delisted), Jones (retired), Webster (retired), Howard (traded)
IN: Free Agent (LDU?), F1 pick, F3 pick, Mid-Season pick (Crouch placed on LTI), 1 DFA or PSP.

#	Primary List Player	Contract	Age	Height	Games Prior	Goals Prior	Brownlow Prior
5	Brad Crouch (r)	2025	31yr	185cm	161	56	61
29	Jimmy Webster	2025	31yr	188cm	165	4	0
3	Zak Jones	2025	30yr	183cm	149	36	14
20	Dougal Howard	2025	29yr	199cm	135	15	0
21	Zaine Cordy	2025	28yr	191cm	140	20	0
11	Hunter Clark	2025	26yr	186cm	98	13	0
14	Liam Stocker	2025	25yr	183cm	67	2	0
40	Max Hall (r)	2025	23yr	183cm	0	0	0
13	Ryan Byrnes	2025	23yr	181cm	63	12	0
45	Liam O'Connell (Cat B)	2025	22yr	189cm	0	0	0
42	Max Heath	2025	22yr	204cm	0	0	0
7	Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	2025	22yr	187cm	63	6	12
2	Marcus Windhager	2025	21yr	185cm	52	6	1
10	Mitch Owens	2025	21yr	190cm	53	49	0
41	Angus McLennan (r)	2025	20yr	188cm	2	0	0
27	Arie Schoenmaker	2025	20yr	194cm	4	0	0
17	Isaac Keeler	2025	20yr	198cm	0	0	0
24	Angus Hastie	2025	19yr	190cm	5	1	0
34	Hugo Garcia	2025	19yr	185cm	9	1	0

Our Best 23 2026 based back half would be very low on experience with those proposed delistings.

It would potentially be:

Barrett, Wilkie, Travaglia
Sinclair, Tauru, Wanganeen-Milera

And our depth for KPD would be Caminiti and Keeler whom are both forwards.

I think we would likely give Howard a 1 year extension.

 

[Geezington]

I signed up to be a member when I was like 10, I don't have access to dogfart3438@hotmail.com anymore so it will take a phone call to resolve. And phone calls are really more of a boomer / gen x thing.

My first saints email was skunkfart69@gmail.com signed up as an interstate member about 10 years ago with mums credit card, she wasn’t to happy about it

 

[maanco]

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[Munga]

Can we view our full final list anywhere? Including rookies, height and DOB etc.?

 

[JimmyR20]

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Used this as the starting point for predicting our round 1 best 22.

Backs

Wilkie, Howard, Webster
Milera, Barrat, Sinclair

Ruck
Marshall

Mids
Steele, Macrae, Windhager

Wings
Wood, Hill

Forwards
Phillipou, Owens, Henry
Sharman, King, Higgins

Bench
Clark (m), Byrnes (w), Wilson (HF), Butler (F), Travaglia (Def)


Depth
Garcia, Shoenmakers, Dow, Stocker, Jones, Heath, Keeler, Tauru, Cordy, Collard, Carroll, Hall, Hastie, McClennan, O'Connell, Boxshall, Said, Dodson

 

[BrutThough]

Can we view our full final list anywhere? Including rookies, height and DOB etc.?

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[pebblesofsand]

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Its pretty close.

McLennan has moved from Cat B to the rookie list and we've now added Eammon Armstong (18 and 191 cm) as a 2nd Cat B

 

[Sarcoidevo]

My first saints email was skunkfart69@gmail.com signed up as an interstate member about 10 years ago with mums credit card, she wasn’t to happy about it

So you are the one that took 69 ... I had to settle for 70

 

[The Punter]

Just on Clark, he is who he is at this age. If he is still consistently getting a game next year with his consistently 70% TOG, it means that after three seasons under Lyon, Ross obviously doesn't see his TOG as a problem.

I do know we played a lot better with him in the side last year once he came back.

 

[stavro#4]

Crouch retiring this week according to the article.

 

[Caputo]

I think this might be something to do with the RFA signing of Crouch. The Buddy rule when he signed with the Swans as RFA for 9 years. That his salary needed to count for all the years if he retired.

 

[BrutThough]

I think this might be something to do with the RFA signing of Crouch. The Buddy rule when he signed with the Swans as RFA for 9 years. That his salary needed to count for all the years if he retired.

I hadn't considered that but it would explain a lot.

 

[Munga]

So if Crouch retires, when can we bring in a replacement?

 

[King_Steele]

So if Crouch retires, when can we bring in a replacement?

Has to be Boyd IMO. If Roma goes down we have no mature back up

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Crouch retiring this week according to the article.

Will we bring in a Sandy player now?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Will we bring in a Sandy player now?

Think that idea got the arse

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Is there anything the club is doing that you're happy with?

They nailed the new logo design